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The Big & Dandy ALD-52 Thread

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Img_9999 said:
I bought this to have "reliably dosed acid", but it the dose is still unknown it kind of defies the purpose, he. Still curious as to how this lysergamide will compare to it's parent molecule, seeing as many people reported a "mellower" trip. But I must admit I'm an skeptic, as 1P felt the same as LSD to me.
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I think the only differences in 1P-LSD, LSD and ALD-52 is in the head. People think it's mellower, it is. People think it's stronger, it is.
If there is any difference in the three, since all three are actually just ONE, it is due to the placebo effect, nonstandard doses or maybe the 1P and ALD are heavier enough to make a difference in the amount of LSD after conversion since the MM is going to be greater, but I haven't researched it as it seems fruitless to go to tons of trouble trying to figure this out when, even if one does figure it out, every trip is still different and still the same.
 
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Haven't tried ALD-52 but 1P- was indistinguishable from LSD for me too. I am one more to believe that it is all probably suggestion and beliefs.
It would be very interesting to do some blind test and see if it can be recognized.
Those of you with several compounds and a believe in the difference should try to ask a friend to give you one of them and report back.
Anyway they might still be indistinguishable and different, as some blind test with Coke and Pepsi have shown.
 
I was with a group of around 10 people all on ALD. 3 or so knew it wasnt LSD and the rest assumed it was LSD. The group who knew it was ALD had difficult experiences claiming they didnt feel quite right (anxiety, panicing etc) and the rest went about their trip as if it was just plain old LSD. All people in the group where experienced with LSD.

I do feel that ALD is smoother but im still open to the fact it may be hyped up to be that way with no difference between LSD and ALD.

I think the only way to find out would be to take a higher dose of ALD. Ive went up to 250ug before and it was fairly easy for me to control and have a good time. If I take 200ug plus of LSD I tend to have a far more visually and mentally intense trip.
 
ALD-52 is most definitely different than LSD in some ways that are not just psychological.
LSD consistently causes extreme mania for me even if it's only 30ug-40ug.
ALD-52 never caused mania at any dose whatsoever.
They are different.
 
In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true is true or becomes true, within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended.
John Cunningham Lilly
 
sean107 said:
Yeah well I've also done double blind tests with friends using ALD-52 & LSD. They also noted differences with ALD-52 and LSD.
They are different.
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Well Sean, I'd be open to the Idea that it might be like 4-ACO-DMT being converted into 4-HO-DMT, which most of it is, but not all and that gives it a distinctly different buzz. Besides my experience with ALD-52 is nonexistent, so I am open to the idea that maybe ALD-52 has some of it's own characteristics that follow it, unchanged, to the brain.
As for 1-P vs LSD, I can't tell the difference and I've taken it many times.
 
Exactly. I've done mountains of 4-AcO-DMT, magic mushrooms (and LSD) but I've always found that although 4-AcO-DMT and mushrooms are very similar yet they also have quite distinct differences. All the friends that I have who have tried both say the same thing as well.
As for 1P-LSD, I can't compare. I've never tried it and if it's really just the same as LSD then it doesn't particularly interest me.
 
Kaleida said:
The brief blackout as it's really hitting that you've described is also pretty consistent with my overly powerful LSD trips. The psychological effects always hit me really hard for the first few hours, and then it smooths out to be very down to earth and euphoric for two or three times as long after that, and if the dose is strong enough then the beginning will involve blackouts and/or some extremely novel states of consciousness similar to what you've described, and the rest will be more focused on reintegrating into myself and the rest of reality. A temporary loss of memory of my life leading up to the experience is also quite common, even when there is no blackout.

It is likely that things will still feel unreal for you for a little while; these kinds of experiences can take some time to work themselves out, regardless of whether they're positive or negative overall, and especially when you're new to them. Trust me though when I say that it will pass, and this trip will become just a distant memory like any other. Time has a way of doing that, no matter how intense any life experience seems in the moment.

