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The Big & Dandy AL-LAD Thread - Part 2

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With the ban looming, I ordered a lot of blotters to allow me to continue my research once the supply dries up.

How does everyone recommend I proceed for long term storage? The package will be vacuum sealed and I will keep it in the dark.
 
I'll tell you what I'm doing to preserve my al-lad into the future decades (hopefully..). The sealed packaged is in another baggie with a silica gel pack. This is inside a sealer jar that has a lot of rice (dry) inside it. This is inside a locking box inside a deep freezer.

I know a lot of people don't like to put it in the freezer because of the risk of condensation (= water = degradation to lysergemides), but I'm gambling that by keeping the packet extremely dry that I can avoid condensation, and in the long run it will be better in the freezer than out.

I think once I open it I'll separate it into 10-strips and package those in separate units, maybe wax-sealed opaque bottles, and then back in the freezer. That way I only have to open them up 10 at a time instead of the entire stash.

edit: Doldrugs below reminded me of this:
Just let the container warm up to room temperature before you open it.
Very important
 
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I have mine in foil, in a sealed Baggie, in a mason jar full of dessicant, in the freezer. I've stored dried mushrooms in a sealed glass container and thawed them repeatedly with no loss of potency. Just let the container warm up to room temperature before you open it.
 
What I do not get about UK drug policy is how they allow any number of dodgy stimulants and crappy cannabinoids to remain on the market, while they take the time and effort to ban AL-LAD and LSZ, a couple of harmless, fringe substances, that nobody except nerds on Bluelight gives two fucks about. I just don't understand the underlying principles that are guiding this seemingly wacky decision making - any UK insiders care to enlighten me?

There's no logic, the politicians irrationally hate psychedelics. Maybe scared it'll make people think of asking uncomfortable questions.

They ban cannabinoids too, just can't keep up with all the new ones. Benzos are fine & stims are great if there's no serotonin involved.
 
The conservative ideology has trouble withstanding mind expansion. It's survival for them.
 
I'm freaking out. I dont have the money to get 100 tabs, but I want 100 tabs to continue the research for the years to come.
 
So i have the opportunity to get some crystal while it's still legal but it's only slightly more to buy it on blotters, what's the benefit of crystal?

The only reasons i can think of are more accurate dosing (although the blotters look evenly laid), not having to eat ink/cardboard, and simply for the joy of having it added to my collection

Although it sounds quite something i don't believe that i will ever thumbprint!
 
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Had al-lad stored for what is it now - 2 years? at room temp with no loss of potency. I'm not sure about the freezer, I know it's best in a glass jar because glass doesn't allow air to seep through but you always get ice forming on the inside of glass jars in the freezer so what does that do to your blotter paper? I think if you're putting it in the freezer you need to use argon/inert air rather than trusting to air.

Then again - with the dark net available, do you really need to stock up for 3 or 4 decades?
 
The ban doesn't bother me in the slightest because I don't even like AL-LAD or LSZ but it irks me that the UK is now banning substances without any medical basis. I know that UK law used to be that they had to actually have some justification to ban a substance, not just because they feel like it. So where are the studies proving that AL-LAD or LSZ are actually harmful and dangerous to society? They have LSD in Class A, which means the most dangerous. So where's the scientific evidence for that, much less AL-LAD and LSZ? This is simply an example of the Gov't attitude of "we know best, so don't even question our dictates and ask for such frivolities as scientific evidence".

The UK is as bad as the US now. They might as well just call it the United States of Britain and tell the Queen to take a hike because it's now a Fascist nation like the US. Sadly, as in the US the average voting Brit is a senile old bat who thinks all drugs are bad and ethanol drinking is just peachy. My contention is that alcohol is vastly more dangerous than LSD or any of it's known analogues. I defy the UK Gov't to prove me wrong. So why isn't ethanol in Class A? Quite simple, because the UK makes laws completely arbitrarily, that's why. And it is a well known precept of British law that an arbitrary law is a violation of the "fundamental principles of justice". Of course, British politicians simply ignore the fundamental principles of justice because they are despots. They only difference between them and the Ayatolla is that they don't wear their turbans in public because it would make it too obvious that they're idiots and tyrants. How long are the British people going to stand for this kind of crap? One standard for ethanol and a completely different one for drugs they DON'T use themselves.

