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The Big & Dandy Basic Mescaline/Cactus Questions Thread - Round Two!

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hahaha... I can picture you guys stuffing a foot long cactus up your ass with the needles still on it :D
 
Can you do an alcohol extraction on dried San Pedro using rubbing alcohol? I see absolutely no reason why it wouldn't work..

Or is there some reason why it would be better if methanol were used instead?
 
If I cook my cactus down completely into a putty to consume easier/store, will the heating and evaporation process remove or harm the active chemicals?
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If you're doing an alcohol extraction, you just need a fan, no real heat... very low heat if any, as alcohol vapors are flammable.

Another question, I've read a lot of conflicting info on this, but some sources say Trichocereus Peruvianis is more potent than T. pachanoi, some say the converse. I've also read that T. bridgesii is more potent than either... Is there any definitive info on this?
 
I think it would probably depend on the specific specimen from each type since the mescaline content can vary so much (IE one pachanoi may have a higher mescaline content than one peruvianus, but that peruvianus could still have a higher one than a different pachanoi). However my impression is that the general consensus is that very generally speaking Bridgesii are the highest followed by Peruvianus, and then Pachanoi.
 
Mescaline strength???

How strong is Mescaline compared to LSD and Shrooms??? I know they are all different but I have tried Acid and Shrooms but never Mescaline. Are any of the effects similar??
 
do some reading on erowid and the internet. i would help you out but honestly i dont have much experience with mescaline
 
Depends what you mean by stronger.

It's less potent, so you'll need more (mescaline doses being a few hundred mg, compared to LSD ugs.)

They can all flip the universe inside out for a few hours.

I prefer mescaline personally, but the 3 are not all a million miles from each other in terms of effects.
 
LSD: active at as little as 100 micrograms
Shrooms (psilocin/cybin): dose right around 20 miligrams
Mescaline: dose right around 300 miligrams

as far as subjective effect at these doses it really depends on alot of things like set and setting as well as how sensitive you are to the drug's individual effects
 
You'd do best to read as many experience reports as you can. I find mescaline to be gentler and easier to handle than LSD and mushrooms, but not weaker. Just different.
 
stupid question here: if I'm boiling cactus for 4 hours in my kitchen, is it going to stink up the entire kitchen/house? I need to do this without my "housemates" knowing about it :o
 
Would you say that if I were to take a low dose of 20g dried peruvian torch orally would it still be far more likely to cause a 'bad' trip than a normal dose of cannabis or MDMA? Or should I only really be worried about bad trips when the dose exceeds 30g dried cactus material?
 
Bad trips are caused by set and setting more so than dose alone in my experience, AE. From the - admitedly relatively little - that I know, 20-30g of dried cacti won't produce very overwhelming effects anyway. I believe it's more at around 50g+ is when the actual tripping part begins. I could well be wrong though :)
 
I'm only interested in mild effects anyway and so thought 20g would be a good place to start as I don't want to get myself in too deep my first time.
 
^ Either a 70% isopropyl alcohol extraction or I may substitute this alcohol with vodka if that is possible. Is vodka okay to use?

One thing I am unsure about is the therapeutic index of mescaline and how narrow it is. Do the effects suddenly become dramatically more intense within a small increase in dose above a certain point, or do they gradually increase from 20g dried cactus upwards (if that makes any sense)? After I've tried 20g, if I want to be safe but don't want to waste my time how much should I increase the dose for the next time?
 
hmmm. I'd use the highest concentration of alcohol that you can find. Vodka would be too weak, I'd say 70% Iso would be too. My solvent of choice is methanol. It's supposedly the best solvent for retrieving as much of the alkaloids as possible. You can get it in the paint section of most hardware stores, sometimes it's labeled as "Methyl Hydrate", It's always sold 99.9% pure in that form. When using methanol just make sure it's all evaporated from the residue, it's a poison. Just make sure it's all evaporated and you're fine. If you can't find methanol use Isopropanol from the drug store around here you can get 99% Iso or 99% denatured ethanol. Any 3 of those will work fine, just make sure it's well evaporated.

After it's evaporated I scrape up the tar and put it into toilet paper "parachutes" and swallow them that way. Much nicer than having it come in contact with the inside of your mouth and the horrid taste sensation that results from that.
 
^ I can easily get methanol from my local hardware store but I'm worried about toxic adulterants present that might end up in the final product as I've never found any that states it is 99.9% pure (I don't like to make assumptions).

Edit: They sell denatured alcohol in Boots which is pure, so I'll use that.
 
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