The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MiPT Thread - Part 1

[Jesusgreen]

Hey so I recently procured a small amount of 4-HO-MiPT, I paid for "25mg" and when I weighed what initially poured out of the bag it came to 15mg, but there was a significant amount stuck to the bag, leading me to believe that there may be 30-35mg+ in total.

Originally my plan was to consumed the whole lot when I was told it was 25mg in all, but since it's notoriously hard to get all those last bits of powder off the bag to weigh them, and I don't fancy going through dissolving it all in solution and then evaporating the solution - I think that means I'll have to just go for the lower dose and go for the 15mg that readily falls out of the bag.

Is 15mg going to be a worthwhile experience do you guys think? I have no tolerance since I haven't tripped in maybe almost 3 whole months.

For what it's worth I'll give some info about my experiences with 4-AcO-DMT and 4-HO-MET to maybe help you guys give me a better idea of what I should expect:

- With 4-AcO-DMT I've tried it at all sorts of doses though from 5mg to in excess of 100mg (this was a stupid novice mistake a long time ago prior to me using scales) and it's a very deep, spiritual, and intense substance. At 5-10mg it's too weak to be worthwhile for me, but the 15-20mg range makes for a wonderful and not too strong trip. The 35-45mg range resulted in shockingly easy to repeat ++++ experiences, with me experiencing full blown ego death a good 50% of the time. My one time > 100mg dose was something earth shattering (not in a pleasant way) that I do not wish to repeat.

- With 4-HO-MET I've only tried it the once, I can't remember the dose I was given but I think it was 34mg. It was much more lighthearted on the surface, a lot easier to control and with less potential for anxiety and unpleasant feelings, however once I peaked fully I was greeted once again with a ++++, ego death. Took me by surprise since I wasn't expecting 4-HO-MET to take me so deep with how "easy" it seemed at first. One thing I noticed though was the transition into ego death was much easier than with 4-AcO-DMT, rather than the absolute fear of the ego passing I would get bursts of fear but then I would quickly be able to control my thought patterns and revert to intense fits of laughter and bliss. I think 20mg would have been the perfect dose for me if I were to make an estimated guess.

So do you guys think 15mg will impress me or be a little on the low side?

Also how do you guys think this one fares for tripping at home? This would comprise of some drawing, playing guitar, and laying in bed with my eyes closed listening to music and enjoying the CEVs. The weather's getting pretty cold so I don't really have a good opportunity to go out and enjoy it in nature that won't result in me freezing my ass off in the process

Might even give this one a go tonight, lately I only trip when I feel like it's right, and I kind of have that feeling.

 

[Toltec]

I think 25mg would be much more rewording then 15mg^ 15mg is a low dose for me....

 

[nuke]

15 mg freebase is a strong dose, 25 mg freebase is too much at 70 kg. 25 mg is a "to the moon" dose, and causes anterograde amnesia and OEV-saturation blindness for me. The freebase is about doubly as potent as psilocin or 4-AcO-DET for me.

 

[porkstock]

i find miprocin to be a lot more potent than 4-aco-dmt. maybe it has to do with the batches i have. with my 4-aco-dmt, i need 30 mg to get a good trip. 35-40 mg is probably a pretty reliable dose for a +++ for me. with miprocin though, 20 mg is a solid dose. i have fumarate salts of both. i tried 15 or 16 mg miprocin and had a worthwhile trip with others. when i dose solo i might prefer slightly higher doses.

15 mg miprocin is a pretty decent trip, but for a psyconaut like yourself, you might enjoy 18 or 20 mg more.

 

[phenethylo J]

So do you guys think 15mg will impress me or be a little on the low side?

Also how do you guys think this one fares for tripping at home? This would comprise of some drawing, playing guitar, and laying in bed with my eyes closed listening to music and enjoying the CEVs. The weather's getting pretty cold so I don't really have a good opportunity to go out and enjoy it in nature that won't result in me freezing my ass off in the process

Might even give this one a go tonight, lately I only trip when I feel like it's right, and I kind of have that feeling.

When I did this I took 20mgs and had a very nice immersive and rewarding trip. I'm sure 15mgs would still produce a good trip but I'd try and get the rest out if I could. Maybe scraping/scooping the rest out with a cut off section of straw would work or ripping the bag open and using a razor blade.

