The Big & Dandy Beginner Psychedelic Thread

[Jamshyd]

Now that I've tried it, I think DET also makes for a good beginner psychedelic. It has a lot to offer, yet it is still pretty light and neutral and lasts the perfect length of time.

 

[Saucy]

I'm not sure why so many people suggest shrooms. I guess it is because they do not last as long as LSD. Personally, and this seems to be a common opinion, I find shrooms to be pretty anxiety provoking and more confusing and disorienting than most other psychs. It also can have a pretty unpleasant body load IME.

4-aco-dmt on the other hand has all the positives of the mushrooms experience such as short duration (it's even shorter) with none of the negative side effects. It leaves you with a pretty clear head and a good euphoric body buzz with no nausea especially at lower doses of 10-15mg.

+1 on the good advice; I agree with everything you just said. :D

 

[ebola?]

There was another who lauded the curiously rare DET for being surprisingly easy-going, with a short duration. . .forget who.
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This thread is of practical interest to me, as I had a repeating bad trip (induction to ego loss, but not actually getting there...so just a feeling of death, disintegration, and ridiculous time-dilation (60:1 near the psilocybin peak...not exaggerating), but I'm about ready to get on the horse again (having way better tolerated ego blurring on non 5ht2a agonists and following an oddly positive foray with 5meodmt).

Current prioritized list:
1. 2cb - reputation for being clear headed and easy-going.
2. tie between 2c-c and 2c-d
3. 2ci (would near ideal if not for concerns over anxiogenic stimulation)

Low doses of any of these (like in 10-12 mg land for -i or -b).

Sound about right?

Someone claimed to me that ~10 mg 2ce would do the trick, but I'm wary, given its status as a heavy-hitter at medium doses.

ebola

 

[Jamshyd]

^ 2C-E will most definitely NOT do the trick. The last thing you need for trip anxiety is to be smacked by surprising heaviness that you know is going to last at least 10 more (real) hours.

I think the best thing for you is to take a medium dose of alprazolam 20mins before you dose whatever psychedelic you choose.

 

[Raw Evil]

I honestly don't think it matters all that much. We all seem to have taken a different substance for our first psych, and we all turned out fine, didn't we?

As with most things re: psychedelics, it has more to do with experience than substance.

 

[ebola?]

.^^^
er...in the long run, yes. But in the short run, people dislike unpleasant experiences.

2C-E will most definitely NOT do the trick. The last thing you need for trip anxiety is to be smacked by surprising heaviness that you know is going to last at least 10 more (real) hours.

I think the best thing for you is to take a medium dose of alprazolam 20mins before you dose whatever psychedelic you choose

Cool. What I thought. I didn't put too much stock in the 2ce suggestion initially nor now.

 

[cosmic charlie]

2c-e can be a bit heavy on the body at times , it might scare people away from psychedelics

personally I think a small amount of discomfort is not much of a price to pay for a beautiful trip

 

[ebola?]

aye. but why not save the challenges for when one has the experiential tools to surmount them?

 

[49 Osc/Sec]

DXM was my first experience and that was well...unfortunate. I wouldn't suggest a high dosage of that for your first time, or ever, really. But some people do enjoy it. MDMA gave me an idea of what tripping would be like in the future but didn't really do a great job of preparing me for the weird head spaces that other chemicals put you in.

My first truly psychedelic experience was on 3 grams of mushrooms and while it was somewhat intense and scary at first, I quite efficiently melded into the trip by the end of the second hour. I thought it was a pretty decent introduction to both the positive and negative sides of a trip and got me more prepared to try other things. Otherwise I would suggest 1-3 hits of LSD. 1 hit generally only gives me physical and mental stimulation with little to no visuals. 2 hits will make the walls breathe and lights shine brighter with some good CEVs. 3 hits has always been the magic number with me, good OEVs, really deep CEV fractals, lots of social energy as well.

