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The Big & Dandy 5-APB Thread

Removed a couple of posts. Let's stay on topic and discuss 5-APB not peoples' spelling ;)

dc710, when you've done 5-APB alone at 60mg, how much empathy and touch enhancement did you experience? For me 5-APB feels mostly all serotonergic, lacking much of any dopaminergic stimulation, but the serotonin push leads to incredibly enhanced touch and lots of typical feelings of empathy and love - since for me 5-APB is less about the pure rushy euphoria of 6-APB, MDMA etc and more about the bonding and touch, what dose do you guys feel these effects begin at? :)
 
What is a good dose of this? Have read it's more potent at low doses compared with 6-APB. Experienced with 6-APB
 
I've tried doses of 5 ranging 30mg to 180mg. All depends on the strength of the batch. Currently, I have really shitty stuff so not even 180 does the trick. However, my first time with a good strong batch I took 70mg to begin followed by a 50mg top-up. That was more than enough. In comparison, my favourite dose of 6-APB is around the 150 mark.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, try combining 5 with 6. It is lovely. 5 gives me the push and 6 all the lovely feelings and trippiness. In combination I've tried various doses. The craziest was 180 of 5 and 190 of 6 (over a few hours). A nice dose would be 50 of 5 and a 100 of 6. Anyway, have fun and stay safe.
 
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I love 5apb and as stated by many is definitely a more relaxed affair with gentle waves of mild euphoria that flow consistently and pleasantly at doses of 100mg without any "push" or excessive body load. I find that my headspace is generally clearer on 5apb aswell which makes it ideal for a cheeky weeknight session or for when you find yourself in a situation where being off your nut isn't exactly appropriate or will land you in trouble ;) I find it MUCH easier to sleep on 5apb, it comes completely naturally with no need of benzos as apposed to 6apb which will leave me clammering for the etizolam when I wanna call it a night.

A combo of 100mg 5apb and 120mg 6apb is a fantastic combo, split into 2 doses, dropping the 2nd dose 2 hours into the first bomb of 50/60 works absolute wonders if you wanna add a little spice to the 5apb experience.

I find that 5apb on it's own lacks the "magic" of straight 6apb though. 200mg+ of 6apb will have me in absolute bliss with lovely shifting colours and patterns occuring but will also leave me a complete mess talking absolute shit and generally unable to perform any given task other than hug things/grin like an idiot.

For some reason though straight 5apb doesn't give me brain zaps and other unwanted comedown effects like straight 6apb does, which can often linger for a good few days! Which is the only thing I dislike about 6apb!
 
Jesusgreen said:
Removed a couple of posts. Let's stay on topic and discuss 5-APB not peoples' spelling ;)

dc710, when you've done 5-APB alone at 60mg, how much empathy and touch enhancement did you experience? For me 5-APB feels mostly all serotonergic, lacking much of any dopaminergic stimulation, but the serotonin push leads to incredibly enhanced touch and lots of typical feelings of empathy and love - since for me 5-APB is less about the pure rushy euphoria of 6-APB, MDMA etc and more about the bonding and touch, what dose do you guys feel these effects begin at? :)
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I'm not sure tbh, not a massive amount of touch enhancement. But definitely music enhancement, as is common with the APB's even at this dose. Music is just so good on this stuff it's untrue! On the subject of empathy, yes some for sure wanting to message or speak to friends things like that. I've said it before but I'm very sensitive to MD type compounds, so 60mg for me may be more like 100mg for someone else. I've done 100mg of this and found it very intense, and the come up was a little rough..

If I may go back to my experience of combining it with 5-IT. This felt like a very synergistic combination. As I'd hoped the 5-IT gave the 5-APB a stimulated push without being too invasive. Although perhaps it may have reduced some of the APB headspace slightly (?). One thing it did was extend the high for both chems, I was still high many hours after dosing, went out for the night with friends after dosing around mid afternoon and just had saucer eyes the entire night. Did feel a little self conscious at times. But alcohol helped with that ;)
 
dc710 said:
I'm not sure tbh, not a massive amount of touch enhancement. But definitely music enhancement, as is common with the APB's even at this dose. Music is just so good on this stuff it's untrue! On the subject of empathy, yes some for sure wanting to message or speak to friends things like that. I've said it before but I'm very sensitive to MD type compounds, so 60mg for me may be more like 100mg for someone else. I've done 100mg of this and found it very intense, and the come up was a little rough..

If I may go back to my experience of combining it with 5-IT. This felt like a very synergistic combination. As I'd hoped the 5-IT gave the 5-APB a stimulated push without being too invasive. Although perhaps it may have reduced some of the APB headspace slightly (?). One thing it did was extend the high for both chems, I was still high many hours after dosing, went out for the night with friends after dosing around mid afternoon and just had saucer eyes the entire night. Did feel a little self conscious at times. But alcohol helped with that ;)
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If you're looking for 5-APB but with a bit more push would it not be worth trying a combo with a small amount of methiopropamine or say camfetamine as they are almost crystal clear stimulant but with plenty of "OOMPH" and don't act on serotonin and therefore safer than combining with 5-IT? Think that is a combo I'd be more inclined to try.

