bigchug
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Ingestion is definitely the best route for taking this one. Smoking it seems to be a tease.
The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-MiPT Thread
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HottButtaz
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I have some experience smoking moxy, although the most I've smoked was 15mg.
The effects immediately after smoking are unique to smoking, and after about 45 minutes the experience becomes like the tail end of the eaten experience- that is to say beautiful and easy.
As far as the smoking specific effects, they're a combination of these two descriptions:
1) Imagine you're some sort of hyper dimensional lizard, sunning itself in a warm cosmic desert. Then a car comes along and smashes you through the cosmic road you didn't notice you were on, in slow motion, and as your face and body are pushed through the road they squeeze out on earth, as your human face and body, skin stretched tight, feeling like an odd reptile come mammal.
2) All senses are merged or brought to the same level of awareness. I've talked to friends I've smoked it with, and they agree. I felt the summer's humidity on my skin as much as I heard my own thoughts as much as I saw the forest balcony view as much as I could talk. And all I said was "obbbgguhh mannn I dooonnooo"
So definitely odd, enjoyable in an funny way, temporarily disabling, and a enormous waste of powder compared to eating. (at least with the hcl)
Would I smoke it again? Only if I had access to a large supply, but then yeah definitely.
The effects immediately after smoking are unique to smoking, and after about 45 minutes the experience becomes like the tail end of the eaten experience- that is to say beautiful and easy.
As far as the smoking specific effects, they're a combination of these two descriptions:
1) Imagine you're some sort of hyper dimensional lizard, sunning itself in a warm cosmic desert. Then a car comes along and smashes you through the cosmic road you didn't notice you were on, in slow motion, and as your face and body are pushed through the road they squeeze out on earth, as your human face and body, skin stretched tight, feeling like an odd reptile come mammal.
2) All senses are merged or brought to the same level of awareness. I've talked to friends I've smoked it with, and they agree. I felt the summer's humidity on my skin as much as I heard my own thoughts as much as I saw the forest balcony view as much as I could talk. And all I said was "obbbgguhh mannn I dooonnooo"
So definitely odd, enjoyable in an funny way, temporarily disabling, and a enormous waste of powder compared to eating. (at least with the hcl)
Would I smoke it again? Only if I had access to a large supply, but then yeah definitely.
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Has this been with a salt or a freebase form of the compound?
Smoking the freebase seems to be a bitch. Repeatedly for a period of approximately 15 minutes lungfulls of smoke were held in and exhaled. It was hard to get it to vaporize also. I didnt get anywhere near as strong a trip as if I was to have taken it orally.
Smoking the freebase seems to be a bitch. Repeatedly for a period of approximately 15 minutes lungfulls of smoke were held in and exhaled. It was hard to get it to vaporize also. I didnt get anywhere near as strong a trip as if I was to have taken it orally.
Morninggloryseed
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HottButtaz said:
In TIHKAL it is not specified if it was the base or salt that was smoked, but he noted the far larger dosage that was needed for smoking. Suggested pyrolysis could even be changing the compound.
Morninggloryseed
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non-discript white powder. Pretty much 99% of all alkaloids are white powders in their salt form.
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Why is this one called the MDMA of tryptamines? I took two 6mg doses spaced 1 hr 30 min apart and got a low level body buzz but mostly visuals similar to a gram of cyanescens shrooms. Does the body high get better at higher levels? And at those levels would the visuals be a little to strong for an inexperienced tripper?
Morninggloryseed
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I always thought a-ET was the "MDMA of the tryptamines." It substitutes for MDMA in animal studies.
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I personally think this one is my favorite of any RC I've tried. Its pure bliss in almost any setting.
Xorkoth
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Eh, I believe in my first report on this substance I likened it to "the MDMA of tryptamines", although I got that phrase from a report already on Erowid.
I agree, this stuff is very blissful. But you have to approach it in a different way than you would approach something like MDMA, or it can kick your ass.
I agree, this stuff is very blissful. But you have to approach it in a different way than you would approach something like MDMA, or it can kick your ass.
orbital_forest
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e.g. dont give in to the redosing fiendy feeling to recapture the initial rush,or you will end up a psychedelic mess....
Xorkoth
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5-MeO-MiPT has really helped me in several cases to break through some energy blockages in my heart/solar plexus area which were either the cause of or the result of depression and anxiety. I've found it most useful when you need to do some energy realignment... it seems to really strengthen the proper flow of energy throughout your body. At least it does for me.
In regards to the questions in other threads today about comparisons of this to 5-MeO-DiPT, I personally find them to be extremely different, really not very similar at all. Among other things, 5-MeO-DiPT has a nasty body load, or even if it's not too strong to be unpleasant, it is definitely very present and edgy. 5-MeO-MiPT, on the other hand, if you get into the state properly, is amazingly transparent and light on the body, and can become very pleasurable indeed.
