The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MiPT Thread - Part 1

[Xorkoth]

I've actually seen quite a few posts from him since then about responsible harm reduction, especially regarding scales and dosing.

 

[who]

harm reduction in action. too bad it took him,and atleast one of his friends, much mental anguish before he finaly got it. glad to hear he is now safe with these very dose sensitive compounds

 

[Morninggloryseed]

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i ingested 12mg of miprocin at roughly 1:20 pm. an hour passes, and nothing happens. two hours pass and nothing happens. then a thrid has passed and i'm thinking, i got burned or it's a bad batch, but atleast i won't be a raving loon now that my significant other is home, and then bam 3hrs 20min after ingestion i'm hit with an almost immediate +2 which climbs to a soft +3. needless to say i held it together just fine since we were just watching movies and laying on the couch, but damn was that a long come up with absolutly no body warnings of the impending visual and mental circus that was coming at me. strange ehh?

Did your sig other know you were tripping, or did you hide it from this person. If the latter, it was probably fate trying to get you to see that lying/hiding who you are, and what you like to do, from those you 'love' is wrong and the hallmark of a dysfunctional relationship built upon lies. If this person did know, then perhaps food slowed absorbtion?

 

[who]

Did your sig other know you were tripping, or did you hide it from this person. If the latter, it was probably fate trying to get you to see that lying/hiding who you are, and what you like to do, from those you 'love' is wrong and the hallmark of a dysfunctional relationship built upon lies. If this person did know, then perhaps food slowed absorbtion?

she doesn't mind, but when i'm on heavier trips i think the whole looking not quite there thing bothers her. she had afew bad trips and the thought of tripping her causes her some anxiety. i did try and dose so that i would be past the peak by the time she arrived home since i did not want to cause undue stress on her. also, i didn't eat until she got home later that evening. her mom is visting so, a friend and i are gonna go out to our favorite spot to trip out in the woods and see how round two goes.

 

[Jaw Clenching]

Is anyone able to comment on the different salts of 4-HO-MiPT that are available?


To me it seems that the fumarate salt as well as the freebase take much longer to reach effects (1 hour+) compared to the hydrochloride salt (litterally 15min).

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

i would be interested in dose comparisons with shrooms. for example, my only 4-HO-MiPT experience yet (with 20 mg of the fumarate salt) was approximately comparable in intensity with 2-2,5 g of dried psilocybe cubensis.

 

[Psychedelics_r_best]

I believe insufflating the fumarate salt of this compound to be of less value than it would be to just consume it orally. Insufflation appears to be less efficient in producing desired effect and maximizes unfavorable physical conditions such as nausea.

Does anyone else have any information on insufflation of the fumarate salt in regards to my belief that it seems to produce less satisfactory results than when consumed orally at comparable dosages?

Of course this is all based on hypothetical infromation derived from lab analysis, so don't go ingesting this compound into your body. =)

 

[Boognish]

Is anyone able to comment on the different salts of 4-HO-MiPT that are available?


To me it seems that the fumarate salt as well as the freebase take much longer to reach effects (1 hour+) compared to the hydrochloride salt (litterally 15min).

I can't comment on the hcl salt, but I've been working with the fumarate salt of miprocin recently. For me, at a moderate dosage, it's like clockwork everytime; t+15mins: first effects are felt (+1), t+30mins: next wave kicks in & I'm now at a +2 that climbs to a +3 by the 1 hour mark, which plateaus for about another 1-2 hours and then drops off rather quickly. Everytime I dose, the onset and duration are exactly the same, which is useful becuase I can plan out a nice short trip within an afternoon instead of having to set aside a full day or two as with other compounds that I'm used to working with .

 

[psilocybonaut]

Can someone PLEASE answer my question AS SOON AS POSSIBLE? It would be greatly appreciated.

I took 12mg of clonazepam today (Thurs) orally at approx. 1PM. I have a naturally high kpin tolerance that never goes away, so that dose makes me feel like what 2mg used to do to me.

I planned on taking a 20mg dose of 4-HO-MiPT fumarate (miprocin) tomorrow (Friday) at approx. 10AM or 11AM. I know that benzodiazepines such as klonopin (clonazepam) greatly decrease the potential of psychedelic trips, and I don't want that to happen or affect my trip.

Now, I did some research. A THERAPEUTIC dose of clonazepam lasts less than or equal to 12 hours. The 12mg dose I took was not a therapeutic amount so in my experience the full effects last for around 24 hours. I am high and amnesic for about 10 hours, and then for the next 14 I just feel it still in my blood and a bit "out of it".