Fortunately, there's a loophole in the Misuse of Drugs Act;

(1)This section applies to offences under any of the following provisions of this Act, that is to say section 4(2) and (3), section 5(2) and (3), section 6(2) and section 9.

(2)Subject to subsection (3) below, in any proceedings for an offence to which this section applies it shall be a defence for the accused to prove that he neither knew of nor suspected nor had reason to suspect the existence of some fact alleged by the prosecution which it is necessary for the prosecution to prove if he is to be convicted of the offence charged.

(3)Where in any proceedings for an offence to which this section applies it is necessary, if the accused is to be convicted of the offence charged, for the prosecution to prove that some substance or product involved in the alleged offence was the controlled drug which the prosecution alleges it to have been, and it is proved that the substance or product in question was that controlled drug, the accused—

(a)shall not be acquitted of the offence charged by reason only of proving that he neither knew nor suspected nor had reason to suspect that the substance or product in question was the particular controlled drug alleged; but

(b)shall be acquitted thereof—

(i)if he proves that he neither believed nor suspected nor had reason to suspect that the substance or product in question was a controlled drug; or

(ii)if he proves that he believed the substance or product in question to be a controlled drug, or a controlled drug of a description, such that, if it had in fact been that controlled drug or a controlled drug of that description, he would not at the material time have been committing any offence to which this section applies.

(4)Nothing in this section shall prejudice any defence which it is open to a person charged with an offence to which this section applies to raise apart from this section.

Why would anyone believe that a substance which won't harm or kill you, even in many times the actiive dose, would be a controlled substance? People have very good reason to believe that such a substance would not be banned in a democratic and rational society which respects the fundamental principles of justice and you of course had the naive belief that the UK was such a society. Of course, there's always the question of how do you prove a negative? How do you prove that you did not know something? This shows you how stupid UK lawmakers are, that they actually included s defense which is in reality impossible to implement.
 
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Any concern with storing this in the cheapest vodka possible? I have no idea if there's any chlorine in the water or something like that, would I be better off with purchasing some propylene glycol?

Given my current frequency of tripping, plus my curiosity for the novel, I figure I'll hold on to this stuff for a few years. Any inquiries as to how long this will be stable in either solution (when properly stored)?

(I tried a search and the only answer I got was that properly stored powder lasts longer than a properly stored solution)
 
is it not easier to store (and transport) small flat pieces of paper (eg. blotter) already the right size?
 
I tried 300ug of this last night and it was one of the most tremendous psychedelic experiences of my life, lots of previous experience with the wild psychedelics you can find growing in fields during Autumn, have used that famous naturally occurring smokeable tryptamine a fair few times and have tried the close relation of this substance twice before, once at a moderate dose, another time much heavier. I previously tried 150ug of this substance a week ago and found it to be pleasant, it had a very slow onset which built & built upon itself which i liked a lot but overall i couldn't help but feel that perhaps it was lacking a bit of depth


Leading up to this trip i fasted until dosing mid afternoon, at half an hour in it was already feeling very deep and genuine, i saw the usual OEV breathing effects on text and became aware of the underlying geometry behind this visual effect, it was flowing in, out, all around, back in, a force of encompassment, i became aware of how this same principle integrates all the things we become aware of in our lifetime, a nice insight into the most common visual i have on psychedelics


Creeping up to an hour it was showing a profound holiness, i felt like it knew i had been having my doubts about it and it was resolving those doubts, but how could it know? The molecule must be a key to a knowledge/force that exists independent of the molecule


Past the hour mark it was showing me deep places within myself that other psychedelics have revealed, hands folded spontaniously in prayer style, deep gratitude, but i still wanted to see what sets this substance apart and felt i had enough of it in my system for it to show me... "all one can do is remain conscious and see how things shift" i wrote in my trip log... feeling so great i wanted to redose but decided to let this one roll...