In the meantime, though it may seem difficult, I would just try to be grateful that your first experience with such an intense trip ultimately went quite smoothly, in the sense that you didn't hurt yourself or do anything too crazy, and try to appreciate it for what it was. These drugs are not toys and they really need to be respected, as I'm sure you understand now more than ever.
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You really have all the answers man, I'm quite relieved that others experience these blackouts, cause that was what freaked me out the most.
Even though I just wanted to have a good time with my friends, this trip truly changed my mindset. I've always been kind of shy and a bit sad, but after this experience I realized there's no need for that
-life is beautiful. I went outside today and spoke with random people, in the park and in a line in the grocery store, this might sound like regular behavior, but the "normal" me would never do this.
I even talked a lot with my sister, our relationship hasn't always been the best, but we talked more than we've done in years. I feel happier and more outgoing.
I've even stopped smoking cigarettes, this was not my goal while going into this experience, I just have no desire to smoke anymore.
But yes, I'm feeling a bit lucky I didn't hurt myself or anything, things could have gone real bad. I have so much more respect for this substance now. This is not something to mess around with, or take just to have a good time. I will take a long break from psychedelics.
Thank you.

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this is what happens when the dose is too high for the person
initially sensation becomes richer, impulses last longer and overlap,
then entire moments or events layer up in a stack of timeless time (what you had "audio echoing hardcore")
then the stack of moments becomes too deep and you blackout or white out and become delerious.


slightly less psychedelic effect is just rich and maybe echoing, in this case you crossed the line to amnesia which fortunately with lysergics is not harmful just scary.
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Yeah I'm positive I took too much this time :p
I have experience audio enhancement and echoing before, but not anywhere near like this. It feels great to have someone explain this to me. Thank you.
I should mention that my friend who took 100ug had a terrible experience, maybe even worse than me. The reason for that might be that he also smoked cannabis(which I didn't), I shouldn't had let him, but the state I was in I almost forgot what drugs even were.
Anyways, he looked like a corpse almost(my visuals might have exaggerated this) he was really pale, he was really dark under his eyes, he was shaking like a cold dog. I felt really bad for the guy.
He kept saying 'turn the music off' even though the only sounds were from us talking, so he decided to go to bed. We tried to help him out for ~1h, but he refused to listen to us and went to sleep(how that no was possible).
The next day he remembers nothing about tripping that hard, which I guess is a good thing.
 
Anyone combined ALD with LSD? My two experiments with ALD were fantastic, I feel like it would synergize well with L.
 
mahk said:
You really have all the answers man, I'm quite relieved that others experience these blackouts, cause that was what freaked me out the most.
Even though I just wanted to have a good time with my friends, this trip truly changed my mindset. I've always been kind of shy and a bit sad, but after this experience I realized there's no need for that
-life is beautiful. I went outside today and spoke with random people, in the park and in a line in the grocery store, this might sound like regular behavior, but the "normal" me would never do this.
I even talked a lot with my sister, our relationship hasn't always been the best, but we talked more than we've done in years. I feel happier and more outgoing.
I've even stopped smoking cigarettes, this was not my goal while going into this experience, I just have no desire to smoke anymore.
But yes, I'm feeling a bit lucky I didn't hurt myself or anything, things could have gone real bad. I have so much more respect for this substance now. This is not something to mess around with, or take just to have a good time. I will take a long break from psychedelics.
Thank you.
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That is wonderful, I am truly happy that you were able to get so much good out of it. :) Yes, I have seen some people really changed after their first powerful LSD trip.... Some people may feel more lost than others at first depending on how they lived beforehand, but I think most come to think of it as a positive experience they wouldn't take back once it all sinks in. It will definitely open up your mind to parts of reality you hadn't noticed before though, especially in relation to your own behaviors as you say, so you can understand why being able to handle those kinds of truths is so important to being able to make something out of it....