So I'm wondering, due to this benzodiazepine (clonazepam) usage today, would I need to increase my dose of the 4-HO-MiPT fumarate tomorrow when I take it at 10-11AM? Maybe to 21, 22, 23 milligrams, or maybe even 25mg? Because I know 25mg of the fumarate equals to 20mg of the freebase, which was used in TiHKaL. What are you guys' suggestions? Please, I need quick answers.

[If a mod deletes this thread, PM me and tell me what I did to break the rules.]

 

[squerll]

4-ho-mipt/DMT combos

I thought I would post this here for a little info on 4-ho-mipt/DMT combos.
The other week I got the chance to sample so 4-ho-mipt. This session was just to sample it, get a feel for it and see if it was worth doing more of. I also like doing DMT combs on some of my trips so I wanted to see how n,nDMT and 5-meo-dmt would go with this chemical.

I went with 15mgs dissolved in a shot of warm water and drank it. I went and laid down and waited for the affects to come about. I notice a slight feeling around 15min and within 45 min I was at a good level and a peck at about an hour.
This stuff reminds me a lot of psilocybin mushrooms. I feel like I ate mushrooms but much more clear headspace, cleaner body feel and no yawns, but very similar overall feel. I had light visuals and a very good body high. I relaxed for a while and explored my headspace and did some yoga, I got the feeling I could go deep at higher doses. I started to notice so anxiety the same kind I get on mushrooms nothing big but it made me wonder how it would be on a big dose.

After about an hour after the peak I started to feel the peak go down a bit so I wanted to try some n,nDMT. I put 15mgs in the pipe this is usually enough to give me a good buzz and see some visuals (a mild dose). I took it in a hit held it for long as I could and exhaled. I layed down and waited for it to kick in. After a couple of moments I felt it come on but in a bad way it was giving me a bad uncomfortable feeling as it was coming on. I was thinking this sucks because I was feeling so good before that. I started to see ugly red and orange visuals, small Xs and shape everywhere with a shitty feeling. After I felt it peak I sat up and moved around to try to get it out of my system faster. I had a interesting headspace awareness after the visuals left, it would have been cool if the feeling wasn’t so shitty. The DMT was wearing off but I couldn’t return to my former nice 4-ho-mipt feeling it was warped into a different one.

After about another 15min I wanted to try the 5-meo-dmt. I was hoping this would put me in a new space (5-meo-dmt has gone good with everything I tried). I put 8mgs in the pipe and took a hit. I laid down and waited for it to kick in. Magic! I have never been able to describe 5-meo-dmt but it went so well with the 4-ho-mipt so well. I enjoyed my buzz for a while and got up drank some juice a relaxed. After a bit I ate some food and was back to normal.

Conclusion: it was a good trial; I like the 4-ho-mipt it has a good body feel and it seems like it has some depth, I feel it is worth exploring further. I am going to up my doses slowly until I get a feel for the anxiety it gave me a hint of. The n,nDMT did not go with it at all! I felt like it mess up my trip on the 4-ho-mipt. But that’s OK, this was just a trial to feel it out and now I know. The 5-meo-dmt with the 4-ho-mipt was magic a timeless moment in a synchronized universe.

 

[psilocybonaut]

Has anyone tried mixing this chemical (4-HO-MiPT fumarate) with MDMA yet? I'm pondering on trying it with some pure MDMA crystals.

Since they both last around the same amount of time (4-6 hrs), I could take them at the same time, right?

What do you guys think about this combo? What dose of 4-HO-MiPT would you recommend (I've done it maybe 5 times, all at 20mg)?

 

[thugg]

Ok, so I've tried this one twice. My first experience was with 22mg fum, and ~200mg of K spread out through the 2nd hour of the experience (so starting an hour after dropping, and ending 2 hours after).

This was alright, it reminded me a LOT like mushrooms, more-so than 4-Aco-DMT. 4-Ho-MiPT seems to share that same confusing/darker colors and just similar visuals to mushrooms, where 4-Aco-DMT seems a lot more clean and DMT like.

Anyway, that was based off my first experience. Tried it last night 30mg (fum), and about 2-3mg 4-Aco-DMT that was left out on the trey from weighing out before, on a not quite empty stomach, not bull but food still in there. About an hour later, I'm wondering when I will start to notice the effects. Then, out of nowhere I feel the urge to puke, go and do so violently, then start the weakest trip. 22mg prior which I thought wasn't enough and boring and this wasn't even half of that.

I'm guessing the purge is mostly to blame, but who knows.

GRR.. God damn fucking BL, kept fucking not loading while I tried to submit this.

