The Big & Dandy 6-APB Thread (Part 1)

[Fourth_Drive]

I'd be interested to hear from those who've taken both AMT and 6-APB (Shambles?) how they compare side by side in terms of empathy, visuals, stimulation and duration. I've seen both described as euphoric, psychedelic and as stimulants, and I recall both having durations listed as between 12 and 24 hours. Are they similar?

 

[YaniCZka]

both having durations listed as between 12 and 24 hours.

from most of the reports it seems that 6-apb is lasting much shorter than 12 hours...

 

[MeDieViL]

Yeah it lasts 4-6 hours.

 

[Skyline_GTR]

Re: 6-APB - at 90-100mg the peak alone lasted 3-4 hours for me each time I took it , but if you count the come up and the gradual fall from the peak, I found that it was around 12 hours from baseline to baseline. Sure at T+11 the effects are only residual, but they are still there for me.

 

[Vurtual]

^agree with that Skyline: peak about hour in, lasts for 4 or 5 hours and slowly subsides over a few hours, but in a nice way (not like the after-stimulation of m1). Overall it was about 10 hours for me.

aMT on the other hand works for about 9-10 hours and then starts to come down - but an afterglow still remains (also in a nice way) for a day or two (so far)

In comparison, there was some similarity, but I'd say 6-apb was more like a slightly psychedelic euphoric stimulant; and aMT more a slightly stimulating euphoric psychedelic (if that makes sense - it doesn't to me).

 

[Mullered]

It seems that some people find 6-apb more psychedelic than others. Im not a massive fan of trippy things so Im hoping it isnt too psychedelic for me and is as siimilar to MDMA as some people have been saying. MDMA is my all time favourite drug but for one t's hard to get these days and try and avoid illegal drugs where possible because of my job. If the extent of the trippyness' is the same as MDA (which from what I've read this is an analogue of) then I will be happy

 

[Tarmac1888]

I don't get why everyone on the net seems to think meph has very little comedown, everyone I've met IRL, including myself, finds that it has dreadful comedowns.

Can't agree, i could sleep on itno problem and all i feel the next day is really tired, considering i'd been up all night on it, it was to be expected.

 

[Shambles]

First time I did meph (150mg oral then another coupla 200mg top ups through the day with 20mg 2C-I) it was bliss beyond belief - totally cancelled out the jittery overstimulation that both can hit you with... only meph is quite likely to also sneak up on you several years down the line when you least expect it

Second time was a bit bleurgh (almost a gram over a night) but amazingly light seeing as how it's kinda like taking a chemical cheesgrater to you most vital of innards really. Next few times just got worse and worse. Other than the first time I never was that keen but having to take a drug you dislike in fairly large quantities just to keep the worst of the side-effects at bay is pretty shit.

Meph's intrinsic, unavoidable and (to most mepheads) unthinkable depth of Badness tends to creep up on you and got me way quicker than most. Some are fine as long as they keep it low dose and irregular... then there are those who take meph as a competitive sport and take it a tad too seriously. I doubt you'd still be proclaiming it's miraculous comedown freeness if (like many) you reached the major addiction stage and where rattling through a coupla dozen grams a day.

As in all things, moderation and stuff probably makes a difference, but ultimately it's just good ol' YMMV + time. Incidentally, I've used MDMA heavily for over 20 years (injecting up to 3.5g/week a coupla years back). Never once had anything resembling a comedown from it. Ever. So maybe that's all just been blown up out of proportion too?

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Back on the topic of proper drugs that even get a mention in the thread title, the above unplanned ramble spilled over my keyboard just moments after 20mg of "new and improved" white 6-APB was introduced to one of my rare veins. Was a slightly odd amount I received so seemed to be a good way of making... trying to think up some other excuse. Am all rambled out for a moment

Definitely feels cleaner than the last did IV - it's hard to miss when you get that intimate with your chems - but not gonna bother to describe yet beyond

Vurtual: 6-APB vs MDA vs aMT vs MDMA = feels closest to MDMA - so blissed out and mellow some folks only used to adulterated crap are bound to say they contain smack (or at best MDEA if they're trying to slighty sound less stooopid). It definitely has plenty energy to it but may take some channelling to make best use of it, I suspect. The psychedelic undertones have been subtle for me - no real change in thought patterns, creativity, ideas, etc - but gentle swirlz and stuff at most. Duration I'd put at somewhere between MDMA and MDA - which is no bad thing either :D


There's some other stuff I'm dying to comment on... but am a suddenly far from arsed enough anymore so won't. Tonight. Time for some chooooowzzzz!!!

