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The Big & Dandy 6-APB Thread (Part 1)

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I wonder if shoving a methyl on the end will up it's potency and duration even further? Though it seems as though it's already at least as potent as mda or even mdma with maybe a longer duration?
 
Reet i'm gonna try sleep. Doubt i can though, too many patterns & colours. +suns up :(
Shambles did you try it IV? Or did you resist & munched it.
Wish i hadnt wasted half my sample on trying to sniff it! Also wish i had some benzos or nay other drugs to hand
 
Also, I gather the longer duration would be due to the unsaturated benzofuran having more resistance to being metabolized, over the typical mythlenedioxy moliety.
 
organicshroom said:
^ Can you comment on it's stimulation? Much of an increase in heart rate or trouble sleeping, etc?
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After i tried a line my heart was 'fluttering' (beating reallly quickly), this wore off fairly quickly though and no such effects were noted when a much larger dose was tried orally. I doubt i'm sleeping tonight, but i find it near impossible to sleep on any stim/psych at all

Visuals seem to be dying down also, i kinda miss then :(
 
I wonder if you would have gotten better effects had you not snorted an initial dose and just taken it orally instead? I find with most things that the initial high sets the stage for the experience, and and redosing just lengthens and strengthens that initial high.
 
Link_S said:
After i tried a line my heart was 'fluttering' (beating reallly quickly), this wore off fairly quickly though and no such effects were noted when a much larger dose was tried orally. I doubt i'm sleeping tonight, but i find it near impossible to sleep on any stim/psych at all

Visuals seem to be dying down also, i kinda miss then :(
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So you feel it's more stimulating than mdma of a similar dose? And can you explain the visuals?
 
Nah i found it much less stimulating & less euphoric than mandy, wasnt really ideal for a night out as its so relaxing & the visuals pretty intense. Snorted the buzz wasnt enjoyable at all, just a slight headfuck & wrong feeling. Oral is like a completely different drug though, felt on the edge of a massive plurry MD wreck but never quite came, just slight pre-md-rush euphoria building up for an hour or so, then a feeling of wellbeing & content for another hour or 2 & after that any md-esque feelings wore off completely for me, redosing (albeit a small one) did nothing to bring any of these effects back. Probably likely that the 40mg line had something to do with why i wasnt experiencing the same effects others have noted Xorkoth, i reckons cross-tolerance from caining meph probably had something to do with it aswel. I dunno i'd love to try it again & note down what its like at the actual moment in time, i've got a feeling i'm under-appreciating the euphoric effects trying to remember back for some reason?

Visuals are best compared to 2ci visuals, or a low dose acid kinda thing, walls breathing & patterns forming down them, objects morphing, everything looking more colourful & interesting than usual. Never had confirmed MDA so cannae compare, did remind me of some of the 'trippier' pills i've had though. Also reminded me of the bombs that were going round the uk a few years back, first dodgy pill i ever took, made me feel liek death but the visuals were really intense and really similar kind of visuals that i got from this, minus the 7-hour long uncomfortable stimmedness, the hot & cold flushes or other grim effects i usually get from pips, so overall really pleasant.
 
Time for an update, methinks. Obviously the impromptu additive will have affected things so my observations may not be the most reliable for gauging the effects of the drug used alone. I am pretty familiar with the effects of 2C-B though and think I have an idea of which effects are most likely more mainly due to one or the other.

organicshroom said:
^ Can you comment on it's stimulation? Much of an increase in heart rate or trouble sleeping, etc?
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Very smooth stimulation. Starts slowly then bumps up a notch shortly before the peak begins but never came close to discomfort - this was very welcome as MDMA itself can be almost too mellow if you don't take enough (or if you take too much for that matter sometimes, I find). Would compare it more to "speedy pills" than crystal MDMA. Again, I think that will go down well with those (lunatics!) that dislike the crystal MDMA mong cos it's "just not like a proper pill".

Not long after my previous post it felt like it was definitely ending (the 2C-B was on it's last legs too really) and I was pretty tired but sleep really wasn't happening. Fair bit of residual stimulation here. I'm sure the 2C-B will be contributing to it but other reports seem to mention it going on a bit once the peak has faded. Would be rather enjoyable for a messy morning after session with a bit of ket and weed but some would find it irritating, I suspect.

