Tryptamines The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 5th Blast

[《Plasticity》]

Yeah it turns out I was sent the wrong chem.... no HCl . I'll second what Xork said, the higher quality batches have been white... There's a new batch alright, but I sure as hell don't got it lol. What I've noticed though is that it must only take a small amount of impurity or degredation to cause a significant color/smell change as I've yet to notice any real difference in dose from the pure white batches to the stinky orange ones, though it's hard to say because I haven't had a pure white fb in years... Now would you excuse me while I go cry lol.

 

[Xorkoth]

What chemical was it instead? Do you know?

 

[《Plasticity》]

Haven't a clue.... I was thinking of sending some in a capsule to edata but realized the only other two chemicals that I would even remotely be interested in on that site are 5-EAPB and BK-2c-b and tbh, I wouldn't even pay the money it would cost to send my sample in for those two. I can rule out the BK as it doesn't turn purple/pink in water like other people mention. The vendor says they didn't recieve any new batches and to top it off I read through a PDF that says aMT HCl is only soluble in water 5mg/ml (doesn't sound very soluble so idk if that's right) and this stuff is very souluble. It looks like a tryptamine though so if I had to haphazard a guess it would be 5-MEO-DALT....yeah no thanks lol, I'm still trying to put my other gram of that crap on a stick to use. If it's not -DALT it's probably some stim, I hate stims. I'll just count this as a loss, this was a re-ship to begin with so...

 

[Narcuto]

Hey guys,

Can anyone tell me how much loss of coordination there is with AMT?

I'm used to taking acid on the weekend for extended raving and I like how it enhances my physical abilities and precision of movement.

I have quite a tolerance to psychedelics, had 450 mics of LSZ thursday evening and was not that out of it, visual disturbances were minor and the peak was over around 4 hours after dropping. (They may have lost a bit of potency due to my shitty storage methods though).

I'm going to a rave this evening and just did an allergy test. I was thinking of having quite a large dose (probably between 60 and 100 mgs) with some ginger root to alleviate the nausea. How much would that affect my coordination? Would it do so like alchol or like a dissociative, or is it something completely different? And last question, LSZ on the end: any experiences?

I'll report on my experince next week.

 

[Xorkoth]

There's definitely some loss of coordination, especially as you push the dose higher. However, overall I feel like I can function quite well on AMT. I even used to take it before or during work when I was abusing it.

Have you ever done AMT before? Definitely take 50mg your first time, people react to it very differently. If you must, 60mg is probably not too dangerous but it would be a stupid move to take anything more. 100mg could be overdose territory for some people and you won't know if that's you until you try it at a more reasonable dosage. Anyway, 50mg is quite an enveloping experience, I can't imagine anyone taking 50mg and being underwhelmed. Since you have psychedelic tolerance and tripped Thursday, maybe 60mg would be alright, even so I'd start at 50 personally (even now, I haven't had it for years and I used to take it up to 80mg plenty of times because I dosed it VERY frequently, but even so I'd start back in at 50mg).

I also wouldn't combine anything with it your first try. I dislike alcohol with AMT by the way, I am not sure if you were suggesting combining it or if you were just comparing, but alcohol, for me, dulls the trip and feels very dirty, leading to headaches and discomfort. Weed combines very well though.

 

[ColtDan]

coordination the same as MDMA, on the comeup it can get a bit woozy, almost like low amounts of a dissocative mixed with lot amounts of booze, nothing major just a bit "off"

 

[mintysoul]

Are withdrawals a possible issue with AMT?

 

[psood0nym]

Hey guys,

Can anyone tell me how much loss of coordination there is with AMT?

I'm used to taking acid on the weekend for extended raving and I like how it enhances my physical abilities and precision of movement.

I have quite a tolerance to psychedelics, had 450 mics of LSZ thursday evening and was not that out of it, visual disturbances were minor and the peak was over around 4 hours after dropping. (They may have lost a bit of potency due to my shitty storage methods though).

I'm going to a rave this evening and just did an allergy test. I was thinking of having quite a large dose (probably between 60 and 100 mgs) with some ginger root to alleviate the nausea. How much would that affect my coordination? Would it do so like alchol or like a dissociative, or is it something completely different? And last question, LSZ on the end: any experiences?

I'll report on my experince next week.

Effects on motor coordination are the same as a psychedelic/empathogen combination,which is exactly what aMT is (5HT2a agonist/triple monamine releaser -- though lighter than MDMA or the APBs in the latter respect). I've combined aMT and LSD twice and enjoyed it (and suspect LSZ would be very similar) though didn't find it especially synergistic the way I find LSD/MDMA or aMT with 4-AcO-DMT or DPT. I'm somewhat prone to LSD's vasoconstrictive muscle tension, and aMT heightens that substantially. When I took the combo and just lazed about it was pretty bothersome, but when I took it for a night out and kept the blood flowing it was fine. Any additional stimulants will make it worse yet.

 

[shishigami]

How bad does this stuff actually smell?