 

[Shambles]

Was in need of a bit of a pick-me-up cos I've barely slept or eaten and am all round bleurgh cos I ran outta GBL a coupla day back. No real heavy w/d stuff but swigging 50ml+ of it daily is bound to drop you with a bit of a thud. It did. But my golly gosh that (intended to be barely above threshold dose) has some kick to it

May have to double-check it in the very near future... Who am I kiddin? Had the pin filled and waiting for the right moment since that first one was such a surprise - would take at least 75mg or so of IV MDMA to get even close to this fried. In a very, very Good Way %)

 

[nopipesdfw]

I agree, this thread is ridiculous with all the vendor talk. The info in this thread leads to several vendors via simple google search. And vendors coming into threads and offering samples? I mean I'd love free shit too, but this isn't the right place to be pulling shady shenanigans.

I know this isn't the US, but webtryp it up guys! Agreed on all of this. I miss the days when generally nice and (chemistry and drug procedure wise) smart people could discretely purchase mind blowing compounds with mostly good track profiles to explore for cheap. It's quite a nice position to be in, and it is becoming less and less of one due to a new level of greed and pushing with research chems.

To whoever is saying thanks to big brother for taking over and exposing the industry with some monopoly and big business, please take your "research pellet" prepared for animal consumption and put it up your ass as soon as you get it. It will increase the bio availability and the amount of lulz that I get on top of the fact that you are going through the web now to get ripped off all whilst you expose an awesome scene. Believe me, I would think about bumping at those prices too.

Sure, this is a promising compound, but there will be a time where it is available not under the reign of a bunch of fucking monsters. I am either waiting until I can get powder from some of the nicest people I will never know in person or until never. OOooOoOhhhhhHHHHhhh, they found a synth for a compound they did not invent and now this molecule is theirs? Since when were big pharma ethics big here too?*

This isn't even being developed as a medicine, if it is a medicine of some kind I think it is being developed to cure a gigantic meph fix. I'm not some hippie that doesn't believe in property who is expecting him to share the synth, I feel it's time to do my part and not participate yet. Hopefully somebody bigger than me is getting close to doing their part and not ripping everybody off.....Which is what must happen for this drug imo, me bitching obviously won't make humans wanting drugs just stop all of the sudden. I know cheaper prices will sway you away from this tool or at least make him play it fair. He still sells "research pellets", though. Maybe vendors should start putting billboards across from playgrounds and sell their pellets there too, they could probably squeeze a couple more euros out of that crowd. (I know you're reading this, give me credit when you bank, bro.)



*You filthy fucking vendors, get off ADD and PD.








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Was in need of a bit of a pick-me-up cos I've barely slept or eaten and am all round bleurgh cos I ran outta GBL a coupla day back. No real heavy w/d stuff but swigging 50ml+ of it daily is bound to drop you with a bit of a thud. It did. But my golly gosh that (intended to be barely above threshold dose) has some kick to it

May have to double-check it in the very near future... Who am I kiddin? Had the pin filled and waiting for the right moment since that first one was such a surprise - would take at least 75mg or so of IV MDMA to get even close to this fried. In a very, very Good Way %)

As I mentioned, I hope nobody bitches at me for not calling this stuff medicine in any practical sort to our society. Surely it's an entactogen/empathogen, but (no offense, I love your posts) if a mod on bluelight has this to report back (sounds awesome), how do you think more than ready UK'ers are going to use this stuff? Nothing wrong with your binge, just saying that this stuff isn't justified to be in a state of monopoly.

 

[Ghostface]

Shambles, Skyline etc how was to the comeup the 2nd and third time round in regards to vomiting and needing the bog?

 

[Silverfox]

I've used MDMA heavily for over 20 years (injecting up to 3.5g/week a coupla years back). Never once had anything resembling a comedown from it. Ever. So maybe that's all just been blown up out of proportion too?

Shambles, I'm curious to know how you got any effects from taking regular high does of mdma when received wisdom (and personal experience) suggests that once the serotonin has been depleted you can't get get the serotonin high until it has been built up again?

 

[swilow]

Fact is, all this shit will be made compltely illegal soon, with wide ranging consequences for many.

Its seems that this thread is against many, many rules on Bluelight; for one thing, the vendor talk. Fuck it. Also, the speculation- one of the things we/they have explicitly ruled against: no what did I take threads...?? This seems kinda similar.

That said, for the true explorers, there will always be a way to get that odd substance- and remember, Mother Nature, she grows some good shit. She planted a ton of mushrooms near me; thanks, Love

As I mentioned, I hope nobody bitches at me for not calling this stuff medicine in any practical sort to our society. Surely it's an entactogen/empathogen, but (no offense, I love your posts) if a mod on bluelight has this to report back (sounds awesome), how do you think more than ready UK'ers are going to use this stuff?

One must remember: Shambles is a man of steel :D Also, why should he be dishonest? I'm quite sure his happy report isn't going to start off an epidemic... And, either way, one must also take into account that people use drugs irresponsibly, whether they are legal or not, as seen with the mephedrone disaster.

And yet more people would die from smoking tobacco then will even hear of someone who has heard of someone who knows something about someone who might have taken something called 6-APB. Which should definitely stand for 6(00) arseholes prematurely buried.