Also noticed a slight headache and a few shivery chills (thinking probably more due to 2C-B as I usually get the 2C-shivers on the way up and down from them) and a bit of a dicky tummy. Without getting too graphic I was rather glad to have easy access to a toilet close at hand - if a club full of people drop at the same time the queue for the facilities could be interesting :D

Xorkoth said:
Heeeeeey Shambilz! I wanted to stop in and say that I approve of your drug-piggery, and I covet your synapses!
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Why thank you, Xorky. I do my best ;)

RC Ninja said:
Only problem I have with BL is a lot of the posters seem to be very weak wannabee molecular chemists...
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We certainly have a number of people who really do know their stuff but there will always be far more chemistry naive people (like myself) around due to the nature of HR - if everybody knew their chemistry inside out they probably wouldn't be needing to ask what a good first time dose of acid was and what does it feel like and then we'd be out of a job ;)

I also hope that at least some people have the good grace to take back some of the nastier stuff they've said about the initial samplees cos they ain't lying and never were.
 
hey guys, i diluted 60 mg in water and drank it down at 1 in the afternoon yesterday on an emtpy stomach, and not having consumed any drugs for over 2 months. im roughly 13 stone, 6ft tall. after about 30 mins i felt myself coming up, and also began to reach, but luckily i wasnt sick, instead poo'd twice. after that i started coming up really strong, i had lots of trails and colours, i kinda felt seperate from reality. there wasnt much stimulation, until after 7 hours when i was coming down, then my heart for about an hour or 2 started racing, and my body tempertaure increased significantly. i was trying to keep myself fully hydrated.i started to feel really sick and develop a real nasty headache. i didnt end up falling asleep till 7am, which was 18 hours since dosing. i really enjoyed it, although the negatives: i found myself having some pretty weird thoughts on this stuff, probably wouldnt have been able to go out and socialise on that dose, to much visual distortion, found it really difficult to focus on anything, and the comedown for me was one of the worst i've ever had, 10 hours of feeling really sick, with an intense headache. maybe its cause i took this on an empty stomach tho. it will be a while before i take this again, would need something like diazapam to help with the comedown
 
That's interesting you felt it would be hard to socialise on due to it's more psychedelic side as I found quite the opposite. I must admit that if there was anything I could do to "improve" it I would have liked just a tad more of a psychedelic feel. Felt very clear headed to me (aside from the MDMAesque euphoria) with no hint of significantly distorted thought patterns. At times during the peak it was quite hard to focus but in a situation where others where in the same mindset that would be a bonus, in my opinion. The description Skyline gave of "MDMA with visuals" was bang on for me - describes it to a tee. Was a higher dose too but I had eaten lightly an hour or so before dropping.

Suppose I am now at the comedown stage but I wouldn't call it a bad one at all really. I did definitely have the squirmy belly thing (and associated sudden urgent toilet dashings) on the come-up and again on the comedown which is pretty common for similar feeling substances but maybe a bit stronger with this. No nausea noted.

Also have a headache but - again like MDMA - I am probably pretty dehydrated due to being a bit of a greasy sweatball most of the night and only sipping slowly at a few beers rather than properly hydrating. I do the same with MDMA and would have to draw the comparison once again - would find it hard to do more than sip steadily at fluids and a cold beer just tastes good although is obviously not the best choice. Also nice for the increased body temperature which is quite noticeable but doesn't really feel worrying or uncomfortable to me.

Just goes to show that - like everything else - YMMV is king.
 
Second the comedown not too bad, 14 hours since my last dose and no chance of sleep though. Also have a bit of a headache aswel & i feel a bit queasy but nothing too bad. Found another small line of k that i just took, doubt it was enough to feel though. Also couldnt piss at all for 7-8 hours after first dose though needed to which i havnt felt since the days of boshing pills, it was a welcome familiarity!
 
Come to think of it I haven't been weeing as much as I probably should given the combination of a bit of booze and GBL to oil the wheels, Link. Hadn't really thought of it as I've had none of that frustrating ghost piss bizniz that can be a bitch on MDMA.

Sleep also seems unlikely for a while but don't feel rough - headache has mostly lifted now and am remarkably clear-headed under the circumstances. No hint of an emotional crash as some get after MDMA so far either. Feeling pretty perky and chipper to be honest, but not really like I would be especially chatty if I had someone here with me to chat with. More just cosy and relaxed. Ket and/or weed would go down a treat but sadly have neither to hand.

GZero said:
Shambles you have a fucking impeccable taste in music.


I'm glad you thought the hype was justified.
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Glad you approve of the tunage - roper drugs need proper music ;)

And for me it really did live up the almost hysterical hype surrounding it. The MDMA comparison is unavoidable but it is definitely its own drug and can hold its own against any comparable substance. For those that are finding MDMA hard to come by I suspect they will be more than happy to play with this one as an alternative. Won't be to everybody's taste - it is certainly not "the new mephedrone" - but those that love a good pill with just a dash of pretty things on the side are likely to become swift converts I'd say.

