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The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-MiPT Thread

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Ungoliath, we are people with opinions...and since Bluelight is formulated in the spirit of harm reduction, we will voice our opinion when we see someone espousing dangerous practices. You are describing a very good way to end up with an overdose.

How could you possibly think that dosing oneself over and over again with high doses of unresearched chemicals til one gets fucked up could possibly be a safe or responsible practice?

That kind of behavior will end up with an overdose that will effect massive psychological and/or physiological damage to your person, eventually. Sure you might be able to get away with it for awhile with certain chems, but it will bite you in the ass sooner or later.

Some of us have been around the block and have seen the effects of overdoses on some of these chemicals, unfortunately. :(

Just be careful...and tone down the hostility...nobody is out to get you here...we're talking to you because we care about you. :\
 
Just for the record, I've never gotten anywhere from 5-MeO-MIPT orally at less than 10-12mg. I don't think anything of it, since I'm a tryptamine hardhead. I can completely see why someone would consider a 20mg dose, as I've considered that myself. I decided against it since there's some question as to whether 5-MeO-MIPT is similarly toxic to Foxy at higher doses.

No comment on all the boner fencing though. :\
 
Hey, I'm about to edit out a bunch of these personal attacks. If I see anyone else posting personal attacks in this thread, I'm going to start handing out warnings. Take it to PMs. Or better yet, drop it. This is a harm reduction forum for talking about psychedelics. I would have thought our egoes were a bit less tender.

Ungoliath, speaking for myself alone, I wasn't trying to attack you at all. I was just saying that the people I know would react badly to even 20mg of 5-MeO-MiPT the first time, or any time. I am certainly a personal tester, not as much recently but for awhile I was using psychedelics a good 3-4 times a week for a long period of time, and I wouldn't have wanted to ever dose 20mg of 5-MeO-MiPT. That's fine that you can, but all I/we were trying to point out is that you are not the norm. Most people who would randomly be looking on Bluelight to research a new psychedelic wouldn't have any tolerance whatsoever, and if someone read your posts and decided on 20-30mg of 5-MeO-MiPT or something, they could end up in very serious trouble. So we have to post responses for the purpose of harm reduction.

Look, I'm sure I'd be fine taking 20mg of 5-MeO-MiPT, and I'd probably really enjoy it a lot in fact. Maybe I will sometime. But I've tripped hundreds of times, way more than I could possibly keep count of, and I have tolerance both physical and mental, and I'm well-equipped to deal with the effects in a healthy way if things go bad. You have those things, too... it sounds like you're very experienced with psychedelics. But we're not the norm. Those of us who use them so much tend to be well-learned anyway, and have our own opinion. But people who are randomly coming into possession of an exotic tryptamine or phenethylamine they've never heard of and are looking for information won't know what to believe.
 
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Ive seen some full freak outs on 18mg, myself included. 20mg is too much IMO, let alone the 40 or 60 you mentioned!
 
Ungoliath said:
Im doing you guys a favor by reporting what happens when you do the high end doseages of these drugs, so now you guys know if someone every accidently weights up 20mg instead of 2mg on a scale and injests it, there not going to die, they dont need to go to a hospital, they can sit back and ride out the high.
These are research chemicals, I offer you all research, weither you take it or not its your choice, dismiss it and you could make a big mistake if something comes up down the road.
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Anyone reading this, please exercise extreme caution. Just becauase 20mg was fine for this guy, doesn't mean you're not one of the "some people appear to be significantly more sensitive to 5-MeO-MIPT than others. "

Remember TiHKAL recommends 4-6mg, and erowid recommends 1 - 15mg+ (with 15+ being classed as a heavy experience, 5-12mg as strong, and 4-6mg as common). Start small and work your way up. On serperate occasions, I had 4, 6, 8mg, etc doses. ~12mg is where it got to heart beating out of my chest, scary for me.

If someone you know has had a "heavy" dose, and/or they don't look OK, please don't ever think "oh, they'll be fine, they'll pull through" - if there's any doubt at all, get them to an ER/call an ambulance - these guys are interested in saving your life, not getting you busted - it's highly unlikely the cops will get involved.
 
low doses

i tried this substance twice at around 5mg and both times noticed a strong, tryptamine-like stimulation with defenite recreational potential.
it did not cause any insightful experience for me at this dose and so i lost interest.
it may be more interesting when dosed higher but as i dont really enjoy the stimulant properties of the 5-methoxy substitution pattern, higher dosing is no option (especially not when its 4-substuted cousins are around).
i recently began experimenting with low doses between 0,5 and 2 mg where 2mg are on the edge of a stimulant dose and 0,5mg produce almost zero effects.
i found doses at around 1mg to have mood elevating and slightly antidpressant effects lasting for ~5 hours.
any comments on this?
 
