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The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-DALT Thread

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^ No, freebase does not to be converted to a salt for oral use. I believe all natural sources of psychoactives are freebase, such as mescaline in peyote and peyote is active orally.
 
I bough a gram of the white freebase dalt and started of very low by eye,i didnt notice much untill about 20mg snorted and 20mg bombed,.
I think this is best as an enhancer,whilst on 40mg i smoked some fresh opium on tinfoil and sniffed another 20mg roughly and the same size line and had a couple of coffees and a sensimilla spliff,now i was in a very good mood,definatly an enhancer,not as strong as amt but just as good in different ways,you dont need to plan ahead with this one,,before i knew it i was dancing eratically,the caffeine from the coffee was significantly pronounced,very good with good weed,im going to roll another spliff with a coffee with another line before bed,you cant do that with other tryptamines.I like it,I see it could be used wisely.
 
love_sex_desire said:
^ No, freebase does not to be converted to a salt for oral use. I believe all natural sources of psychoactives are freebase, such as mescaline in peyote and peyote is active orally.
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Actually im pretty sure that the majority of naturally occuring psychedelics are salts. Based on the fact that the extraction process requires bassifying the solution in order to freebase the molecules so they can be pulled by the solvent.

I know this is the case with DMT , am pretty sure its the case with mescaline as well.

Actually, I think they occur as a mixture of various salts and freebase forms in nature.

To be honest, I dont have a reference for this other than logic + experience, but if someone has a reference pointing otherwise I would love to see it.


Sorry for the off topic post.
 
^your intuition is correct-- most natural sources of alkaloids will be found in salt form. this is because the pH inside a plant is usually close to neutral, where the basic nitrogen of an alkaloid will definitely be protonated as in a salt. The counterions could be anything, but most likely organic carboxylates like acetate, citrate, or oxalate.
 
^ Interesting, I always figured freebase seemed to be the "natural" form of a chemical, but considering how plant specimens found from ancient historical sites still had psychoative chemicals present in the plant specimens indicates that they must have been a stable salt rather than an unstable freebase.

Regardless, freebase does not have to be converted to a salt to consume orally, but freebase has to be converted into a salt such as hydrochloride in order to dissolve it in liquid to plug rectally.
 
Voyager

Early results on my humble rat brain are mostly positive when vaped off tin foil in small amounts of about 15mg. The taste of this sparkling white powder is like Fruit Loops with a rubber cement chaser. The worst taste seems to come when a hit is overly burned; it melts and vapes easily so keep those lighters a good distance from the foil.

The first minute can be a fairly trippy/speedy rush with color saturation, uphoria, tidings of comfort and joy. Slight sweating which wears off quickly, as do all the effects. Body load is otherwise light. Clear head space, nothing like LSD, MDMA or shrooms. Increasing dose to trip balls isn't what this substance seems to be about. Gets to a point where physical unpleasantness overshadows the high.

A good street name for this might be "Voyager." Not because you are in for a trip, but in the way that Star Trek Voyager is like Star Trek Lite -- only half the intellectual calories of the original show.

Looking forward to eating some for a steadier, longer journey, although I gather that this freebase form requires higher doses than the brownish salt.

This is my first post. Thanks for the great information around here, and it's a pleasure meeting all of you. Peace.
 
I'm curious if anyone knows what action 5-meo-dalt has on neurochemistry... which receptors it works on?

Also, being a trypt, would this substance cause cross tolerance with others, say 4-aco-dmt or one of the 2c's?

I'm wondering what it would be good with in combo aside from cannabinoids (which does indeed go nicely).
 
75mg oral

75mg of bright white crystallic powder in a capsule on an empty stomach. First physical effects after about 15min, pressure on the chest, weird feeling in whole body. In about 30min change in colors, everything more plastic, but without any other visuals. I've been communicating with one person whole experience and there had been some time window when thoughts started to split to parallel and were flying too fast (like lower doses of stronger trypts) to be able to express anything. That window lasted for about half an hour and then the communication continued without any significant problems. As this compound has been used for communication, I would say 50mg (or even less) would be ideal.
The bodyload was there, but very acceptable. No significant euphoria, overall feelings were neutral. There have been only very slight changes in colors and some very simple OEV. Empathy not very strong but still quite nice.
I would use this chemical for communication with other people, just with lower doses (<50mg oral). For any deeper experiences there are much better tools with much lower doses.
 