To be honest if you're looking for an MDMA like experience that isn't nearly so intense, but with plenty of joy and euphoria you should also look into the MDAI+Methiopropamine combo. This has by far been my weapon of choice for some many many months now until recently when I have gotten a real flavour for dissociatives :)
 
I had a small amount of MDA and 5-APB left - 40mg of MDA and 60mg of 5-APB. Is there any risk in combining those two? I'm mainly concerned with serotonin syndrome, but these are quite low doses of each chem. Could any 5-meo-mipt enhance it at all?
 
jookie said:
I had a small amount of MDA and 5-APB left - 40mg of MDA and 60mg of 5-APB. Is there any risk in combining those two? I'm mainly concerned with serotonin syndrome, but these are quite low doses of each chem. Could any 5-meo-mipt enhance it at all?
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I don't think there would be any risk at those doses. I also think those doses together would be enough to provide a rather full and pleasant experience, since with these sorts of combinations it's often good to take half your normal dose of each compound to make up for the fact you're taking 2+ different compounds. I can't comment on this exact combination, b ut when I combined 6-APB and 5-APB at 100mg and 50mg respectively, I found it a LOT stronger than 150mg of 6-APB alone, maybe closer to the 200-250 range, but with fewer side-effects.
 
Can you get to sleep on the comedown from 5-apb or are you laid awake for 20 hours like 6-apb?
 
This is one for the HARM REDUCTION category:
A large Euro vendor has been sending out 5-APB the last few days which may very well NOT be 5-APB. I know because I received some and was contacted by the vendor. A very tiny group of people seem to have bought this and the vendor mailed them all, AFAIK. Still, I thought I would share this warning here, better safe than sorry right.
 
I think it's aloud to say the vendors name when the content contains serious risk to the users health.
 
Well, the general description that I gave, together with the fact that this vendor seems to be right on top of the mat-hatter and has sent communications in a professional no-nonsense way toward all their clients that purchased said compound, should be sufficient for those involved to recognize (or at least question) if this concerns them. So when in doubt, leave it be for now and postpone your research a bit.
Naming the vendor therefore seems a bit inappropriate and drastic to me, allowed or not (which I don't know). I'm not affiliated with them in any way, but I don't want to bring that company into a position that could potentially draw a lot of negative attention to them (and I even say that partially out of self-interest for me and for us as a research community), while it could very well be a case of mislabelling of product/misrepresentation of lab results that this vendor merely received from their supplier and/or lab. Wouldn't be 100% their fault then. These things are simply not known at this stage.
The reason for me posting this warning, is that I can imagine people not always reading their mail all the time, but they might check the B&D thread to see the latest news or experiences or check RoA's and dosage regarding 5-APB. So this is just an extra means, on top of what the vendor did, to bring this under the attention of this specific tiny group of researchers (who I think mostly know who they are by now, at least I hope so). If mods want to place more prominent warnings, be my guest. There will probably be more detailed info in a few days I suppose.
 
i tried this for the 1st time last night. Had 100mg that i got as a free sample. split it up into 4 doses and put them in capsules.

1st dose i had in the pub at about 8pm. felt amazingly alert after an hour or so. nicely chilled too. few small waves of something over the body. pleasant

had 2nd couple hours later. as i was drinking too i just seemed to feel tipsy.

So had the 3rd. then the 4th about 1am i think . Was soon feeling sort of 'liquid' in my movement if you get me :D head a bit mashed up. but still totally in control of myself. corner of eye hallucinations, eye wobbles in time with bass on the club sound system, few crazy sort of shifting effects with the strobe lights. music sounded brilliant. alcohol no longer needed. just water

Id say after the 3rd and 4th it was a gradual come-up to a peak that started to feel a bit uncomfortable, but then levelled out

rolled out of the club at 5am, had a burger, then went home and slept pretty good for few hours. Neither of which i can normally do on my normal ethylphenidate!

All in all, a decent experience. Will try again
 
Ismene said:
Can you get to sleep on the comedown from 5-apb or are you laid awake for 20 hours like 6-apb?
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On 5-APB it's a lot easier. 5-APB feels almost purely serotonergic to me as I've said before and I even find myself yawning a lot during the high - though I find it doubtful that I could fall asleep during the peak.

Also with 6-APB did you redose/take a rather large dose? Because the residual stimulation does last a while, but the longest I've been awake even when I took a total of 250mg (150mg and then a 100mg redose) was 14 hours from time of dosing to time of sleep. I usually find at around the 11-12 hour mark I'm ready to sleep though it can be difficult.

With 5-APB I can fall asleep at the 8-9 hour mark pretty much right after the effects wear off.
 
I'm on the case JG, hopefully giving it a go this weekend so I'll keep you posted.

You think there's a noticeable difference in the high between 6 and 5 then? Interesting.
 
Definitely.

6-APB felt like a well rounded roll but with more of a stimulating push than MDMA, a longer duration, and some very light visuals, along with a comedown that is a little rough for me with higher doses, and some residual stimulation before you can sleep.

5-APB on the other hand felt lacking in itself had I been expecting the 6-APB experience. There was very little of any stimulation, and I felt very floored by the effects with little desire to move or anything. I also didn't have the constant rushes of "Oh my god I feel so good".. HOWEVER, touch felt much more enhanced on 5-APB than on 6-APB, and my empathy was through the roof.

We have monoamine release values for 5-APDB and 6-APDB, which show that 5-APDB releases significantly more serotonin with MUCH less effect on dopamine, while 6-APDB is very dopaminergic (moreso than MDMA iirc, but don't quote me on that, I'm too lazy to double check) with less serotonin release. This is what I suspected explained the difference between 6-APB and 5-APB when I tried them both, so since seeing the release values I'm convinced.
 
Jesusgreen, I'm really excited about your posts. I feel that 6-APB feels really good, and in fact me and my friends love it - we feel it is pretty comparable to MDMA (I had a good source for it), however I agree with you it was more Euphoric, with not as much Empathy. I had just heard forever that 5-APB was just a dirty stimulant, inferior to 6-APB, however if you are saying that 5-APB brings out the empathy (loving, hugging, talking, smiling, friendship, etc) when combined with 6-APB, I am VERY EXCITED. Now I just need to dig through some sources to see who has the best stuff these days, since certain vendors no longer ship to the USA. Grr.
 
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