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The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MiPT Thread - Part 1

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About a week ago I took a threshold dose of about 3-4 mg and had a wonderful evening. I should say I am somewhat of a lightweight and could never get myself beyond 15mg of 4-ho-mipt. I have been very stressed and exhausted from working two jobs lately, but the low dose helped get my mind off of things and left me feeling very refreshed and energized. I went to work the next morning feeling wonderful, very focused and content, not in a euphoric way. The short duration of this substance is perfect for a nice evening when you don't have the time to do a full blown trip. I was more or less back to baseline within 3 hours of the first signals, less than 4 hours after ingestion. I am really excited about further exploration with low dose trips and the benefits they may bring.
 
whew just dosed 30mg plugged and holy shit it kicks in fast (almost instantly). +++ in 10 minutes. impressive stuff. Also on amps, morphine and etizolam but still, it's rocking my monitors visuals pretty hard right now =)
 
I had to say that I really really like this nice visual absolutely no body load whatsoever it is the lightest fluffiest powder I've ever seen in my life the grains of it must be so small it makes my skin feel like velvet feels extremely that rule not synthetic at all humor iS elevated quite a bit nowhere near as deep as shrooms. I was probably tripping pretty good for about 5 hours and slowly Tailed off. had trouble sleeping quite a bit. overall highly recommended I also vaped a little bit of the aluminum foil it seems to work well took like 30 seconds to kick in but it kicked my visuals back in.
 
It's interesting that at the beginning of this thread, the doses recommended were much lower than the doses recommended now, seemingly even more so than the fumarate HCL difference would account for.
 
About a week ago I took a threshold dose of about 3-4 mg and had a wonderful evening. I should say I am somewhat of a lightweight and could never get myself beyond 15mg of 4-ho-mipt....... The short duration of this substance is perfect for a nice evening when you don't have the time to do a full blown trip. I was more or less back to baseline within 3 hours of the first signals, less than 4 hours after ingestion. I am really excited about further exploration with low dose trips and the benefits they may bring.

This is how I felt when I tried a low dose of metocin recently. I took about 5mg (eyeballed) and went to a show. It was a very pleasant buzz, clearly reminiscent of mushrooms, but a little more bouncy and energetic, less introspective, and without that dark side that you sometimes have to process to get to the light with fungus. These differences made it much better than shrooms for this recreational setting.
This last weekend, I did something similar with miprocin in Vegas before seeing the Beatles Love show. I ate a few mg, waited about 45 min to make sure it wasn't DOC or some shit, and then ate a slightly bigger pile, again eyeballed (I know, I know). It was maybe around 10mg total, tops. My intention was to keep doing this until I started getting visuals. I found the light level buzz to be fairly pleasant, but tachycardia prohibited me from continuing to up my dosage, which surprised me a little. There was little else to the bodyload other than a mild feeling in my stomach that may have become mild nausea at a higher dose. I didn't feel jittery or particularly anxious but man, my heart really got going fast, which I hate! It took a good 7 or 8mg diazepam to get my pulse back near normal, at which point I became comfortable and enjoyed the show. I was disappointed that this side effect prevented me from dosing higher, since people really seem to be digging this material.
I wound up ingesting a little metocin a few hours later in the evening, and that was great. I'm starting to think I really love that shit! It's like the 2C-B of tryptamines imo. I think I like it better than 2C-B (I was always a mushroom fan). If you don't like it's shallowness, that's what mushrooms are for!
Anyhow, I'm certainly going to give miprocin some more attention, but I just wanted to share my low-dose experience for those of you who have not tried this substance yet and are sensitive to tachycardia. Take precaution so you don't unexpectedly find your heart racing wildly (and probably don't eyeball your dose like me unless you are as experienced/cautious as I am). That can really make a bummer out of an otherwise cool experience
 
Planning on taking this over the weekend. Was just wondering if it would be safe to consume etizolam during the trip if it gets too much? Would it completely stop the trip or just calm it down a bit? I've heard of people using diazipam for such purposes but thought I should check first.
 
