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The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

Do you get nauseous from AMT?

  • Yes, quite a bit / unusually so

    Votes: 37 25.0%
  • Yes, but only a little

    Votes: 55 37.2%
  • No

    Votes: 48 32.4%
  • Sometimes / Completely depends on whether it is salt or freebase

    Votes: 8 5.4%

  • Total voters
    148
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AMT dose?

I'm taking AMT tomorrow, and I have a lab grade pure quarter gram. How much should I take and how? I've read the erowid, and I have read experiences, but I'm still trying to be cautious. Also, how does it compare to MDMA? I've heard people say the euphoria and rush is almost on par with it or better. Lastly, does it last shorter when you snort it?
 
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Difficult to say mate. It really affects people differently at different doses. Personally I wouldn't go under 50mg if you are looking for the MDMA type experience. It can get quite visual at that dose but not too intense. But if you want to be cautious then say 35-40mg would be a good bet. Have heard some rather unpleasant stories about under dosing. aMT is quite gentle in terms of psychs but you kind of do need to get a feeling for it.
 
Difficult to say mate. It really affects people differently at different doses. Personally I wouldn't go under 50mg if you are looking for the MDMA type experience. It can get quite visual at that dose but not too intense. But if you want to be cautious then say 35-40mg would be a good bet. Have heard some rather unpleasant stories about under dosing. aMT is quite gentle in terms of psychs but you kind of do need to get a feeling for it.

Yeah I heard that under 50 can make you feel really uncomfortable. On doses over 50, is it still possible to act normal?
 
Hmmm around 50 and I reckon you'd be fine. Higher than that is debatable. Depends on the type of person you are as well. If you can handle social situations well then I'd say you'd be grand. It can and will be distracting on the higher end (from 60-90) but it's still quite gentle. You'll just be waaay more friendly =D. Haven't gone higher to really comment I'm afraid. You'll have a great time man, make sure you don't eat heavy beforehand to avoid a puke fest.
 
The only time you can't really act normal is making decisions/moving out of your comfy position you're sat in ime, it's far too much effort.
 
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I've popped this in the B&D thread for you, there's lots of great info in here. Please make sure you use the search function before posting in the future :)
 
I am going to an event in the near future. On one day I would like to take AMT. The other day I would like to take LSD. I was wondering what order would be best to constitute for cross tolerance. I have about 50mg of AMT and clean WoW LSD at my disposal. My psychedelic tolerance will be near or at baseline prior to this.

Side Note: I won't be drinking, blowing lines, or doing MDMA while on AMT. Due to its MAOI properties.
 
I am going to an event in the near future. On one day I would like to take AMT. The other day I would like to take LSD. I was wondering what order would be best to constitute for cross tolerance. I have about 50mg of AMT and clean WoW LSD at my disposal. My psychedelic tolerance will be near or at baseline prior to this.

Side Note: I won't be drinking, blowing lines, or doing MDMA while on AMT. Due to its MAOI properties.

The AMT should probably be taken the first day because you don't want it's psychedelic effects blocked by LSD tolerance, and I doubt AMT tolerance will have much effect on your tolerance of LSD.

But this is pure speculation by a guy who has never done either of their drugs, just knows a decent amount about their profile and tolerance.
 
I don't know what WoW is, but if you confident that you have real LSD I would advice dose aMT first, because you can just dose more acid to tackle the tolerance without negative side effectds (that I know of), whilst I would be very worried about dosing more aMT to try and combat tolerance, fuck knows what happens at twice the normal dose of aMT in terms of neurotoxicity and acute effects like vasoconstriction and body temperature.
 
I would take the aMT first, too. LSD seems to cause much stronger cross-tolerance to other psychedelics than most other psychedelics. NBOMes are probably the only thing worse in this regard, perhaps the FLY and Dragonfly compounds ...
 
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I just wanted to point out that AMT is a very potent drug, and 30mg is a substantial dose. AMT releases significant quantities of serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine, and also acts as an agonist at I think all 14(?) 5-HT sites/subtypes. But most importantly, regardless of what some of the scarce literature that does exist may claim, and despite the fact that it is reversible, AMT can cause clinically significant inhibition of MAO activity, and acts as a nonselective MAOI. Understanding this is important to begin with when taking AMT, but is critically relevant when combining AMT with any other drug.