aldare said:
75mg of bright white crystallic powder in a capsule on an empty stomach. First physical effects after about 15min, pressure on the chest, weird feeling in whole body. In about 30min change in colors, everything more plastic, but without any other visuals. I've been communicating with one person whole experience and there had been some time window when thoughts started to split to parallel and were flying too fast (like lower doses of stronger trypts) to be able to express anything. That window lasted for about half an hour and then the communication continued without any significant problems. As this compound has been used for communication, I would say 50mg (or even less) would be ideal.
The bodyload was there, but very acceptable. No significant euphoria, overall feelings were neutral. There have been only very slight changes in colors and some very simple OEV. Empathy not very strong but still quite nice.
I would use this chemical for communication with other people, just with lower doses (<50mg oral). For any deeper experiences there are much better tools with much lower doses.
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I agree with you that doses of >50mg can be as effective as higher doses and for me there doesn't seem to be a lot of difference between say 25mg and 75mg. I recently took 30mg with one friend who took the same dose and another friend who took 15mg. This was the first time that I had taken it with other people and for the others it was a first time experience. It was at the end of an evening and we had all consumed several alcoholic drinks over the course of the night. I'd suggested that we take it while we were out, in a club environment, but the others were wary as it was their first time. Normally I feel the first alerts within 15 minutes but this time it took around 30 minutes for the effects to be felt. Then it was the usual quick come up and the peak was hit within 45 minutes. We all noticed considerable time distortion at the 60 minute mark where time slowed down and we were all convinced it was much later than it actually was. The two of us on 30mg stayed put in our seats whereas the person on 15mg was much more lively and declared she had found her ideal 'disco dose' and would have been happy to have taken it in the club. I wasn't aware of much in the way of visual distortion whilst I was talking with my friends but whenever I left the room to do something I became very aware that I was 'on something'. The mosaic tiles in the bathroom were a source of fascination and I was immersed in the textures of the towels. The whole trip lasted just over three hours before we decided to go to bed. There were some CEV but sleep came quickly, although there were some muscle twitches and tremors, something I have noticed before with this substance. Incidentally at around the two hour mark we all developed munchies and got stuck into the contents of the fridge so there were no appetite problems.

In conclusion, we all had a good time, we felt we should try it again in the daytime and also not be concerned about doing it in public at these doses. I am now eager to discover my own 'disco dose' and will experiment with 12 to 15 mg, which is in the range originally described by Shulgin.
 
I will definitely try these low doses as well, I need to find the perfect dose for chatting.
Anyway, is there anyone who has long-term experience with repeated use of 5-meo-dalt and other tryptamines as well? How is the tolerance of 5-meo and how is cross tolerance with other tryptamines? I've found in this forum it shouldn't be significant, but what about the experience?
 
in my limited experience, i can tell you that it does have some cross tolerance with mushrooms...

if taken 3 days before the mushie trip it diminised the effects (especially the visual ones sadly)
if taken 3 days after a mushroom trip i just got a slight mood lift at my usual dose.

but i dont have that many trips to talk about nor am i that frecuent of a user. now ive left mushrooms for special occasions and only use 5meo dalt about once a month if that. better to space things out
 
Exploring low doses

I decided to find how low I could dose with 5-MeO-DALT and still have a meaningful experience. The first time that I ever tried it I had taken 25mg orally and had the full effects, and my partner had recently taken 15mg and had a good time. I measured out 15mg and split it into half, then measured one half into two thin lines which I insufflated. I did this simply because I enjoy this way of taking powders and I hadn't read any reports of anyone trying it with 5-MeO-DALT so I wanted to see whether it would be effective as I had previously tried smoking it and hated that. I was surprised that snorting it wasn't painful and the smell of the powder was hardly noticeable. After I had finished the lines there was what I estimate as a few mg sticking to the mirror which I dabbed. The onset was no quicker than taking it orally and I began to think that nothing much was going to happen so I dabbed a bit more and I went and lay down by the pool and dozed off. After about half an hour I woke up and looked at the sky and noticed that all of the cloud formations were going fractal and doing that 'cloud wars' stuff where they plough into each other, tear apart and reform into different patterns. I felt extremely mellow and just lay back smiling for a while. I found this to be the perfect social dose, I was able to converse completely naturally with people who had no idea that I had taken something and this did not disturb my warm glowing feeling. It was kind of like being high on cannabis without feeling stoned, it was easy to switch into and out of the psychedelic head space.