I found it was a good psych for tripping inside I spent allot of time just chilling in bed listening to music but also spent some exploring my back yard.

 

[progressive]

It's probably fumarate salt, what is sold most these days. If so I would say 20 mg at least, 15 mg is definitely to low for me. You may take more, but you could also extend the trip by taking the rest at 90 minutes from start. I think I would go for that.

 

[chasingabee]

whenever i take a nice big dose of 4homipt, i always see these clear transparent tubes through the air connecting everything. it so cool. do you ever see that?

 

[psy997]

I experienced something like that on my only usage of this chemical, chasingabee. It could have been tubes, but I don't remember the exact geometric patterning. I said to the two people I was with that I could see everything, the background of reality intermeshing with everything in these amazing metallic-ish and multi-colored OEVs. Like the psychedelic world was breaking into our reality. During the peak of it, it felt like I had smoked 50mg in one go and had opened my eyes from breaking through.

I've just remembered I posted a trip report when it happened, here

 

[progressive]

whenever i take a nice big dose of 4homipt, i always see these clear transparent tubes through the air connecting everything. it so cool. do you ever see that?

I see hardly 'no OEVs'. It's just a modification of what I see, like waves and swirls.

Last week I took 23 mg fumarate and 1.5 hour later another 13 mg fumarate capsule. If I didn't focus my eyes it was like a slow tornodo swirl I was looking through.

CEVs on the other hand are very beautiful, I see all kind of vivid imagery: flowers, tiles, diamonds, people I know, strings, devils, fire, everything you can imagine almost... the more I relax the slower the CEVs are.

 

[porkstock]

i'm generally pretty conservative with my dosing, but after reading a couple comments about it, i might consider redosing miprocin to extend the duration.
i have said before that the only bad thing about miprocin is that it doesn't last long enough

for me, a dose of 18-23 mg produces a pretty solid trip that lasts for about 4 or 5 hours.


would you guys think that ~half of your initial dose would be a good booster? and with what timing?

i might take some miprocin right now actually, but today i'll be content with 4-6 hours since then breaking bad will be on

 

[progressive]

i'm generally pretty conservative with my dosing, but after reading a couple comments about it, i might consider redosing miprocin to extend the duration.
i have said before that the only bad thing about miprocin is that it doesn't last long enough

for me, a dose of 18-23 mg produces a pretty solid trip that lasts for about 4 or 5 hours.


would you guys think that ~half of your initial dose would be a good booster? and with what timing?

i might take some miprocin right now actually, but today i'll be content with 4-6 hours since then breaking bad will be on

I find redosing best at 2 hrs and yes half of what you took is enough. My best 4-ho-mipt trip was 20 mg at 0hrs, 10 mg at 2hrs, 10 mg at 4hrs.

 

[Madrus]

I tried about 19mg of the fumurate form, and it was nice. I was at the peak at T+50m with first alerts at 25m. I expected more intensity though, I'd say I was at a 6/10 whereas I was expecting more of an 8 from the dosage info I read.
No nausea. No leg tremors. Mild visuals, more apparent CEVs than OEVs. The main thing I noticed was the body high, with a really powerful tryptamine stoning effect where I felt heavy all over. It lasted about 6 hours.
Overall, I think it's nice, and I'll try it again in a higher dose next time.

 

[lamanogaucha]

15mg freebase is a strong dose; 25mg freebase is too much at 70kg. 25mg is a "to the moon" dose, and causes anterograde amnesia and OEV-saturation blindness for me. The freebase is about doubly as potent as psilocin or 4-AcO-DET for me.

You're clearly rather sensitive to this compound. Provided that the materials are pure, 15mg freebase equals 17.35mg HCl and 18.74mg fumarate. 15mg freebase is for most people a moderately strong dose, but not really strong. I've ingested up to 30mg of the fumarate, which comes up to 24mg of the freebase, with no issues worth noting. It was strong and quite visual, but nothing at all like anterograde amnesia or OEV-saturation blindness.

 

[progressive]

^
I agree with lamanogaucha, but maybe something is wrong with your scale? Drifting etc..?