 

[loubanez]

Anyone kno if 6-apb will make you trip at higher doses i havnt read any trip reports of more than 120mg, but ive had some pretty vivid trips an visuals off methylone at high doses an wondering if this could do the same for me

 

[Xorkoth]

Seriously everyone: we are shortly going to be digging through here and deleting the following kinds of posts:

• Any sort of posts like this: "I'm so jealous of you with samples. I want some!" Or "When will this be out" or anything that doesn't contribute to information collecting and experience reporting about this substance, or educated speculation.
• ANY kind of vendor discussion, whether veiled or outright. I have seriously never seen so much vendor discussion in a thread in all my life. In the future these posts will start to receive warnings and infractions. Vendor discussion is about the number 1 rule of BL... keeping it out of posts that is.

A little while ago I cleaned out the old thread and put the good posts into this thread. Now it's completely lost control again. PLEASE, if you don't have anything useful to contribute, don't post here. There has been enough speculation and ENOUGH vendor discussion. This is not the social thread here. Okay?

I'd start doing it right now but my in-laws have been over for almost a week... they're staying at our house and I've got to be a host. They're leaving Wed night.

 

[wondersoup]

I'm sorry. I just realised I did bad.

Is it ok to say the majority of these vendors are greedy and dumb though?

 

[CatfishRivers]

What makes me laugh is ALL the posts bitching about invalid posts i.e the last few pages... talk about pot calling kettle black

also another strange point i noticed there is no mention of 6apb in another Drugs-Forum, is cos they is yanks?

Look, just to be clear so the folks with laboring brain function can understand where I am coming from, I'd rather not have to waste my time arguing with others about the content of their posts, but when people go on and on about details relating to vendors and the labs synthesizing the chemicals we are all here to discuss, they are breaking one of the foundational rules of the website, a rule that is in place to help ensure that we are able to meet here in these forums and discuss these things in the first place. When vendors are showing up in forums offering samples to website users, that's a serious issue that puts us all at risk here. I agree, I would rather these threads have nothing but discussion and data directly relating to the topic at hand, but I'm not going to let a stampede of stupidity ruin things for the rest of us.

 

[Ghostface]

Back on topic!

How is the vomiting/need to crap issue for those who have dosed a second or third time?

 

[Shambles]

^ Seemed to be less of an issue but still a definite feature. Imagine it would get better with familiarity. Only issue that still bugs me is the headache it seems to give me towards the end. Does fade away fairly soon but not ideal. Maybe gurning/grinding at work so magnesium could help minimise it perhaps.

unfortunately there are druggies and there are folks who actually use psychedelics for personal growth, you can read between the lines on most of theses posts who's who.

These things are not necessarily mutually exclusive.

Shambles, I'm curious to know how you got any effects from taking regular high does of mdma when received wisdom (and personal experience) suggests that once the serotonin has been depleted you can't get get the serotonin high until it has been built up again?

Freak of nature, perhaps. But probably more due to the ROA and way I was using it - not daily, just very heavily some days. 2-3 days between is plenty time for me serotonin to come out to play again. Obviously not gonna be such a great idea for your health but was fun at the time and was actually a hugely important period of my life. After all those long years on the crack and smack it was kinda like a (very) hefty dose of self-medicated therapy. For me it worked. That doesn't mean it was a clever thing to do and have never suggested that it was.

Have only just woken up so will respond to some of the perfectly valid points others have made after a coffee kickstart or two. Some I would agree with, others maybe not quite but I can assure you that all the PD mods are aware of the situation and it will be dealt with.

 

[jpcardiff]

I tried the "new" off-white 6-apb on Saturday night. approx 90mg (8.20pm)

Suffice to say it blew my mind but short of repeating a lot of what has already been said by many before me I thought I would add a few personal insights

Firstly, although the comeup was strong there was no vomiting. I took this at a friends house deliberately about an hour before setting off into town/clubbing as I didnt want to risk throwing up in more social settings. I've never threw up on mdma either though

I had eaten in the day but not much. The come up took an hour to peak. During 1st hour I felt a little anxious (as with any new experience) but after that point I felt far more at ease.

The walk into town was brilliant. walking felt kinda floaty. Minor visuals from passing headlights. Once in the club definite music appreciation. The feeling of bliss and empathy kept on til at least half midnight. It peaks in waves but never subsides.

A definite "inner goodness" beyond half midnight that I could still feel til 6am all the while getting less and less.

Managed some sleep but was up to play football on Sunday morning. Something I would never have managed off meph. I felt absolutely fine, aside from the lack of sleep - but I should stress I didnt try to get to bed before 6am I was up by choice with company

Overall this is a top drug. It is quite trippy to begin with and im sure experiences will vary depending on settings but for me it definitly enhanced a night out and the lack of crash is just the cherry on the cake

Mullered; I cant reply mate for some reason it wont allow me sorry bud