I tried this for my first time a few days ago while I was already under the influence of MXE, etizolam, and marijuana. I had dosed MXE and small doses of etizolam throughout the day. Probably a total of 30mg of MXE and 3mg of Etizolam. I was excited having just received this chemical that I hear so many great things about. Etizolam has a tendency to drive me to make decisions that I normally would know aren't wise. I decided that I would take 25mg of MXE oral and once that started coming on (30 minutes later), I would take the 15mg of 4-HO-MiPT. The 4-HO-MIPT kicked in and I was feeling really groovy, it was really nice. However, as my sense of time was obliterated, I decided to dose 250ug of 25i-NBOMe nasally. About 15 minutes later I was reaching for the last half milligram of my Etizolam. Ten minutes after that I ceased to exist. This was my first time experiencing ego-death that was completely drug induced. I have experienced it one more time while coming down from 1.75g of mushrooms and passing out. It was completely all over the place. I was experiencing an eternity. I don't remember too terribly much. There were two ++++ moments which was amazing, first time with that too. The rest (majority) of the trip was just extremely confusing and uncomfortable. I feel like I blacked out in the craziness but I do remember most of it. I was pretty psychotic too at the time for the parts where I was able to communicate. I guess that I was drooling a bit and was constantly rolling around. All that I was able to say when I was in my body was "Wait, What?", "What?", "2-3 Hours", "Did I work today?", and "I need to drink this water". Once I came down I was in awe. It was so terrifyingly beautiful. Was it a wise decision? No. Was it enjoyable? Not really? Would I take it back? Hell no. When I came down my girlfriend and had a good time, lots of laughs. I was still a bit crazy when bed time rolled around. Once the light was turned off I started laughing hysterically and had to turn the light back on. I gave it another go and this time I did laugh hysterically, I just cried. A lot. I still don't know what to think of it. It was really interesting though. A big theme of the trip was dying, which I kind of relate to me just finishing "Designer Dying" by Timothy Leary, a book which changed me enough as it is. Throughout the trip I relived my mother's death, witnessed my girlfriends, and my own and got to look at them in different lights. A scary experience but one that I have and will continue to benefit from
 
Yeah, that happens to me when I get into that 'deep' state, you know? Like I'm just about to grasp what they're saying and then it just slips away. That turns into my response for just about anything.

I'm unable to edit my post but I just remembered another thing that I would say when I could talk; "Is it just us?"
I kept feeling like there was somebody else in the room until I fell asleep
 
4-aco-dmt. seems like they might add up to something greater than the sum of its parts? 4aces' introspective seriousness coupled with miprocin's recreational easy going nature. or maybe they would contrast in a not so great way?

IME combining 4-ho-mipt and 4-aco-dmt is a wonderful experience, and in fact I prefer it to either one by itself. I get less of the yawns and sedation/intoxication from the 4-aco-dmt, and don't get overly stimulated by the 4-ho-mipt. It's also deeper than 4-ho-mipt alone with more visual activity than 4-aco-dmt by itself (at least for me)...seems like they kind of balance each other out a bit. Whenever combining these, I've always used a 1:1 ratio.
 
Any advice on combining with syrian rue? I've heard 4-ho-mipt might have slight MAOI activity on its own, would it be safe to combine them?
 
Any advice on combining with syrian rue? I've heard 4-ho-mipt might have slight MAOI activity on its own, would it be safe to combine them?
That sounds like a multi-hour rainbow-puke marathon to me, but maybe my experiences with syrian rue were all atypical. Perhaps you should just buy a few more mg of the miprocin ;)
 
IME combining 4-ho-mipt and 4-aco-dmt is a wonderful experience, and in fact I prefer it to either one by itself. I get less of the yawns and sedation/intoxication from the 4-aco-dmt, and don't get overly stimulated by the 4-ho-mipt. It's also deeper than 4-ho-mipt alone with more visual activity than 4-aco-dmt by itself (at least for me)...seems like they kind of balance each other out a bit. Whenever combining these, I've always used a 1:1 ratio.

actually, you make that combination sound quite splendid :)
i definitely get the yawns and sedation from 4-aco-dmt, and the comeup of miprocin is a little over stimulating.

i think i'd have to explore 4-aco-dmt again on its own before i tried this combo. i've only tried it 4 times, and not for almost 2 years. it seems that my dose for 4-aces fumarate is ~35 mg. for miprocin fumarate, 20 mg or even a little less is a pretty strong trip. their level of "deepness" differs like you said, but it takes more 4-aces.

what are your preferred doses when you take them solo vs. when you mix them. i could probably go for ~12 mg of each. or i might consider taking more 4-aco-dmt (15 mg?) and less miprocin (9 mg?) so many choices...
 
what are your preferred doses when you take them solo vs. when you mix them. i could probably go for ~12 mg of each. or i might consider taking more 4-aco-dmt (15 mg?) and less miprocin (9 mg?) so many choices...

Not sure to what extent my dosages would be helpful in this case, however, I shall go into it a bit. I haven't had quite as much experience with the 4-aco-dmt by itself vs 4-ho-mipt. In any case it seems that I may be a bit of a hardhead in general, but it may be mostly that my point of reference for psychedelics is based off of relatively high doses of mushrooms and LSD, and consequent mindfuck thereof.

After digging around for quite some time I managed to source some 4-sub trypts from somewhere that felt legit. The prices seemed a bit steep, but whatever, so I ordered some 4-ho-mipt fumerate. One factor that instantly became obvious was that the material was purported to be only 95% pure, so this affects the dose as well as being the fumerate salt. Interestingly enough, I was able to get a pretty good taste of what this molecule has to offer from 10mg, but even pushed the dose as high as 60mg without being overwhelmed by it (at least 2 weeks between tests). It was shocking to me how I could be so altered by something and still think so clearly (though social interaction would likely have been difficult lol). Overall, I was mildly disappointed at first, but mostly just due to being underwhelmed by the experience. I have a feeling that if these had not all been solo trips, it would have made anything over 30mg a bit more challenging.