I'm considering procuring some since I'm gonna be in the UK but as I'm staying in hostels I don't know if the smell will be an issue or not.

 

[ColtDan]

Doesnt smell that bad. few zip loc bags and itll be fine

 

[isthisincognito]

How bad does this stuff actually smell?

I'm considering procuring some since I'm gonna be in the UK but as I'm staying in hostels I don't know if the smell will be an issue or not.

My freebase barely has a smell, although I don't want to get too close to it to have a sniff

If you were carrying a baggy of it, no one would be able to smell it. If anyone found it, as a legal chemical I wouldn't fret too much.

If you're out and about, and the police find you and think you're a bit out of it. Request an ambulance as the police can do you for public intoxication - but if you leave in an ambulance they won't pursue it. Sad way to go about it, but in my experience that's how it is.

 

[doppelgänger1]

In your experience,what works better versus the bodyload and nausea, DPH/DMH or metoclopramide? Or just take both?

 

[hansimglück]

Damn, this is the second psychedelic compound, after 2cb, that really hooked me.

A friend gave me a 20mg dose 3 years ago, which I ingested intranasal (not such a good idea, but I prefered snorting 2cb, I'm kind of a masochist regarding this route) at a psytrance festival. After 3 hours I started to ingest 4 x 1/2 of a medium dosed blotter (~150µg) and wow, what a blast. After that I've been granted a 4 days lasting afterglow. After that experience I've been constantly searching for a source, which wasn't that easy, because it is illegal in Germany. 2 years later, a friend of mine purchased 1 gramm via *snip* and gave me 0,5g - finally I could do some further tests with this very special compound. Unfortunately after 3 days I had only 100mg left. Yes, unfortunately I am easily addicted to states that let me step out of reality.

Somehow it felt liked the better MDMA to me. Less demanding regarding serotonine depletion, although binging on it isn't a bright idea (on day 3 I wouldn't have survived the paranoia without the help of Clonazepam, faces in every bush, voices from every corner). But that fueled me with the urge to aquire some more.

2 months ago I found a UK based vendor that didn't care about laws (I really hope that it won't get illegal that fast in the UK ), finally I could enter that blissful state of mind again. Not as demanding like LSD or other deep and profound substances, but much calmer and clearer than MDMA, which lost lots of it's magic over the years for me.

Thanks for the people here who gave hints about the benefits of the rectal route. It really eases the comeup. Smoking didn't work for me, as it really made me cough like a COPD patient. I hope I can try different batches in the future as I believe it could be due some impurities.

Anyways, I'm glad that this compound found it's way to us, thanks to the researches. Although it seems to be far from perfect (duration, various effects on a large base of users, MAO-I effects, side effects), but for me it's after LSD my number 2 substance (never tried DMT so far).

Regarding MAO-I activity: I tried it together with LSD, lowdosed MDMA, Methylone, 3MMC and very potent Amphetaminesulfate. Luckily I've never been punished for my somehow stupid experiments. People here stated that the MAO-I activity is, depending on the dosage, not that huge problem, but you should take care. If you know that you're prowne to serotonine syndroms or feel that certain combinations are quite demanding, please do the strictly aMT route.

Btw: Never gone further than 30mg so far, as this dose already rewards me with very intense CEV/OEV effects. Within the next weeks I will try to go up to 40mg, but I guess my maximum dose will be somewhere at 40 - 60mgs, since I'm somewhat sensitive to almost every drug.

Do more aMT!

 

[Xorkoth]

Hey, I removed a reference to a source, as we don't allow that here.

I love AMT too, I abused the shit out of it for a while back in 2006/2007 and it ruined it for me for a while, I got headaches and dysphoria the few times I tried it again after that over a 2 year period. I actually haven't tried it again since 2009, some other things I ruined are good again for me so one day I'll give it another go. It's really great stuff.

You're lucky you get such good effects from so little. For me, even the first time I tried it, 20mg was unpleasant and didn't fully develop. 30mg starts to produce desirable effects, but 40-50mg is where full effects come out. I have taken it up to 75mg with no tolerance (or 100mg with tolerance) and I have never had more than a warm glow and fuzziness to everything in terms of visuals.

 

[hansimglück]

Okay, thanks for the advice, I thought it would still be vague enough, so it wouldn't be sourcing.

Tbh, during the last weekend I really abused it. 4 days in a row, the last day I went on a 40+ hrs binge. I knew that the aftermath would be horrible. And well, it turned out to be horrible, but compared to a 4 day MDMA binge it just feels 'somehow depressed', not those hefty mood swings from 'I feel quite good' to 'damn, why did I start to cry?'.

Regarding visuals: 30mg have almost the same effect like 150µg of LSD, which won't hit me that hard regarding OEVs (whereas 300µg start to become really intense). I hope to get my hands on some 2cb again, because I made some pretty good experiences with 2cb and MDMA (taken together and after coming down from the MDMA, as Shulgin recommends in Phikal). Anyone here who tried both compounds on multiple occasions?`

After recovering from those 4 days binge, in 2-3 weeks, I will take it with a friend, who just tried 10 mgs intranasally aka scratched the surface. He really enjoyed it, but I think he should experience a deeper experience, since he likes psychedelics and MDMA. I think after t+4 hrs we will try a low dose (1.5g) of Psilocybe Atlantis.