In regards to the questions in other threads today about comparisons of this to 5-MeO-DiPT, I personally find them to be extremely different, really not very similar at all. Among other things, 5-MeO-DiPT has a nasty body load, or even if it's not too strong to be unpleasant, it is definitely very present and edgy. 5-MeO-MiPT, on the other hand, if you get into the state properly, is amazingly transparent and light on the body, and can become very pleasurable indeed.
Morninggloryseed
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It's good to hear that....I want no part of anything that could be remotely like 5-MeO-DiPT in nature.
It's good to hear that....I want no part of anything that could be remotely like 5-MeO-DiPT in nature.
Jabberwocky
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hey xorkoth, what is your normal dosage with this one???
Why does shulgin tell about such profound effects from such low amount of material and the entire community is usually suggesting 10+mg for a +3???
Why does shulgin tell about such profound effects from such low amount of material and the entire community is usually suggesting 10+mg for a +3???
MagickalKat777
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Xorkoth said:
I only got to take this substance once. But I definitely was noticing that there was room for energy work with it.
I'm in severe need of some energy repair (depression and anxiety as you're speaking of but moreso the anxiety)... maybe I'll have to take another excursion on it some time. Not in the near future though.
When on my dose (15mg), it was definitely quite euphoric and blissful. I could see how it could be called the MDMA of tryptamines ... but I think AMT is more MDMA-like once the first hour or two is over. The 5-MeO-MiPT never really developed into a full body and mind roll, just the body. The AMT, on the other hand, I took long before ever taking MDMA and my first roll, I remember comparing it directly with AMT.
One thing I really like about the 5-MeO-MiPT though was that it was devoid of practically any body load. Very very nice plus.
samadhi_smiles said:
Individual variance accounts for a lot of it. As does tolerance. Shulgin had a set period of time between experiences that was followed almost to the letter. A lot of people on BL tend to be just a tad bit more frequent in their drug dosings than Shulgin or his colleagues.
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Erowid states also there are people which are unusually sensitive to this material.I'm one of them,5mg of the base being a fully (enjoyable) psychedelic dose with even a short white out ala its DM cousin.Didn't think it is like the tryptamines answer to MDMA as some stated (AET is the original in this camp,MGS is right,but Moxy was simply invented much later) .The fundal absorption (judged from the extreme fast onset) could be the culprit for much more individual variance than on other compounds.
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there we are
on my look for a psychedelic that keeps you in touch with general reality
while supplying you the lovelyness of the tryptamine mindset, i came to the conclusion that dosing moxy every other day is the way to go. thats what ive been doing for the past months. if there are any questions, feel free to ask.
i have one of my own aswell. is there any fool proof method to get rid of the gas? once in a while i look like a starving child with a bloated stomach, which really craps out this wonderful substance :/
on my look for a psychedelic that keeps you in touch with general reality
while supplying you the lovelyness of the tryptamine mindset, i came to the conclusion that dosing moxy every other day is the way to go. thats what ive been doing for the past months. if there are any questions, feel free to ask.
i have one of my own aswell. is there any fool proof method to get rid of the gas? once in a while i look like a starving child with a bloated stomach, which really craps out this wonderful substance :/
Jabberwocky
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What are your dosages with this chem? Have some of the subjective effects disappeared after continual use or is the profile largely the same as when you started?
Take care!
SS
oh, for gas try some yoga postures, alternating forward bending, backbending, and twisting should rid you of any gas quickly!
Take care!
SS
oh, for gas try some yoga postures, alternating forward bending, backbending, and twisting should rid you of any gas quickly!
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the dosages depend on the frequency re-dosing. for example:
when i dose for days straight (with sleep inbetween) i raise the initial dose by this pattern: 7.5mg, 10mg, 12,5mg, 15mg. i dont go any higher than 15mg at once. i also take a 1-2 days break after 4 days straight. in the days, i might have a booster (2,5mg) later on, if i have something decent to do and dont need to catch any sleep soon. one of moxys characteristics i figured out is that if i get a steady supply of sensual input (such as music, people talking, tv, sometimes just a person whos awake sitting next to me) its virtually impossible to fall asleep. even hours and hours after the comedown. if i bring it on, keep redosing boosters and stay in a conversation or watching interresting documentaries on google video i can be widely awake and full of good spirits for days straight. especialy with a uplifting sativa once in a while. to me, this sounds like the right thing for people who want to cut back on their speed usage with a more healthy alternative.