PS: Morning after tunes ftw - I Started A Joke <3
 
'ghost piss'? lol how did you come by that analogy? Just cos it's not there like a ghost is the only thing I could think of :)?

This is kind of offputting. Are there any substances one could take to counteracts this before hand/after as a pre/postload...If it's cos of releasing more vasopressin like MDMA what would counter this?

Shambles (+others) would you say the water retention is worse than MDMA? When I took mdma I recall if I didn't have too much I could stay on a borderline where I'm nicely high but not be plugged up and could piss with a little concentration. Hopefully it'd be the same with this. I vaguely recall drinking alcohol would help make me piss although if I'm wrong in my assumption that could cause a dam waiting to burst due to alcohol making you wanna piss more but think it's right if mem serves me. What about caffeine as it's a diuretic?...anything else?
 
I have a few questions and a couple statements.

Link_s, did you take your oral dose on the same evening as insufflating the prior dose? Also, are you aware of how really good, pure, clean mdma can be very relaxing and calming? Even in the early 90's when pills were considered much cleaner than they are today, the difference between pressed pills and fresh, clean pure mdma was quite startling, imo. The cleanest mdma samples I've had I never really felt were appropriate for a night out dancing or at a party.

I know this has been touched on before but could someone more knowledgeable about chemistry and the law speak as to why the methylene groups of 6-apdb and 5-apdb would be covered by uk law, but not the methyne groups/ethylene group of 6-apb or 5-apb? Also, does anyone know if vendors and manufacturers of this compound could be sued for patent violations by lilly? I remember reading of this happening to an lsd chemist a while back by Sandoz.

http://v3.espacenet.com/publication...045545B1&KC=B1&FT=D&date=20060516&DB=&locale=

It's interesting that what we know as 6-apb is known as a 5ht2c agonist, does anyone have info on 6-apdb being a 5ht2c agonist because either skyline or gzero said in this or a thread on another forum, I can't remember cited that lack of vomiting as the reason he was sure the compound in question was not 6-apdb. So, which one is actually the stronger 5ht2c agonist?
 
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I'm pretty sure I must have a decent bladderfull by now but must admit there's no discomfort and only occurred to me when Link mentioned it. On MDMA I almost always get an uncomfortable need to piss and can spend a good 20 minutes desperately trying to squeeze a drop out but it just ain't happening. It is odd that I really didn't notice the effect till it was brought up but can't say it is bothering me at the moment as I just don't feel the need. It probably isn't something in its favour though as it surely needs to be let out. Suspect it will be pretty orgasmic when it finally does though =D

PS: Ghost piss is a pretty common term to describe the MDMA effect in the UK so can't take the credit for that one I'm afraid.

Turing: Can't help with the chemistry stuff, but on the anorexia side I didn't find it too hard to get some food down me a short while ago. Was craving something sweet though so had a chocolate fondant with a dollop each of mint-choc and toffee fudge ice cream on the side. Decadence <3
 
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I have a few questions and a couple statements.
I know this has been touched on before but could someone more knowledgeable about chemistry and the law speak as to why the methylene groups of 6-apdb and 5-apdb would be covered by uk law, but not the methyne groups 6-apb or 5-apb? Is it because the law covers alkyl but not alkene groups. Also, does anyone know if vendors and manufacturers of this compound could be sued for patent violations by lilly?
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neither apdb nor apb are covered, because the catch all law requires alkyl, alkoxy, alkylenedioxy or halide substituents in the ring, which is why 4-mta was not illegal until specifically added.
and the answer to the second question regarding lilly, is yes without a doubt, they could also be sued for patent violation for naphyrone. It really is down to whether lilly has noticed the violation and cares enough to sue.

It's interesting that what we know as 6-apb is known as a 5ht2c agonist, does anyone have info on 6-apdb being a 5ht2c agonist because either skyline or gzero said in this or a thread on another forum, I can't remember cited that lack of vomiting as the reason he was sure the compound in question was not 6-apdb. So, which one is actually the stronger 5ht2c agonist?
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as was mentioned before the 6 dihydro compound does not cause nausea in everyone, and besides this isn't a very clever way of identifying something, I find the identification on the basis of Skyline and Gzero the human spectrometers who would hurl with the dihydro compound and not with the aromatic give me a break. until a sample is obtained and analysed it is a mystery
 
Shambles in saying thats it's not the new mephedrone, do you mean its not as good as mephedrone? Or just that it's not similar to mephedrone?
 
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