Over 2 hours in i became aware of how deeply therapeutic and healing this substance is, so loving, with the looming ban i feel a massive urge to get behind it but i don't have the funds or even if i did the network to realize the dreams of such vast distribution, i feel that it needs to be out there for the sake of humanity, the love i felt for humanity was so strong, i was thinking about the truth in Hofmanns (?) statement about Lucy being the antidote for the A-Bomb, and how relevant this particular version of that substance is to todays societal issues


At 3 hours in i decided to vaporize some herb and on reflection this was a big mistake, i always find herb mixes best at the tail end of a heavy trip not at the peak as it can quickly color/darken the trip. The combination of having fasted, with 2 blotters in my stomach, mixing in herbs that stimulate digestion, and my earlier intention of 'show me what sets you apart' led to me seeing how high this stuff can really take one, vibing with music became so orgasmic, inner visions were fully immersive, strands of DNA and unidentifiable prima materia explode all over my visual field, 150ug was mostly mental, this was more full on, breathwork coming into play...body movement to channel the energies flow, it made me wonder at what the ceiling dose with this stuff is, sheets were looking edible! Saner heads prevailed... for a while at least


With eyes closed but very aware of my bodies position sitting upright in a chair i saw my flesh disintegrate in moments leaving bones which just as swiftly crumbled to dust leaving in their wake visions of cosmic proportions, oblong shaped galactic discs whose centre was a white hole that took up 90% of the discs diameter, on the fringes of these ‘white holes’ was a surrounding band of purple light with specs of light embedded within it, as I looked closer i came to see that the specs of light were web like superclusters of galaxies themselves, as this vision broke apart and dissipated i saw the 'essence of eyes' beyond the light, symbols of cosmic awareness, this repeated a couple times, as soon as I opened my eyes I was back to the room, but if I closed my eyes I was in that same contemplation again watching my body decompose


Shortly after this i suddenly felt a surge of mental purge and felt 'this is the cleansing side of it', those concepts didn't form but that was the assured feeling, it didn't feel scary at first but actually interesting, the CEV's started to go haywire, i was having so many thoughts at the same time and each thought brought up another image so images were stacking upon one another, very incoherent, chaotic and unenjoyable


This is where shit gets serious, the nature of this psych can be very repetitive, so one doubt, one thought, 'this is weird' can repeat on itself over until things actually get weirder and weirder, so then the thought 'this is going somewhere dark' repeats on itself so it gets darker and darker more sinister and fearful, then the thought 'im losing it' which repeats on itself until that old psychedelic mindstate many of us know comes ' this is it, i'm going to lose it forever' repeats on itself, ad infinitum (or so it feels), this repetition propelled itself into a 'negative spiral' that filled my entire body and all i could do was watch it savagely tear my mind/thoughts/feelings apart, the first time it happened it reduced me to nothing, all i could do was See, it was a process of deeply refining perception, this 'negative' spiral happened a few times but each time after this i was either able to pull myself out of it by thinking positively or let it burn with hands folded and just watch it, this was really pushing me right to my very limits


It soon went back to the usual joy of the experience and at times i consciously called forth the fear again so i could face it and deal with it, just one thought of negativity (that something can even be negative) would repeat on itself until it started to take over, i could locate the fear as a knot below my navel that i could bring upwards and it would fill my whole being with negativity and i could only integrate it with total Love/Seeing


Deep lessons were learned through this, some of the deepest i have ever learned, what you fear is what you'll find, what you feed you will find, so don't feed the view that anything is negative or can be against you in any way, find the love within, let that be your feedlot, allow the mind to subside on this love alone, it showed me i have to love so equally and unequivocally or it isn't the full scope of the true love that exists, to not allow divisiveness to proliferate within the mind, and that ultimately there is no malevolence, life just keeps itself honest