My conclusion is that for me lower doses are the way to go, as I probably only had 10 to 12 mg in total. This stuff is great for lazy afternoons or for watching a sunset.
 
Silverfox said:
I decided to find how low I could dose with 5-MeO-DALT and still have a meaningful experience. The first time that I ever tried it I had taken 25mg orally and had the full effects, and my partner had recently taken 15mg and had a good time. I measured out 15mg and split it into half, then measured one half into two thin lines which I insufflated. I did this simply because I enjoy this way of taking powders and I hadn't read any reports of anyone trying it with 5-MeO-DALT so I wanted to see whether it would be effective as I had previously tried smoking it and hated that. I was surprised that snorting it wasn't painful and the smell of the powder was hardly noticeable. After I had finished the lines there was what I estimate as a few mg sticking to the mirror which I dabbed. The onset was no quicker than taking it orally and I began to think that nothing much was going to happen so I dabbed a bit more and I went and lay down by the pool and dozed off. After about half an hour I woke up and looked at the sky and noticed that all of the cloud formations were going fractal and doing that 'cloud wars' stuff where they plough into each other, tear apart and reform into different patterns. I felt extremely mellow and just lay back smiling for a while. I found this to be the perfect social dose, I was able to converse completely naturally with people who had no idea that I had taken something and this did not disturb my warm glowing feeling. It was kind of like being high on cannabis without feeling stoned, it was easy to switch into and out of the psychedelic head space.

My conclusion is that for me lower doses are the way to go, as I probably only had 10 to 12 mg in total. This stuff is great for lazy afternoons or for watching a sunset.
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Is your stuff smelling strong as it is characteristic for this chemical? Didn't the smell stayed (unpleasant) in your nose after snorting?
 
By what i have read 5-meo-dalt seems to be pretty shit,now that may be a bit harsh of me to say,but it`s NOT that popular.

I`m thinking that with all the researchers out there at the moment that if this 5-meo-dalt was any good it would be top of the list all day every day,but it isn`t.

I dare say that many people have tried it and if they haven`t then why? The reason i haven`t is because of the write ups,there is nothing that jumps out at me and says this is the tryptamine version of MDMA...Oh actually there is one report that hints at this which was written many years ago on erowid,but thats it,just one report,hardly conclusive.

Either most of the material doing the rounds is total bunk or the erowid write up was a rare one off experience that hasn`t been recreated.I know every ones chemistry is different and certain chems work in different ways,but in general most compounds have a set of recognised effects.

Is it that 5-meo-dalt is just hit and miss,but mostly miss?
 
I actually like this chem a whole lot. It really is like a lot of people said, you need to dose high. I gotta take like 150-200 mg and then smoke some when it hits me. Everything in my vision melted into a bunch of fractals.

One of the great things about it is that it doesn't last that long.
 
For me, 70mg of 5-meo-dalt and 5 mg of aco-dmt produced a nice light but very euphoric trip. Seemed to have a good synergy and I'll try this combo at a somewhat higher dose in the future.
 
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By what i have read 5-meo-dalt seems to be pretty shit,now that may be a bit harsh of me to say,but it`s NOT that popular.

I`m thinking that with all the researchers out there at the moment that if this 5-meo-dalt was any good it would be top of the list all day every day,but it isn`t.

I dare say that many people have tried it and if they haven`t then why? The reason i haven`t is because of the write ups,there is nothing that jumps out at me and says this is the tryptamine version of MDMA...Oh actually there is one report that hints at this which was written many years ago on erowid,but thats it,just one report,hardly conclusive.

Either most of the material doing the rounds is total bunk or the erowid write up was a rare one off experience that hasn`t been recreated.I know every ones chemistry is different and certain chems work in different ways,but in general most compounds have a set of recognised effects.

Is it that 5-meo-dalt is just hit and miss,but mostly miss?
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I'd hardly describe it as shit and the only way to decide whether you think it worthwhile is to try it. If you are looking for a full-on acid trip you'll be disappointed. If you are looking for a face-chewing roll you'll be disappointed. But if you are looking for a mild short-lived psychedelic experience give it a try.
 
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