The effects of the heroin would've certainly been intensified, and likewise the duration would have increased drastically, though it is not surprising the OP didn't notice this phenomenon, having never used heroin and thereby having no basis of comparison, but mainly due to the psycho stimulatory effects of the AMT. I know almost nothing about MXE, except that it's a dissociative-anaesthetic type drug which in addition to acting as an antagonist at NMDA receptor sites it also inhibits the reuptake of dopamine and serotonin. This also would have potentiated the effects of the heroin, and would've had a highly synergistic effect with the AMT. This was a risky cocktail and could've potentially been quite dangerous. Please be careful when taking any drug while using AMT.
 
I have gone through grams of aMT. Once I did 600mg in 5 days, though you need only one dose per day, I was doing about 110-120mg bombs every morning. The biggest mistake I made probably was, that I got only 4-5 hours sleep every night.

6th day: I was feeling a little bit confused, but could not keep dosing. Nothing unbearable though, but towards the night I could not talk to people anymore, I mean, I was just getting so tired, body wanted to rest.
7th day: I was puking for the whole day. Nothing went in, even water came out. I had a huge motion sickness, I felt okay only when I was laying down and closed my eyes for at least, say, half an hour. Both moving and light triggered my motion sickness, so I could not even watch the TV or keep my eyes opened. I could barely use mobile for more than 5 min, because then I got sick again. I was laying down the whole day, did not eat or drink anything (well I tried, but everything came out instantly). Wouldn't want it even to my enemy,..well, on the second thought...
8th day: I was still sick, motion sickness was still bad, but I could eat and drink now. That gave me an ability to give my body a chance to recover. So I drank and ate as much as I could handle (which wasn't very much, though), just to give my body some necessary vitamins and other supplements. I still kept my eyes closed and tried to sleep. I could now play with my mobile for even as long as 15 min. But oh was I feeling bad...
9th day: Quite okay now. Can walk around, eat, drink, nothing very noticeable.

I still cannot understand where this massive tolerance came from. The first day I was feeling oh, so good. Next day I was feeling still good. For three sequential days I was feeling good, when I was laying on the bed and listening to music, doing faces on my own etc, but talking wasn't as enojoyable anymore. 100mg was like nothing I couldn't handle. Actually, I could handle myself even the first day after 100mg. My friends still enjoyed the stuff and they had done it very many times before also, so it wasn't about the stuff. It was rather about the lack of sleeping and something else... something had to change its effects/mechanism/activity/whatever...

Usually 100mg makes me feel like I would be in paradise. About 2 months before that week I had once tried a bomb containing as much as 175-200mg aMT. I was laughing the whole night with my friend, who had the same sized bomb. We were laughing for like 15 hours like crazy, then for another 3 hours we were tripping like with 60mg or so and then we went to sleep.


What I also wanted to say is, that it seems as if I have developed a medium serotonin syndrome. Not instantly after the week, I do aMT occasionally. Body temperature gets higher in the evenings (37.3C/99.14F or so), then I start feeling good (but hot), like I would have taken about 30mg aMT, then I enjoy myself, I often get euphoria similiar to that empathogen (talkactive, laughing, enjoy doing faces). I also get mild hallucinations (in dark I see noise, flashes, sometimes patterns, lights, little morphed figures, in light I see sometimes some patterns, light waves, changed colors, mostly something turning to pinkish red, sometimes I see floating-sparkling light dots in front of me, very rarely though, but they look very cool, only a fairy is lacking). It may sound good to some people, but who knows where it can lead. Right now it, fortunately, is not disturbing my life. I do not see very realistic hallucinations, or only in the corner of my eye for a second, sometimes, and I can sleep very well, I don't get downs from highs (except I feel a little nauseous every morning, for 10-15 min, then I'm happy again).

But I am doing aMT only like once every 1-2 months, that was just a week of trial I couldn't resist, like with most of the drugs, just to see what happens.
 
What are AMT visuals like? Are they on par with LSD visuals?

Similar at very high doses...less colorful though, IMO. But the general feeling is quite similar :)

Usually 100mg makes me feel like I would be in paradise. About 2 months before that week I had once tried a bomb containing as much as 175-200mg aMT.

