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The Big & Dandy 4-MeO-PCP Thread

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Thanks fastandbulbous, I appreciate your concern. Im still contemplating this way of ingestion. I am worried that it will be a bit too overwhelming for a dissociative high. When, or if I do try this route of administration I am only going to try a small bit to test the waters.
If I do though Ill report back to here about how it went!
 
Yeah, be careful about wondering on 4-meo-pcp. Even on moderate doses (170mg - was moderate for me) the ability to function physically was greatly impaired-imagine what it must have felt like to be hunter s. Thompson in fear and loathing, and that is what it feels like. My friend and I were walking unbelievably uncoordinated and outlandish.
 
I don't understand all this talk of super-long lasting 4-MeO-PCP 'afterglow' or 'hangover' effects. I personally find it easier to sleep on (after) than with Ketamine...

280mg, plugged, will send you rocketing deep into a P-Hole within 15 minutes if you set the right conditions (i.e. dim lights, if not pitch black; lying comfortably etc..) and lasts probably the best part of 2-3hrs, with a slightly rubbish-y DXM-style feeling lingering for another 2-4hrs after the comedown... Which is hardly a comedown anyway, as it just sort of drifts away as with Ketamine.

Perhaps it takes time to get used to it. Unlike Ketamine, a person dosed on 350mg of Phreak Dust can resist a P-Hole and just wallow in ultimate dissociation, and perhaps this is where the extended time effect comes from. Having used 4-MeO-PCP a number of times, many times, and with doses nearing ~400mg plugged, I have found that, unless you submit to the P-Hole, you will find yourself stuck in a "living dissociation"; this is what I think people may be mistaking as this crazy-long duration... Just a hypothesis.

A P-Hole is nothing like a K-Hole. Well, in a sense, it's exactly like a K-Hole (complete shift in reality and a movement into a 3rd person perspective), but it's 10x more pronounced with 4-MeO-PCP than with Ket. It last for hours, not just 40 odd minutes and it a LOT more tactile and full of movement and clearer, more vivid, and more red imagery*.

I'm not saying I don't believe these reports here, because - of course - they're subjective and there seems to be a trend appearing. Or at least in the slightly older posts. I think perhaps those who have had either "neutral" or "negative" experiences with this RC may want to give it another go, but be willing to fully commit themselves to the drug rather than just 'testing the water'. Plug, lights off, lie down would be my advice.

Of course, I am only saying this hypothetically. I do not advocate the use of this chemical whatsoever :)


* This is not just me; it seems to be a distinct facet of 4-MeO-PCP that there is a heavy red tint to all OEV's and CEV's (in much the same way mushrooms do). Or at least a certain synth back maybe a year ago, but I have a feeling it is to do with the substance itself...
 
Interesting poastage...

I personally never noted a red tint on any of my visuals. Then again I have tolerance issues.

I felt myself nearing a sort of P-hole before I started coming down so freakin fast. I've been in what I'd consider a dex-hole where I just floated around and wandered. Usually these lasted a brief period of time but I'd have multiples.

Never did K so cant compare that.
 
delsymfan said:
Interesting poastage...

I personally never noted a red tint on any of my visuals. Then again I have tolerance issues.

I felt myself nearing a sort of P-hole before I started coming down so freakin fast. I've been in what I'd consider a dex-hole where I just floated around and wandered. Usually these lasted a brief period of time but I'd have multiples.

Never did K so cant compare that.
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Maybe you should try Ket and then you can make the comparison...? If you've done Dex, K and Phreak Dust then you'll be able to appreciate the 'new level' of dissociation that - I personally feel - 4-MeO-PCP brings to the table.

As for the potency issues, fastandbulbous: I'm not trying to draw any parallels between the 4-Methoxy- group and pure Phencyclidine (though I am sure 3-Methoxy- would be a lot closer to the real thing, and am certainly interested in that, despite some careful warnings regarding caution w/ dosage), but I personally have an extremely high tolerance to K (750mg+ for a reasonable K-Hole), so the extra price tag for a 2hr or more delve into some even crazier realm of total dissociation is definitely worth it :D
 
PhreakEDIT said:
I personally have an extremely high tolerance to K (750mg+ for a reasonable K-Hole)
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this interests me, since I also have high tolerance for ketamine (I generally need 300-400 mg S-ketamine nasally to hole). 4-MeO-PCP affects you more or less normally, so there seems to be not that much cross tolerance? up to now, I feared that it would take me also huge doses of 4-MeO-PCP because of my high ketamin tolerance.

did you always have your extremely high k tolerance, or was it aquired through extensive use?
 
^ Surely with 300-400mg of powder up your nose, not all of it will be asbnsorbed theough the nasal mucosa. I need about 300mg of ket IM to hole, which is why I've stopped using for the forseeable future (that amount lends itself to bladder/gall bladder problems, which I've expreienced a couple of times and have no desire to experience ever again)
 
ungelesene_bettlek said:
4-MeO-PCP affects you more or less normally, so there seems to be not that much cross tolerance?
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My reports confirm that it cross tolerates with DXM..

What I wonder then, is does DXM build NDMA receptor tolerance? Therefore, by taking a ton of DXM early on, you've built tolerance for all dissociatives.
 
to not have childs. is that kinda snobby?
now to something completely different: 4-meo-pcp feels like a time extended ketamine trip! tho don't know pcp :(
it's like right before kholing for over 12 hours. or like kholing with much more senses. even more sense over the own body. the mind is free and agile like on k. now, 19 hours after the first IV shot, 15 hours after the last IV shot, it comes to an end slowly. but even now, i'm able to arrange me in the "mind-environment" as solid as i want it.
 
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I still have some that i never tried.
I have seen 100-150 mg is considered an average starting dose. What do you think? What would be the duration for this dosage ?
Is snorting more efficient than oral ? By a big margin or not ?
 
fastandbulbous said:
That's a considerable drop in potency compared with PCP (it's even less potent than ketamine! 8o). The 3-methoxy version seems a much better bet as it's only fractionally less potent than the parent compound, requiring only 15-20mg to get the full effects
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Well actually it takes only about 8mg 3-MeO-PCP for full effects,considering its effects are by far more complex and diverse than just NMDA blockage.A hole has not been found yet though,but it could indeed be at 15-20mg.
 
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