Anyway, you're very welcome and I hope your forward momentum continues to grow for a long time to come. :D
 
Well, I tried the blotters and they felt ... strong enough haha. Can't be sure yet if they are dosed evenly but I feel happy with whatever dosage is contained in the narrower blotters anyway. A single one gave me a fairly strong trip. It was wonderful.

On a side note, and to keep the endless debate stretching further, it felt almost exactly the same as any trip I've had with LSD or 1P-LSD before. Whatever differences I perceived are equivalent to the differences between trips using the same substance (Attributable to set/setting and randomness). After the peak the plateau seemed longer that usual, but I've had that happen on regular LSD before. Sleep was hard after 11 hours, as residual stimulation and faint CEV were still present, but I managed to sleep using 0.5 mg of etizolam. Some people had reported "no fried feeling the next day", but I felt pretty mentally exhausted yesterday after my trip, and still feel a little bit tired and groggy, but maybe the real culprit is the fact that I was hiking and doing lots of physical activity during this past weekend. So in my experience, this is the same as LSD. Which for a grey-area RC, and in a country where street tabs are most likely NBOMe like mine, it's pretty fucking great (:
 
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sean107 said:
Yeah well I've also done double blind tests with friends using ALD-52 & LSD. They also noted differences with ALD-52 and LSD.
They are different.
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Hi Sean107. I'm very curious about all this stuff as are many posters on this thread. Double-blind testing is at least a reasonably reliable way of getting to grips with the enigma. Despite the fact that no one can compare the content of their trip with others the double-blind test might help to pin down differences in the realms of one's own experiences.

Can you detail your double-blind testing? I'm not sure if I'm reading your post correctly. Did you and your friends take the lysergamides without knowing which lysergamide it was? if so then who knew which was which? Alternatively, if you took them and your friends knew, then it wouldn't be double-blind - and in fact if they were present (tripping or otherwise) their reactions to you, knowing which one you had taken, could have compromised the blinded-ness. What I mean here is that their expectations/knowingness may have subtly influenced their behaviour in a way that changed your behaviour. Messy business trying to do comparisons in this field =D
 
Am not sure I like ALD52.
If you go from the "deepest" to the "shalowest" lysergamide, you got :
ALD52 -> LSD = 1P LSD -> AL-LAD -> ETH-LAD

But for me "deep" is not "best".
With ALD52, I dont feel I do a trip, its more like I get insane.
Its very subtil, like what you get with 3meoPCP or benzos : you think that you are normal but you do silly things.
With the "shalow" stuff, its like "waw, here we go, something is arriving, am in a roller coaster", my mind stay were it usualy is.

When I want to work with some questions, have inseights, improve myself, ALD52 is not the way to go.
Cause there is no "meat", there is no confrontation with reality, I'm just elswere, I live a crazy moment but its not relate to my ordinary life.
With the "shalow" molecule, there is a force that put me outside, to other people, to live things.
And I have my ordinary brain to integrate this.
Each must find his own balance, and its great that we can now have several molecules.
For me AL-LAD lead to the most constructive experience.
 
I finally gave in to all the hype about ALD-52 and got some 125ug blotters. I tried half a tab and it was everything I hoped it could be.

I still don't have enough experience with 1P-LSD and ALD-52 to say for sure whether there is a qualitative difference in effects between them and LSD, but goddamn, ALD-52 is some potent shit! It hit me harder and faster than any other lysergamide. I was frying my ass off on 62.5ug. If I took a full tab I would have been losing my mind. 1P-LSD is similar in potency to LSD for me, but ALD-52 seems to be quite a bit stonger.

So far it's hard for me to say whether it's "cleaner" and happier than LSD like people say it is. It may have been slightly less speedy than acid, but it still had some body load. I definitely had a bit of anxiety at times like I would from LSD.
 
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Half is definitely enough for a trip though? Some blood family of mine just got some, and it will be one of their's first time and the other second time tripping. I told them to take 3/4 of a blotter, is that too much?
 
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