 

[squerll]

Tried it last night 30mg (fum), and about 2-3mg 4-Aco-DMT that was left out on the trey from weighing out before, on a not quite empty stomach, not bull but food still in there. About an hour later, I'm wondering when I will start to notice the effects. Then, out of nowhere I feel the urge to puke, go and do so violently, then start the weakest trip. 22mg prior which I thought wasn't enough and boring and this wasn't even half of that.

I'm guessing the purge is mostly to blame, but who knows.

That makes me curious if I could be bad mixing the 4-aco-dmt with it. I tried n,n,DMT with it once and it was not good at all! After that I won’t mix anything DMT with it. I have been curious if it is just me or it was an bad chemical mix. And if it is a bad chemical mix if it is just n,n,DMT or all forms of DMT.
I am interested to hearing of more people trying mipt and DMT combos. I know I won’t go there again.

 

[ad0le]

My trip report.

After a few weeks, my trip report was finally added to erowid. I wanted to convey this information here as well. Be careful I've done it several times since this report was written and in various dosages. I have no problems using this substance in the 60 mg (fumerate salt) arena. I am a fat guy though. 5' 10" at 220 lbs. 30 years old. I just LOVE this stuff!
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I recently acquired 1 gm of 4-ho-mipt in fumarate salt form, from a trusted source. I have only tripped twice before in my entire life, both times with a single dose of LSD blotter, and was expecting results much less intense than that.

I prepared for the experience meticulously. I started my research by reading Tihkal and taking note of the dosage and qualitative comments, reading experience reports and averaging the dosage taken by other users based on effects, read numerous organic chemistry papers so I could understand the differences between hcl and fumarate salts, bought an accurate scale that measures in mg, adjusted the lighting and setting for a more pleasurable trip, etc. etc. etc…

By the time I got the chemical in hand, I was very sure of my decision and knowledge. I called into work and took a sick day. I sat on my couch and carefully measured out 0.13 gm of 4-ho-mipt fumarate, which I sniffed in two lines, one up each nostril. That’s not a typo, it was a stupid mistake on my part that I will explain later. 4-ho-mipt’s molecular make up is defined as C14H20N2O, which gives it a molecular mass of 232.32 g/mol. All of Shulgin’s experiments were conducted with the hcl salt. With further reading, I found out that the fumarate salt, as opposed to the hcl salt, is approximately 30% heavier. I had wanted to take a 10 mg dose (as described for the hcl salt) which would equal roughly 13 mg of the fumarate salt. Being a dumbass will negate any preparation you’ve done. I’ll admit it, I was a dumbass. I should have measured out 0.013 g on my scale, not the 0.13. I wouldn’t realize my mistake until 2 days later.

My mindset was as follows. I figured, since I was taking what I thought was a small dose, insulfation would make up for the loss of intensity due to the small dose. So here I am, sitting on my couch, about to take the trip of a life time on 130 mg of 4-ho-mipt fumarate.

0:00 – It’s not nearly as bad snorting this stuff as I had expected. I was expecting a really bad burning sensation when in fact, it was no worse than cocaine.

+0:15 – I have an odd sensation of being drunk almost. Like I suddenly down about 4 beers really quickly. I get a few alerts that let me know something is happening.

+0:30 – Every muscle in my body is twitching and my jaw is clenching up. It feels almost identical to MDMA. The twitches start to feel really good. Almost like the seconds after an intense orgasm. Everything is starting to look “different” yet exactly the same.

+0:45 – My body feels FANTASTIC. I close my eyes and start seeing the muscle sensations. Complex patterns of triangles in CEV form that represent every muscle in my body lighting up with color every time I get a wave of orgasmic energy through my body. I really wish my girlfriend was here, but rub one out without her. WOW!

+1:00 – I have been drinking a lot of water and now it’s time to urinate. I try to stand only to realize my muscles have become jelly. I almost topple to the floor. I am angry with myself because I know that GODs don’t stumble, and at this point, this is what I fancy myself as. I finally do stand and feel 30 ft tall. I laugh at the items on the floor and they seem to fear me as I walk about.

+1:10 – Upon entering the bathroom, I am confronted with some of the most amazing OEVs I am ever likely to see again. The stucko patterns on the ceiling turn into amazing coral reef creatures that flow in the water so naturally. The ceiling background turns an amazing shade of turquoise and I can hear the water. I stand there for what must have been an hour just in amazement at the view. The gray tiles on the floor begin to represent sand on the beach and the slight noise of the toilet running becomes waves crashing into the shore. I have a definite ++++ experience. The sound of the smoke detector (the battery was dead and it beeps every 15 mins to notify you) hit me like a sniper riffle. I am suddenly hit with the most amazing synthasia ever experienced. The sound was heard, then I felt it penetrate my entire body and it’s red color penetrated my muscle patterns I had noticed before. It actually hurt a bit. It scared me, and I came to in the bathroom.