I found 2mg to be dysphoric but I combined it with weed which sometimes has that effect in me. Not stimulating at all, more like a depressant at that level for me. 4mg was stimulating for me.
 
i didnt find that this substance has direct euphoric potential at any dose. something that seems to be the case with every 5meo-tryptamine (and to a lesser extend all psychdelic tryptamines).
 
So do you guys think this might be a good intro into psychedelic kinda drugs. Because a few years back i had a horrible HORRIBLE salvia trip, and now i get really anxious and nervous, sometimes out of no where. But i really want to start trying psychedelics. So i was figuring if this one is kinda easy on the mind i can do it for a few months get my self use to it then move on to bigger and better things.

Any comments?
 
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my two low doses (2 and 4mg) would not suggest it as being a good intro. Anything with a bodyload to it is not a goodintro....the 5-meo's in particular I've tried (-DiPT, -DALT, -MiPT, -DMT) are all really weird and alien to me and sometimes somewhat dysphoric.....

I would suggest a more traditional psychedelic, like LSD or mushrooms or psilocin or one of the psilocin analogues. Those have usually a lot less bodyload than some of the other RCs.
 
Could you explain this body load to me a little better? Because i can handle speedy things and i can handle nausea, if thats what your talking about.
 
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Someone can explain better than me the 'body rush/pressure' of moxy, but at 4mg my arms were rushing with energy in a weird tryptamine way....not in a stimulant way...just weirdness....it felt good though, but maybe it could be nerve wracking to someone not used to weird body feelings with psychs....

higher doses people have described pressure/excessive tingling in extremities and profound shifts in mental perspective.....

What about trying DMT as an introduction to HT psychedelics? It is wonderful and full of positive energy....and you can smoke low doses of it (10-15mg) to get a feel for tripping....it leaves quickly which is a plus if it gets a little too intense for you.
 
Out of curiousity, why do youwant to IM this substance? Oral is plenty potent...why not just take it that way?

Research chemicals are not always (never) 100% pure. A chemist friend told me there is usually 2-3% (or more) of impurities or precursors mixed in. Taking a chemical orally gives you a better chance for your body to destroy those impurities (if they are toxic) with MAO enzymes. If you bypass first pass metabolism (in the stomach) you bypass this chance to filter the bad stuff out and may risk your health.

I would also be curious about people who have IMed this. I would guess there is not much potency gain with alternate routes of dosing (comparing it to LSD, which is also fundally absorbed). I would strongly recommend just taking RCs (and most all drugs) orally.
 
^^First pass metabolism refers to metabolism in the liver. Since absorption from the stomach/intestines feeds into the hepatic portal vein, and into the liver, all orally consumed drugs are exposed to first pass. There is also gut MAO, which might be what you are referring to. Both decrease bioavailiability somewhat. IM, nasal, and rectal admin by bypass this metabolism (partially or completely).

I'm with you on IM 5-meo-mipt though. I don't recommend it. If you do decide to try it, start with very low doses and work your way up.
 
Oh, OK, thanks for clearing that up. I thought first pass metabolism referred to MAO and liver (ie the whole shebang). I would have figured that MAO destruction would be included as a step in the first pass.

Anyways, I think the MAO enzymatic processes in the stomach are important especially for RCs, since there have been a few that have toxic impurities that are 'safe' to take orally since MAO handles it.
 
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Out of curiousity, why do youwant to IM this substance? Oral is plenty potent...why not just take it that way?
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I don't necessarily want to IM it, I'm just wondering about that method because I haven't seen any mention of it anywhere. So, why did I ask? I am curious about it and I thought it might be a viable route to consider. Your points about "filtering" and absorption (in the Quick PD ? Thread) make it sound like a bad idea.

It's not like I had a syringe full of the substance held above my thigh, ready to inject the instant someone said "It's cool - go for it!" ;)

However, I did not find it to be particularly potent (for me) orally at 6-7mg. I intend to take a higher dose next time (again, orally!) and reconsider from there.
 
I'm actually a bit puzzled by this chemical. I don't understand why so many people need so much and TIHKAL describes effects at very low doses. Maybe the people that tried it in TIHKAL were just sensitive, or maybe the 5-MeO-MiPT circulating now is somewhat weak.
 
Maybe Sasha was focusing on the sexual enhancing properties of this chemical when taken at low doses. No one is sexy when blasted on foxy.
 
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