What are you're experiences of aMT combined with mushrooms?

 

[Xorkoth]

I haven't combined with mushrooms but I have with 4-AcO-DMT, and they went very well together. Also, 2C-B goes really well with AMT.

I used to take it 4 days in a row periodically, usually it was more like 2-3 days in a row. I once took it 7 days in a row (that led to me realizing I needed to stop taking it). I agree it's FAR gentler than an MDMA binge comedown, but it still sucks. I got intense brain zaps for a few days when I took it 7 days in a row, and sleep paralysis each of those nights, with super intense dreams about the apocalypse or similar that seemed as real as reality, where I tried to convince myself I was dreaming but came to believe it was real. The worst one was this dream where I woke up and my eyeball was dissolving, and then I realized that my life had been a delusion and in fact I was out of my mind insane and had become a huge chore for my parents, and my cats and my friends and my fiance and my whole life didn't actually exist. It went on for a whole day in the dream and I gradually came to accept it as true, I couldn't wake up no matter what and every moment was as real as waking reality. It was one of the most horrific things I've ever gone through.

 

[NiceEnough]

I haven't combined with mushrooms but I have with 4-AcO-DMT, and they went very well together. Also, 2C-B goes really well with AMT.

I used to take it 4 days in a row periodically, usually it was more like 2-3 days in a row. I once took it 7 days in a row (that led to me realizing I needed to stop taking it). I agree it's FAR gentler than an MDMA binge comedown, but it still sucks. I got intense brain zaps for a few days when I took it 7 days in a row, and sleep paralysis each of those nights, with super intense dreams about the apocalypse or similar that seemed as real as reality, where I tried to convince myself I was dreaming but came to believe it was real. The worst one was this dream where I woke up and my eyeball was dissolving, and then I realized that my life had been a delusion and in fact I was out of my mind insane and had become a huge chore for my parents, and my cats and my friends and my fiance and my whole life didn't actually exist. It went on for a whole day in the dream and I gradually came to accept it as true, I couldn't wake up no matter what and every moment was as real as waking reality. It was one of the most horrific things I've ever gone through.

I had some zaps too after a few days consistent use. Now waited a week, plugged 105mg for the first time. My usual does is 140mg oral and that is perfect for me but bear in mind I have quite a lot if experience with tryptamines and have built a fare tolerance with AMT. Still one of my favs for sure. I would say if you have the courage and experience go for bigger doses. Smaller ones don't really show you what this drug can do, at least for me. Here we go!!! ;-) report back soon. Benzos at ready when it's time to sleep. Plan to add whatever dissociative I can get my hand on later on, mxe didn't arrive unfortunately, that would have been perfect.

 

[NiceEnough]

ok, so for me plugging wasn't really that different from oral, except one clear distinction. The trip was significantly less visual. I have never felt nauseous from AMT anyway so never a problem, but all the previous trips of doses up to around 150mg have been really big on visuals as well as euphoria. This time was significantly focused on euphoria and not visuals, and ended up taking about 165mg in all. I know these sound like big doses, but I really do get more out of it when I take these. But I do feel like it might take its toll physically at bit more when I take more, not totally sure. Anyway, still a real fave, amazing to have quite consistent euphoria for 10 hours or so.

 

[Jabberwocky]

aMT will always be an extremely special chemical for me. for me it's like MDMA but it's actually more enjoyable with pretty much no crash, only a nice afterglow. however, i've been looking into its so called MAOI properties and i find their typically quite negligible.... does anyone have the figures on them? for instance i saw somewhere that yohimbe actually is a stronger MAOI than aMT - and it only starts to get dangerous around the 150mg range.. if taken with another substance.

 

[《Plasticity》]

I too think aMT is truely special, my first and favorite (recreational) psychedelic I ever ingested. Definately my favorite triple releaser surpassing even MDA and 6-apdb/6-apb.

There's just something that's so peaceful with aMT, after the rough come-up of course, in some ways reminding me of mescaline. For a drug with such a long duration, it hasn't never left me bored if I dose right. Also, for me, aMT adds incredible depth to music. I love spinning while tripping on aMT, such a great feeling.

The "so called" MAOI activity definately exists, it's not too much weaker than harmaline so it's a stronger MAOI than yohimbine. The paper below is afaik, the most in depth study done aMT's MAOI activity, unfortunately it's really outdated. Tests were done with IV administration.

Graph #163, or should I say the graph on page #163, gives you a good picture of how strong an MAOI aMT is.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1482243/

With that said I've done alot of stupid aMT combinations and never felt on the edge of anything dangerous, though I usually kept dosing low on risky combos. Just be careful, serotonin syndrome doesn't sound pleasant...especially while tripping 8). If you dose mo