+2:00 – I retire to my room in complete awe of this substance. I am freezing. I try to check my temperature, but I find myself not all that concerned with it and soon forget. My blood pressure is slightly high. I grab 3 blankets and wrap myself into a cocoon. I close my eyes and am lost in a world of complete fantasy. I suddenly imagine a He-Man like prince, riding a horse in some far away land. A maiden sitting atop a hill watching him as he ride into battle. I am completely aware I am “tripping” and go along with the ride.

Suddenly, like out of a movie, I hear a stringed orchestra playing and it’s penetrating my body in an orgasmic fashion. I can even smell the dirt the horse is kicking up. At this point, I get a little scared and try to make the smell and music go away only to realize I can’t. I am having an ongoing ++++ experience but am fully aware of it. Just as before, the smoke detector beeps and I perceive it as gun shot. This one REALLY hurt. It felt like a ray gun, with a triangular type energy “bullet” that penetrated my face and found its way through my entire body. It smelled metallic and had a weird orange / yellow color to it (if that makes any sense). I have several other fantasy type images in my head and manage to masturbate at least twice more before noting the time.

+4:00 – I want to come down some, so I fire up my laptop and start watching some Family Guy episodes. I can follow the plot just fine, but it is not funny to me, which is unusual as it is my all time favorite show. They make reference to a lady and out of blind curiosity, I fire up google and find an image. I sit and watch in horror as this photo morphs into demons and gargoyles freely. I cannot stop this from happening. The most visually disturbing hallucination I have ever experienced. Even today, 3 days later, it freaks me out to view this photo.

Subsequent trips to the bathroom offer the same experience as before. I see a ladybug (a real one) on the shower curtain and I spend a good 10 minutes letting it crawl on me. I get the distinct feeling it likes me and wants to make me happy by showing off it wings. I take him with me back to the bedroom.

+7:00 – Bathroom ceiling is still giving amazing visuals, but the emotional effect of the drug is wearing off. CEVs have tailed off and the synthasia has subsided completely. I am left with shaky legs, mild twitching, an annoyed ladybug and some lingering CEVs and OEVs. I am starting to get bored with the experience.

+8:00 – Back to baseline. What a fucking ride.

I am really thankful that I didn’t realize I took 10x the amount I wanted to during the trip. I think I would have lost my mind in retrospect. I am going to put this in the win column but I strongly urge people to watch the dosage of this material and try not to be an idiot like myself. It is the real deal and should be treated as such. I want to mention that although it was a lot, I was never scared or put into a dark place. This drug is very forgiving on the emotional side.

This could be a great couples drug if you can find the right dosage. For an entire 3 hours it felt like the moments after an orgasm. An almost unbearably orgasmic feeling that made me moan several times.

 

[Recept]

^ Wow that's a high dose Glad you got through it in one peace, without any physical issues and significant mental/psychological consequences.

On the bright side, the fact that 100mg of miprocin produced nearly no toxic side-effects seems to hint to the relatively safe toxicity profile of this substance, which is always a good sign. Which is not to say everyone should go pursuing extremely high doses of this compound, of course. 20mg freebase seems to be mindblowing enough for lots of people.

Personally, I love miprocin, and find it not very similar to mushrooms at all, at least not in medium-high dose range. The differences might be less noticable in high, or lowish doses, both of which I have not a lot of experience with.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Sh*t, I found 13mg of the hcl salt enough for me. Couldn't imagine 20mg of the more-potent freebase compound. I agree with Shulgin's comments in that this is far more potent as compared with psilocin...at least with a mg/mg comparison.

 

[Recept]

For me, 20mg freebase produced a trip on par with 2-3g of fairly potent Psilocybe cubensis in intensity. While that is quite intense on it's own, I felt I could have easily gone higher. But I tend to be quite a hardhead when it comes to psychedelics. Lots of people will find this dose extremely strong, and starting that high is strongly advised against.

As with any new substance, starting low is definately the way to go (below 10mg for miprocin), and working your way up until you find your sweet spot.

 

[Beenhead]

We have a forum for this you know!



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[luckytaak]

We have a forum for this you know!

Yes, but we don’t like to title our posts correctly.

 

[squerll]

“I should have measured out 0.013 g on my scale, not the 0.13.”
that’s crazy. Gotta watch those place holders. I’m glad it had no ill effects. The only thing that worries me so far with 4-ho-mipt is the reports of leg tremors, I think I was reading reports of that with another one of it’s close relatives also.

I have only tried 15mgs I loved the body feel from it, hoping to do some more as soon as one of my friends get back from vacation.