I felt at moments i had to lose everything, all my trust, belief, doubts, faith, everything, it tore all ideas of myself apart, it showed me how much fear is within us all, and showed me how to integrate it as it arises, how to allow myself to 'break openly into it all', to break open those boundaries we build up around ourselves limiting the love that manifests in our world, i saw that a fundamental fear in the human mind is the fear that something can go 'wrong' at all and how to not entertain those fears


I learned how thoughts and feelings can stir up so many images but it is really best to remain imageless and unbound, to not associate my deepest self with thoughts and images, an example of thoughts bringing up images was when i thought of the word 'Ferrari' i saw morphing silhouettes all all the shapes i knew associated with that concept, flicking from old school F40's through to modern F1 racers, it was like i was seeing into the filing cabinet of the mind


The way the trip unfolded it was like it showed me the latent potential within humanity and then showed me what holds us back from realizing that potential


So, please disregard all previous reports including my own that put forward the notion that this is potentially a 'recreational psychedelic', it is not!!! It is a serious entheogen and as heavenly as it is it can also show you the other side of the coin and force you to integrate it all. Now this being said i still don't think there is unnecessary reason to fear as that can certainly feed on itself, i wouldn't want to perpetuate that mindset in anyone, this is still a very loving sacred substance, i feel we each get shown what we have to see, it can push each of us to our own limits, it's not the 'safe' or 'friendly' option when it comes to psychedelics, when it comes down to it it's just like any other proper entheogen, so yeah, this is a serious psychedelic after all, certainly not just for kicks and giggles!
 
That was a great report. I actually had no doubt that this is a serious psychedelic, I just believe that the way the drug shows you things and teaches you lessons can be presented in a not very forceful way which for most would make it more recreational, 2c-b is great example of that. I know that wasn't the case in your trip and I believe that that type of experience is possible with many psychedelics under the right set, setting and dose. Also I believe cannabis played a big role in making the trip more intense and dark and adding to the thought loops. I usually wait till the tail end of a trip to smoke unless the dose I took is too lite for my liking.
Again great report and thanks for sharing.
 
That was a great report. I actually had no doubt that this is a serious psychedelic, I just believe that the way the drug shows you things and teaches you lessons can be presented in a not very forceful way which for most would make it more recreational, 2c-b is great example of that. I know that wasn't the case in your trip and I believe that that type of experience is possible with many psychedelics under the right set, setting and dose. Also I believe cannabis played a big role in making the trip more intense and dark and adding to the thought loops. I usually wait till the tail end of a trip to smoke unless the dose I took is too lite for my liking.
Again great report and thanks for sharing.

Cheers :) glad you enjoyed the write up, i've read so many trip reports in these threads i felt i had to record it and then come back and share my findings with everyone, especially as this is such an amazing yet little known substance, i very much agree that it can be generally less forceful, both times i've tried it i felt that i could've been anywhere in the first few hours, the versatility of it felt so exciting, i even described it as recreational myself but both times towards the end i started to see that it can get intense and is quite a serious thing (to be fair could have been weeds influence both those times) it can seem so benign as some have said, i was even dreaming of eating a ten strip in the height of the trip as it felt so clean loving and gentle, but like any psychedelic it can decide it's time for you to purge!

I agree that cannabis didn't help whatsoever, anytime i've smoked on the peak of a mushroom trip i didn't enjoy it and should've known better, lesson learned!
 
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Yeah i remembered very clearly yesterday that the first time i took LSD and smoked i felt terrible for an hour or so, here's another report on erowid where smoking obviously affected the trip negatively, it's almost exactly how i described it, maybe there should be a warning at the start of this thread saying that a few people have found mixing alcohol or weed can have negative effects on the trip

Some other things i've noticed since my trip... tobacco is revolting, the smell and the taste is utterly disgusting to me now, i was practically hanging out my friends car window last night when he lit up! even just a pinch of it in a joint and the aftertaste is horrendous

I also feel super sensitive to sounds, like i can hear cars from a mile off and birds chirping all over the neighbourhood, especially in the morning

Last night my mums cat came and sat on my lap and i suddenly felt the trip again very intensely!
 
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