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The Big & Dandy 4-MeO-PCP Thread

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Coolio said:
Expensive? How so? Compared to ketamine, the price/performance ratio is very high. I can't find ketamine any cheaper, and it only lasts an hour instead of 12.
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Funny how you processed the time into the value. I kinda feel like there is a curve. 1-2 hours is equal to 12-14 in my mind, while 6-8 is perfect.

Hence why I think I'd rather buy 2c-e over 2c-c, but dont want 2-cb-fly which lasts too long.

But if the 12 hours is very enjoyable.. welll I'll be letting you know tomorrow as its goin down tonight.
 
Well... heres whats up.

Threw down about 165mg of 4-meo-pcp at 5:45. Started working in about an hour. Felt great for an hour.

And while its still in my system, it just doesnt feel like it is doing much anymore. The good effects from the beginning are passed. I dont know whats up here, cause ya'll done said it works forever. It was great when it started, but now its just like I'm buzzing and quite frankly dont see much happening.

Possible DXM cross tolerance?

Update: Yalls can see my TR: Here

Basically I felt baseline in 4 hours.
 
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I have never taken a dissociative, but am somewhat experienced with a number of psychedelics. Would 4-Meo-PCP be a good introduction to them?
 
It's somewhat unresearched and there's not a lot of information to go on. I'd wait for responses from more experienced users but ketamine seems to be the dissociative of choice for many.
 
I've been trying to find Phenylcyclohexylpiperidine for quite some time now. Though I've found 4-methoxy-PCP, an analog to PCP itself with essentially the same effects, 70% the potency (5mg of PCP = 7mg of 4-meo-PCP) and slightly less duration. I may just get that eventually, despite it having less neurotoxcicity than PCP, it's still neurotoxic, as all dissociatives are. Boo
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Got this off another forum. From what I've read here, the 5mg PCP = 7mg 4-MeO PCP dosage comparison given is so far wrong it would be comical if it weren't so serious. 5mg PcP = 70mg 4-MeO PCP is closer to the mark. Makes me wonder if what they have isn't 3-methoxy PCP, asd that's about the correct dose comparison (although 3-methoxy PCP is more than just a dissociative - it has a lot of other interesting things going on that PCP, ketamine etc lack)
 
From my experience, it was pleasant. Its also more easily accessible. Shame my tolerance boofed it down early.

DXM is also an option. Easy to get and cheap. And fun, for some. Not everybody likes it.
 
I am going to be purchasing a gram of this next Friday when I get my paycheck. Im excited to test this new chemical out for I love dissociatives. Well, err I have a lot of experience with DXM and tried K once but didn't get too high.

Anywho, I was wondering how water soluble this chemical is? I think I am going to try IVing this stuff. What do you guys think would be a good dose to start out with for IV?
 
I wouldnt IV it dude.. Not so fast. You honestly would likely be the first ever.

If you choose to try this please go about it very slowly and cautiously. Start with little doses.

Anyway it seems that it goes into water fairly easily, as I was able to put 1 gram in 100ml of water. Didnt try to condense it any more but it didnt take a lot of effort to mix it in
 
All things are subject to some metabolism in the gut which is the general idea of having a mouth to put food into.

IV should probably start really small since this chem is essentially very new on the scene.

I'd be willing to provide an IM report in the near future though. Thing is my liquids so diluted I'll have to let it condense more. Dont need to put 15ml's of liquid into my leg.
 
A friend of mine has IV:d this substance. He says you need a smaller dosage than oral but the effects are pretty much same.
 
Does anyone know about the stability for this substance? And does it keep for an extended period of time in solution? I might get a sample but postpone the trial.
 
Judging from 15 years old PCP,it should be very stable,a slight discoloration over time though is possible probably from light (the methoxi group in 4-MeO-PCP makes it a bit more electronrich and possibly a bit more prone to oxidation/UV degradation but I doubt its relevant.Altough I never kept solutions for long.

Solutions of its 3-Methoxylated cousin I have kept for weeks without problems.I wouldn't worry if stored in the dark.
 
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All things are subject to some metabolism in the gut which is the general idea of having a mouth to put food into.
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The gut only starts metabolism on a few drugs (like those vunerable to MAO - which is there to deal with tyramine from certain foods) where they undergo metabolism by enzymes in the gut that break down food (that's why peptide drugs like endorphins aren't active orally - they get treated like proteins & cleaved by enzymes like typsin). Something like THC taken orally is not degraded by any enzyme in the GI tract & plenty of other drugs pass into the bloodstream unchanged.

Of course all the blood from the gut goes straight to the liver via the hepatic portal vein and lots of drugs get metabolized by the liver
 
Gotcha.. Point was, that ideally stuff is designed to get processed by the body.

And so far mines been in a water solution for 2 weeks in the dark no problem. Seems safe.
 
Be very careful with IV as the dissociative state can be a bit overwhelming in onset. I've only ever IMed dissociatives, but there were times when it all started to get a bit too much; I imagine that quality would be hugely amplified via the IV route. Also, unlike ketamine, with PCP & relatives, you get this urge to get up and wander about - OK with smaller doses, but you really don't want to be wandering around too much after a big dose, or sudden onset like through IV admin, as it's just too easy to fuck up due to the dreaded dissociative clumsiness (comes from having sensory input like where your limbs are relative to your body - propioception - suppressed to the point of extinction). At least with ket it pins you to the chair/bed and generally discourages you from trying to move much at all; worst thing that usually happens with ket is you spill your drink all over yourself! =D
 
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