 

[mxrider56]

mushrooms are really cool. i bought 2 g's today of shrooms and i cant wait to eat them! ha

 

[Black]

I would suggest 1-3 hits of LSD.

be careful with suggesting such doses. regional quality of the hits and personal tolerance varies a lot, so 3 hits might be a huge amount (i would lose contact with consensus reality for >10h if i'd take 3 doses of the acid that's in circulation around here). it's always better (especially when inexperienced) to have a disappointing experience with a too low dose than taking more than you can handle and possibly needing many months to recover.

if i'd take myself as a reference i'd recommend taking half a hit for a first trip, but as everyone's different and quality varies a lot a much better recommendation is asking people who had the same material before how much to take (and to be careful with recommendations from people who take psychs very regularly and are therefore more tolerant and much more comfortable with the effects).

 

[helium-4]

I usually recommend for people (with the exception of people who have some emotion issues) to take atleast 2 hits of acid there first time and 3.5 g of mushrooms there first time. Sure it'll throw you out there, but there really is no other way to show someone what tripping is like unless you do that. You can take a hit and feel the effects of acid coming on and feel a strong buzz going but I really wouldn't consider that to be full on tripping.

 

[cosmic charlie]

aye. but why not save the challenges for when one has the experiential tools to surmount them?

thats what was trying to say when i said people might be scared away by it , i think i may have worded my post wrong i would definitely save 2c-e for the more seasoned psychonaut.

 

[psilocybonaut]

I firmly believe that 2C-I is the PERFECT introductory psychedelic. And I'm not counting MDxx. My first "real trip" was 18mg 2C-I, and it was just so enjoyable and recreational, i think it would be very difficult to bad trip on.

 

[polidelaiko]

Last time I took 2C-I I took 18mg and it made me so tense, I hated that trip. Trips in the 6-17 mg range where very enjoyable tho.

 

[Saucy]

Current prioritized list:
1. 2cb - reputation for being clear headed and easy-going.
2. tie between 2c-c and 2c-d
3. 2ci (would near ideal if not for concerns over anxiogenic stimulation)

The potential for anxiety-provoking overstimulation that some have noted with 2C-I is no less an issue with 2C-B. In fact, it seems that most people consider 2C-I to actually be gentler in this respect than 2C-B, although personally I have never found either to have much of a negative body-load. At any rate, both are excellent intro psychedelics IMO.

 

[49 Osc/Sec]

I dunno, personally I'm glad I was knocked off my ass the first few times that I tripped. Granted, the set and setting were perfect. I would NOT suggest taking anything in high doses unless you are 100% sure it's the perfect time and place. I'm extremely picky about where and when I take things. I think that it's better to be introduced to things at higher doses in controlled environments than low doses in another setting. This way you really gain perspective on what psychedelics can do to you and you'll have a better reference point the next time you decide to try. Some people might think "oh yeah, I took a hit of good acid at that show and was fine, I bet I could do two or three next time," and then they could have an overly intense experience that they have no idea is coming.

 

[helium-4]

I'm glad i dove in head first for my first trip. I took 1/8th mushrooms and it was one of the most beautiful trips I ever have had. I had a real rough patch in the middle of it, but it didn't turn me away from psychedelics. It gave me a huge respect and understanding of there powers.

I feel a lot of new trippers don't even understand what it is like to really be tripping, they blow it off as some extra trippy weed, which is certainly not the case.

Also no matter how many low dose trips you have, it'll never truly prepare you for higher doses.

just my 2 cents.


One thing I like about low dose DMT is that it will throw you into a ++ and only last a few minutes, giving people the idea of what a full on psychedelic experience is with out having an extended duration in case the experience isn't something they enjoy.

 

[ebola?]

I would NOT suggest taking anything in high doses unless you are 100% sure it's the perfect time and place.

I don't know how well this will work for people who are never 100% sure of anything.

 

[vortex30]

5g of shrooms my first time. Best psychedelic experience of my life. Had done weed and DXM and codeine prior to it.

One hit of strong acid on two separate occasions has had long-term impacts on me. I'd suggest buying 4-5 hits if its your first time and dosing 1 your first time, not expecting to trip too much necessarily. Then you can gauge if you want your 'real' experience to be 2 or 3 hits or maybe 1 was good enough. Word of mouth from the dealer can be helpful too, but a lot of times they may not know.