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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 5th Blast

Do you get nauseous from AMT?

  • Yes, quite a bit

    Votes: 19 29.7%

  • Yes, but only a little

    Votes: 24 37.5%

  • No

    Votes: 18 28.1%

  • Sometimes / Completely depends on whether it is salt or freebase

    Votes: 3 4.7%
  • Total voters
    64
from what i'm reading from this it's a little non-sense making to me frankly, while i note that MAOI definitely has a role to play in its mechanism of action, but correct me if I'm wrong it's kind of stating that aMT/aET doesn't really do anything on already elevated levels of 5-htp in the brain?? it seems like ADMT(or whatever) is the only one that did.. or didn't? the reports on the page previous seem to conflict a little... surely thats stating that aMT goes about 50% above .... a little confusing to say the slightest

and its effects seem to peak at the 1.5 hour mark or so? i've heard aMT is a long acting MAOI...
 
honestly with no tolerance to the psychedelic world in general, 45mg of amt will have you tripping pretty damn hard. it's beautiful. my first trip on the stuff has made me want to go back there so many times but i can never reach that level again i fear.... it's very visual, happy, MDMA-esque/MDA

i blasted through at 75mg the first time i did it but I'm a bit of a hard head, so speaking from my tripping partners perspective 45mg should get you there nicely
 
Nice. Ive never really gotten that trippy off it, tried around 6 times doses ranging from 40-80mg, closed eye visuals and open eye sharpness but wouldnt really call it properly tripping. 4 hour weird comeup, sometimes when it gets going its either spangly MDMA esque blissful amazing, full on almost orgasmic body rushes seem to get triggered when i close my eyes, or it has uncomfortable electric stimulation and heavy body load. unpredictable stuff and scatty effects, wavey.. got a few 100mg left, not sure if im gonna bother with it again. i find it very similar to 6-APB, infact 6-APB feels like AMT lite or something. used to go raving on 6 every weekend through 2012, not sure if i could rave on 6 though
 
aMT definitely has a place in my my heart as a trippy substance frankly, it really did give me some intense visuals the first time i did it....

its definitely my number 1 on the charts of safety psychedelia. it doesn't invoke many introspective feelings etc... its more comparable to MDA In my opinion
 
Cos its amazing and i love it when people have experienced it. so just thought i'd ask haha
 
@Synthetix: Hmm, I get what your saying... it's been quite a while since I read the study. It does seem that the graph is a bit contradicted by the results. Unfortunately I'm not versed enough in pharmacology to provide any reasoning on the subject. As for the peak concentration at the 1.5h mark, these tests were given via intraperitonially injection (not IV like I previously said) which is second to IV as far as absorbtion goes so I'm not surprised about that. It would be nice to get someone with a greater understanding of pharmacology to look over that study, I'm curious now.

@ColtDan: My preffered dose is 80mgs up the poop shoot, oral roa screws me over for like 2-3h as bodyload goes and with healing ulcers...fuck that lol (who am I kidding, I would still eat aMT if rectal isn't an option ;)). I worked up to this dose from 40mgs btw, 80mgs is certainly not a reccomended dose for first timers. aMT just isn't visual for most for some reason, nowadays I would compare the visuals to a combination of LSD and hints of 2c-i and 5-meo-mipt but very "crisp", maybe at about the potency of 100mcs of L.

Oh boy, my first trip though....was insanely visual. I've spoken about this before but I'll share it again because it was the most beautiful experience of my life. Like I said aMT was my first psych and this was probably about 7 or 8 years ago so I was quite young (and small as well), maybe 14yo? Well I ordered a 50mg sample and didn't have a scale so I took the vendors word for it (Don't do this, it's incredibly stupid and I could've gotten hurt), and was sent into the heaviest trip of my life, and I've taken way too many psychedelics for comfort.

The trip was very DMT like in some ways, especially when I blacked out for like 6 hours (which felt like 10mins) and woke up with very vivid memories of flying over cities made of fractal structures... Imagine flying like superman (in first person view of course) over a huge city, except the city is clay-like and jeweled in an extraordinary way and there were no people. After I woke up a giant portal opened in my room with fully 3D cubes flying out and forming building block like structures that I could walk a full circle around and see all dimensions.