three more word on applicationroutes:
if gently done, with indirect heat (on top of a glass plate with heat from below) from a indirect heat source (such as a hot air gun or a vaporizer) smoking isnt a waste. a more wasteful, but fantastic routine for social settings is to roll a good 10-20mg in a 80/20 (weed/tobacco) spliff. if you take deep puffs and dont exhale too fast, you are in. there might be an intense nausea out of nowhere, but it passes quickly. the last statement is valid for any smoking/vaporizing method. but nevermind, the "worst" thing that ever happend to me due smoking was sitting down for an hour, stunned and overwhelmed by euphoria and the most awesome body high. there is a hint of a strong dopamine-affecting stimulant (such as freebase or smoked methamphetamine), but im sure it is generic. otherwise there would be a hangover.
snorting, especialy in the +7mg region can yield similar effects to smoking, but is found to be very nasty by everybody who tried it. the nastyness is is quite a rat, the first couple of minutes its pretty cool. probably about the instant the effects kick in, the yuckiness starts. how very backstabbing. i dont go there too often.
eating, or sublingual application is by far the best. fast onset, better duration, good potency. i mostly just put it under my tounge and wash it down after a few minutes. way to go!
actually, for me the sparkle can go away after days straight, but it comes back just as quickly. even quicker. for example:
when i was out all weekend having fun, i really dont feel like redosing on monday/tuesday/wensday. after that im back to the source
let me talk about the sparkle itself: this stuff makes me a genuine improved person at next to no permanent negative side effects. sweet deal, eh? tryptamines are supposed to make you have wise decissions. if you acknowledge the effects, they cant harm you. you kind of automatically do whats good for you. if it wasnt wise for me to do it that often, i wouldnt do it. simply through the nature of the mindset im nearly constantly in. i feel very secure with this special "loophole". while the 4-er series disconnect you from general reality and therefor make them unsufficient for every day use, moxy keeps you just in place. to date, i see its harm potential with regular use lower than the harm potential of regular weed use. its a flawless, yet somewhat heavy (the freaking gas) sparkling gem you look at over and over again.
when i dose for days straight (with sleep inbetween) i raise the initial dose by this pattern: 7.5mg, 10mg, 12,5mg, 15mg. i dont go any higher than 15mg at once. i also take a 1-2 days break after 4 days straight. in the days, i might have a booster (2,5mg) later on, if i have something decent to do and dont need to catch any sleep soon. one of moxys characteristics i figured out is that if i get a steady supply of sensual input (such as music, people talking, tv, sometimes just a person whos awake sitting next to me) its virtually impossible to fall asleep. even hours and hours after the comedown. if i bring it on, keep redosing boosters and stay in a conversation or watching interresting documentaries on google video i can be widely awake and full of good spirits for days straight. especialy with a uplifting sativa once in a while. to me, this sounds like the right thing for people who want to cut back on their speed usage with a more healthy alternative.
three more word on applicationroutes:
if gently done, with indirect heat (on top of a glass plate with heat from below) from a indirect heat source (such as a hot air gun or a vaporizer) smoking isnt a waste. a more wasteful, but fantastic routine for social settings is to roll a good 10-20mg in a 80/20 (weed/tobacco) spliff. if you take deep puffs and dont exhale too fast, you are in. there might be an intense nausea out of nowhere, but it passes quickly. the last statement is valid for any smoking/vaporizing method. but nevermind, the "worst" thing that ever happend to me due smoking was sitting down for an hour, stunned and overwhelmed by euphoria and the most awesome body high. there is a hint of a strong dopamine-affecting stimulant (such as freebase or smoked methamphetamine), but im sure it is generic. otherwise there would be a hangover.
snorting, especialy in the +7mg region can yield similar effects to smoking, but is found to be very nasty by everybody who tried it. the nastyness is is quite a rat, the first couple of minutes its pretty cool. probably about the instant the effects kick in, the yuckiness starts. how very backstabbing. i dont go there too often.
eating, or sublingual application is by far the best. fast onset, better duration, good potency. i mostly just put it under my tounge and wash it down after a few minutes. way to go!
actually, for me the sparkle can go away after days straight, but it comes back just as quickly. even quicker. for example:
when i was out all weekend having fun, i really dont feel like redosing on monday/tuesday/wensday. after that im back to the source
let me talk about the sparkle itself: this stuff makes me a genuine improved person at next to no permanent negative side effects. sweet deal, eh? tryptamines are supposed to make you have wise decissions. if you acknowledge the effects, they cant harm you. you kind of automatically do whats good for you. if it wasnt wise for me to do it that often, i wouldnt do it. simply through the nature of the mindset im nearly constantly in. i feel very secure with this special "loophole". while the 4-er series disconnect you from general reality and therefor make them unsufficient for every day use, moxy keeps you just in place. to date, i see its harm potential with regular use lower than the harm potential of regular weed use. its a flawless, yet somewhat heavy (the freaking gas) sparkling gem you look at over and over again.
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