Later, I ran out, and so ordered more from the same vendor along with some 4-aco-dmt. Both of these were the fumerate form, both 95% purity. From there, I began titrating doses of the aco, sufficiently spaced out. Again, 10mg was a good taste of potential, and I only made it up to about 35mg before attempting a combination of the two. Even at 35mg (95% purity mind you), the experience was still not overwhelming. It did feel deeper than the 4-ho-mipt at equivelant dosage though, but less visual. Also, imo if I want that amount of psychedelic yawns, I will just go for mushrooms. So, the next time I decided to begin titrating a combination of the two, starting at 10mg of each (20mg total), since 20mg seems to be when I start to get much visual activity with either one of these particular samples of these compounds. As soon as it started I knew it was a wonderful idea to combine these two. At that level, it was still rather light, but a good basis for further experimentation. The highest I went with this combination was 25mg of each, with 10mg of each as a booster after it started coming on (70mg total at 1:1). This was the first time I felt the experience to be somewhat challenging with these compounds, but still quite managable for me. This was also a solo trip, probably would have been rather more challenging if anyone else was around at the time.

Overall, if you have a decent amount of experience with these two molecules, I would say dose about 1/3 the amount or less than you normally would for each of these the first time you combine them to get a feel for it and work your way up from there. I would never suggest that anyone attempt to take the kind of doses I have without working your way up from very small doses, and as always do an allergy test (no more than 1mg or so) whenever getting a new sample, even from the same vendor. Have fun and be safe :)
 
That sounds like a multi-hour rainbow-puke marathon to me, but maybe my experiences with syrian rue were all atypical. Perhaps you should just buy a few more mg of the miprocin ;)

I'm interested in how it subjectively impacts the experience, although stretching out my supply would be good as well :)

I will have zofran on hand, so I'm not too worried about nausea.
 
I'm interested in how it subjectively impacts the experience, although stretching out my supply would be good as well :)

It's hard to say really what qualitative effects combining syrian rue with 4-ho-mipt might evoke in addition to requiring a smaller dose of the 4-ho-mipt, but if I was to hazard a guess, it may take the stimulant edge off of the experience a bit, throw your coordination off a bit, and make the experience a bit more deep (pure conjecture). Depending on the ratios of alkaloids in your syrian rue, on its own it can have a somewhat sedating effect in addition to a dreamy quality (for lack of a better description). Nausia is also common with syrian rue. Depending on dosage, this may or may not be a major feature of the experience. It is easier to guage the dosage if you extract the haramala alkaloids to relative purity and weigh your dose (commonly 100-200mg). At any rate, my main advice would be to start with a very low dose of the 4-ho-mipt when attempting such a combination and work your way up. A threshold dose may turn out to be even stronger than expected in the long run (depends on what extent mao-a breaks down the 4-ho-mipt in the first place, and interactions with the effects of the syrian rue). Also, it's probably going to be most effective to take the syrian rue 45 minutes to an hour before taking the 4-ho-mipt (perhaps even a tad longer, who knows). Hard to say really if it would be a safe combination or not, but I doubt if 4-ho-mipt is a serotonin releaser. It can be helpful to become acquainted with the effects of the syrian rue by itself first so that it is easier to tell if there are any unwanted side effects from combining it with the 4-ho-mipt, or anything else for that matter. Also, it will give you a bit better idea of how the haramalas color the experience once you do combine them.
 
heyall I got a question for you guys. the first time I did this compound I guess I did around 25 to 50 milligrams eyeballing it cause I don't have a milligram scale but that's besides the point. the first time I did it I had a blast it was great.then on New Years I did some Doc and mdma mda combo and then I waited a week after New Years. and I could barely get off baseline I must've orally consumed twice the amount as the first time. so I'm guessing that it was the ecstasy lingering that kept me from getting off baseline because ecstasy can be quite neurotoxic the receptors and take quite a long time for them to heal. I haven't tried the chemical sense cuz its only been about 20 days since New Years. anybody have any input do you think my notion is correct?
 
I can trip a week after MDMA just fine. In fact 0.3grams of dried mushrooms was pretty active (respectively, of course).

Sure your 4HOMIPT hasn't gone bad (ie lost potency) ?
 
Without weighing your doses it's hard to say how the weight compares between your first trial and your second trial with this substance. In weighing out capsules in the past I have had one capsule look like it has way more in it than the other one even though they are the same weight. Just out of curiosity I tapped them both on the counter to pack the powder down and they looked about the same after that. Even so, it is rather curious that it didn't really work. Does it normally take more than average to get you to the same level as other people? Another possibility is that your sample is cut with something and there are "hot spots" so to speak that would allow for a trip one time, but not the next. I doubt there would be an appreciable loss of potency in a month as long as it was stored in a cool dark place. Are there any other medications and/or supplements that you have been taking or took around the time of your second attempt? Also, did you take it on an empty stomach?
 
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