I then proceeded to writhe around in my bed totally getting lost in music, so much euphoria and depth to music that I would hear sounds from DnB tracks that I never heard before. Eventually I was able to function and litterally every object had green neon, jeweled metallic 3D shapes covering the edges of objects. It's hard to explain, but extremely beautiful. The shapes were holographic and very...geometric? I've never had a trip with this much focus on 3D, even the music felt three dimensional.

I was tripping for 22h and even had to go to school the next day still tripping (this was also stupid, don't do this! I was a reckless, dumb 14yo). I went with zero sleep, and saucers for pupils. Everyone knew I was fucked up and I had to tell a couple teachers that I went to the eye doctor and they dilated my pupils with those eyedrops lol, I was still tripping alot more than I expectes. Although I was never able to recreate this trip, my love for aMT sunk real deep. I only wish I knew how much I took, it had to be an absurd amount, but it sure didn't feel dangerous, I would definitely go there again...

I <3 aMT!
 
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Damn, reading that really makes me want to try higher doses. I just cant find the time or place for it these days. Think il try plugging 50mg next time.
 
ya the first time i did amt at 75mg it was beautiful, cannabis was a major addition to the candy of it cigarettes kind of helped too the smoke etc was magical

lots of morphing but fun morphing my friend morphed into a bench depth perception completely lost but all the way through was insanely happy

one problem was i had trouble pissing, not sure if its because i kept get distracted by the visuals or i just genuinely couldn't go but when i did i pissed a rainbow quite honestly the colours were fantastic

everything was just wonderful i love it so much, it seems to be a little addictive though
 
Funny you mention the urinary problems, I just posted about that in the 4-ho-mipt thread. I tend to get urinary retention with all triple releasers, but aMT does seem to cause it a bit more than others. I had a scary encounter mixing aMT w/ 4-ho-met. I've done this combo several times with only an average effect on these urinary issues, but during one trip, I plugged I believe 20-30mgs (it was a while back, can't remember the exact dose) while about 8h into an 80mg rectal aMT trip and within 20-30 minutes I got sharp back pain and alternating bouts of complete urinary retention followed by extreme urination... it was pretty terrifying as I was tripping pretty hard.

Luckily it went away about 3 or 4 hours later and I resumed what was a beautiful trip. I will mention that I've never had anything like this happen on any other aMT combo though, even with other 4-subs which IMO is one of the best classes of psychedelics that synergize with aMT.

I would also have to agree that aMT is quite addictive, probably the most addictive psychedelic IMO. Although I never used it more than 2 days in a row, I used to pull weekend binges with little or no sleep 2x a month, which is basically every other weekend.

During this time, I also found that aMT makes for a fantastic foundation for combinations so these binges usually contained a variety of other psychedelics and other releasers that I shouldn't name for harm reduction purposes. My psychedelic use was potentially at it's peak when I had my second run with aMT. Not proud of any of this, but my overall psychedelic consumption was lowered by quite a bit once I stopped using aMT. It just leaves you feeling so good while tripping and the days after. So yeah, I found aMT quite addictive as well...
 
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I had a serious mental addiction to AMT for almost 2 years in 2006-2007. I used to take a 60mg dose or more (up to 100mg once) more days than not, with plenty of multi-day binges, and I still did other psychedelics too, usually with AMT. I still pretty much always felt great with it and just had a "down" day or two when I wasn't on it (which was all of my days not on it 8)). I did it 7 days in a row once, and that changed things for me (this was after doing it 2-5 times a week for most of that 2 years). I had massive brain zaps and the most horrible depression for 2 days afterwards, and sleep paralysis followed by the most insanely real dreams I've ever had, about the apocalypse and about finding myself trapped in an alternate reality where the circumstances were terrible, and coming to believe it was real because I couldn't wake up, and feeling that horror. Luckily it cleared up after 2 days, but I felt weak, sad, pathetic... took me quite a while to get back to feeling normal. My opiate use increased then too. In 2010 I tried it again, 40mg, and it gave me a fever-like feeling and a massive headache. That happened 2 more times at lower doses, and I haven't tried it since. I'd do some AMT if offered I think, because I'm healthy now, but I just liked it too much I think to have my own, because last time it turned into something that is, in retrospect, pretty scary.
 
yes I've noticed the zaps from amt abuse too, can be a bit frightening almost like coming off an ssri but also zaps down the body... the dreams can be quite vivid and intense too like you've said, takes a while to snap out of it

hell amt acts like a typical antidepressant with psychedelic affects - but don't forget the euphoric it induces
 
It supposably releases more serotonin than MDMA, I'll try and dig up the source.