Holy shit :D I usually take about 50-60, tried 100 a couple days ago and I already lost absolutely all contact with reality. I can't even imagine what 200mg is like...can't say I'm not curious though :D how would you compare it to 100? I mean what 'new' stuff did you get?
 
Umm... at 100mg I am very connected to the reality. But in the psychedelic part (well, if somebody hasn't noticed, aMT has 2 parts - at first you are very stimulated, in the end it becomes very psychedelic) visuals are very strong, especially in the dark, but I've seen faces morphing even in the light, and not "think to morph", but really morphing. At that 175-200mg dosage..... I was laughing for 15 hours straight and so was my friend. We decided not to go outside, just in case something would happen. When we turned lights off in the room, I saw a whole new room. I mean hallucinations were so strong and real, that though it was dark, I could still see everything, as light would have been just dimmed, it's just, that none of it really existed. We were so fucked up we couldn't understand a thing.

Basically - hallucinations were very very real and we were laughing the whole fucking night so loud his mother got angry and couldn't sleep. Then we were shouting, saying stupid things, singing... I brough a small armchair onto his bed, put tablecloth on my head, pulled my pants to half my legs, was somehow sitting on that armchair, idk... very fucked up :D My friend was chewing his computer desk, he saw dragons from RuneScape and then started fighting them. When I got into the room I saw him chewing his desk and fighting those dragons. I was dancing with his wardrobe and things like that.

Well it was funny, very funny. But I can't imagine how bad it would have been to be alone.

I can somewhat rephrase something from our night:

A: It's like.. and then it's like..
A&B: Laughing for next 5 minutes.
B: It's like.. and then it's like...
A&B: Laughing for next 5 minutes.
A&B: Chatting for a couple of minutes, laughing every 10 seconds.

We went to the toilet together (not to do anything together :D). I was on the toilet pot, he took an interview from somebody. Then when we went back to his room, he called to somebody using a plate and told, that he took that interview and everything is okay now. I was like - what the fuck, and then started having sex with his bed.

Well it's hilarious to resemble, but bad to think, that we were probably very little from overdosing. Luckily we were drinking water all the night, as I always stay hydrated when I'm high and gave that habit to him also.
 
Woooow. That definitely sounds like a whole new experience...might have to try that someday :D
I dunno, at 100mg I was already starting to have fairly strong hallucinations and really did think I was in a completely different world. Also thought I was invincible and actually thought about jumping out the window (I live on the 20th floor...) just to see what happened. It's a cliché but it really did feel like an interesting experiment haha. Luckily wasn't fucked up enough to do it. So if I do end up trying 200mg should probably make sure someone else is there ;)
 
I could not imagine even exceeding 100, but 200! Damn!
85mg floored me more than enough, I could barely move & when walking through dark areas they were just warping and unwalkable. Also the euphoria of 60mg + nitrous was beyond orgasmic, literally would have came. I swear I'd reach an amt-hole before 200mg, where I'm just completely unfunctional and unresponsive for 8 hours
 
We were fully able to walk, though. Well, it depends on how to define fully. We definitely did not walk straight nor very fast, and everytime I tried to sit or stand up, it took me 5 minutes, but when we were already walking we didn't have to stop. But you also have to be careful, as my friend has a high bodyweight and I am quite tolerable to aMT (or empathogens, to say), so if 100mg has been your max, I would recommend working your way up by increasing it by, let's say, 20mg each time. And definitely drink water. If we wouldn't have been sipping water every now and then, I believe we would have been tripping even 2 days later (not that bad, but somewhat). My friend has lost like 23kg/51lbs from his bodyweight and he has to take significantly lower dosages now, though even before he was more sensitive to aMT than I was, so it shows clearly, that if he would lose another, let's say, 23kg/51lbs, that 175-200mg range could be very dangerous to him.

About the invincibility - we have a bad word from Russian we also use in Estonian, but in our language it just means "hell with that" and when we are high we just keep repeating it about everything we should be worried about.

E.g. from one time, when my friend was eating shaving soap, he told me: "Why the fuck was I eating that shaving soap? Ahh, to hell with that..." and so almost about everything.
 
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