Ps: I shudder everytime I hear how often you used aMT Xork... there must be something with aMT's MOA that prevents it from absolutely destroying you with daily use like just about every other triple releaser because for your level of abuse, it actually sounds like you got off incredibly easy, not to downplay your comedown though.

Three days of MDMA use for me, would cause serious brain zaps, vomiting on day 2 or 3, sleep paralysis, and earth shattering depression... maybe not quite on your level, but I would imagine it's pretty damn close.

@Synthetix What was your level of use at it's peak?
 
I'm still abusing it frankly, every 2-3 days or so 90mg.... had a period of about 4-5 days where i was experiencing terrible zaps

its kind of gone from psychedelic to anti-depressant almost now
 
Lol 90mgs an anti-depressant dose ;)? Honestly I could easily see myself using around that much if access to aMT wasn't an issue, like for instance if I lived in the UK or something. Cost, legal risk, and amount per session is really what kept my use in check. Also, since I pretty much had to have another chem to get a stronger headspace to turn the experience into an all out multiple day journey at one point, these binges were quite pricey... It was never enough despite being completely ripped to shreds.

I obviously <3 aMT, but honestly it brings out the worst in me, it almost always leads to binges. I've had a few instances of extremely reckless behavior with my initial aMT dose producing all sorts of temptations that leads to a shitstorm. The biggest trainwreck that comes to mind is when I accidentally 80mgs of moxy (more like 100+ mgs in total, counting prior doses) because I was so fucked up on aMT, 6-apb, MXE, 5-meo-dalt, multiple moxy vape sessions before the incident, large amounts of kratom, and the small amount etiz that was supposed to knock me out, which instead compelled me to keep going which then led to me blacking out and waking up with an additional 80mgs of 5-meo-mipt gone... Take out the aMT and that situation would've never happened, I would never be able to truely binge on psychedelics like that without ingesting aMT. Sad thing is this is only one of these types of situations :\.

^ For the readers, this is incredibly stupid... do not do this and think you'll escape relatively unharmed like I did, because if you don't that leaves only two options, a hospital trip or death.

I couldn't find that source, however I did find this study below but it seems to compare it every psychedelic/releaser besides MDMA. Not really of course, but you'll see what I mean.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0014299906013811

a-Metyltryptamine (AMT), a tryptamine derivative, was one of the strongest re-uptake inhibitors and releasers of the three monoamines.
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As well as this thread below which ebola states that aMT is the strongest releaser, though refering to potency I guess. Ebola hints at having access to the full article, perhaps there were some KI values mentioned. I guess this doesn't fully back up the claim, but whatever.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/699877-AMT-binding-amp-MDMA-binding
 
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i know its seriously dangerous what I'm doing... i really lack on the whole long term consequences live for the moment its fucked up and seriously don't recommend it...

the stupidest craziest thing i did was foxy and AL-LAD.... nearly gave me a heart attack
 
For me, anything involving foxy means diarrhea, tachycardia, and tremors for days. I don't vibe well with foxy, I've had a decent time on it once or twice but it's too much bodyload for little reward. 5-meo-mipt is just vastly superior IMO. I like to vape moxy on other psychedelics, it's a pretty great additive. I remember I had a true hallmark moment after vaping 20mgs of moxy (4x 5mg doses 5 mins apart) on a combination of aMT and 6-apb. Again, this combo is contraindicated with aMT so nobody should recreate this behavior. Looking back, man I did some stupid stuff throughout this period :\

Aside from that, MXE/psych combos tends to lead to some... interesting results to say the least. I always feel that MXE feels so much more clearheaded when on psychs, especially aMT, but in reality I'm stumbling around like crazy. You know how people, as a joke, pull a chair your about to sit on from underneath you as you sit down so your ass ends up smacking the floor? Yeah that happens like everytime I try and sit or lay down on these MXE combos due to fucked up depth perception and wobbles.
 
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