I took 23.0mg 4-ho-mipt fumarate orally at once. CEVs were vivid, OEVs low; just some swirl/wave of what I saw. Psychedelic experience was between moderate and strong, but more on the moderate side.

to compare:

I took 22.1mg 4-ho-met fumarate orally at once which I found stronger due to the OEVs and strange CEVs then the 4-ho-mipt.

further comparison:

I took 22.5mg 4-ho-dipt HCl which I found less stimulating compared to both compounds due to lacking of almost all OEVs and no CEVs and no psychedelic headspace, just body tremors.

and last but not least compared to:

I took 30.0mg 4-aco-dmt fumarate which I found strong like a factor of at least 2 to almost 3 times compared to 23mg 4-ho-mipt.

(btw I have a professional mettler toledo 0.1mg readability and repeatability analytical balance, so I can way up to 0.1mg)

Compared to my friends I respond very average to tryptamines.

For your info:

See:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/401596-The-Sprig-and-Sandy-4-Substituted-Tryptamine-Dosing-Chart-Thread

 

[darkstar51474]

4-ho-mipt is a psychadelic gem thats for sure. I have taken this compound only at the lowest ddose at 25mg of fumerate, to the highest when i took 160mg of the same batch. (irresponsible i know, but felt as if that trip was needed to get my life together.) my sweet spot for this chem is 30mg. nowadays though, I usually like to combine 4-sub trypts to produce a more genuine high, as most mushrooms in the wild contain more than one tryptamine in them. my favorite combo as of yet was 26mg of 4-ho-mipt and 10mg of 4-aco-dmt. WOW!!! i highly suggest everyone to try this combo out, its the best visually, mentally, dissolves your ego like childs-play, and kicks your ass all at the same time giving you an out of this world body feeling of euphoria.

 

[fffrrrqqq]

Originally my plan was to consumed the whole lot when I was told it was 25mg in all, but since it's notoriously hard to get all those last bits of powder off the bag to weigh them, and I don't fancy going through dissolving it all in solution and then evaporating the solution.

just weight the bag before you dissolve the last bits out of the bag and after and you know how much was left in there...

 

[progressive]

I usually like to combine 4-sub trypts to produce a more genuine high, as most mushrooms in the wild contain more than one tryptamine in them. my favorite combo as of yet was 26mg of 4-ho-mipt and 10mg of 4-aco-dmt.

Interesting info darkstar!

I like mixing this compound too. My favorite mix is with 4-ho-met. Did you mix this with 4-ho-met? And if, how do you compare it with the 4-aco-dmt mix.

 

[chasingabee]

aww man i gotto try some tryptamine mixes now

 

[darkstar51474]

Interesting info darkstar!

I like mixing this compound too. My favorite mix is with 4-ho-met. Did you mix this with 4-ho-met? And if, how do you compare it with the 4-aco-dmt mix.

I have never tried it together with 4-ho-met before! 4-ho-met is an interesting substance as well, i would imagine it would be a much more wired trip as 4-ho substituted tryptamines i feel are always more "uppity." imo 4-ho-xxx trypts are perfect with some MDMA. just curious, what dosages did you use with that combo? I was thinking of switching my combo up with making the 4-aco-dmt more dominant and a lower dose of the 4-ho-mipt and seeing how different it would be.

 

[progressive]

I have never tried it together with 4-ho-met before! 4-ho-met is an interesting substance as well, i would imagine it would be a much more wired trip as 4-ho substituted tryptamines i feel are always more "uppity." imo 4-ho-xxx trypts are perfect with some MDMA. just curious, what dosages did you use with that combo? I was thinking of switching my combo up with making the 4-aco-dmt more dominant and a lower dose of the 4-ho-mipt and seeing how different it would be.

I do not understand what you mean with a 'wired' trip and 'uppity', but that's mainly because I'm not a native English speaker I guess. Maybe you can explain it a little bit.

Last week I tried a combo with 4-ho-met for the first time, yesterday night a second one, respectively:
1. 9.0 mg 4-ho-met & 08.0 mg 4-ho-mipt: 17.0 mg total at once in same capsule
2. 6.3 mg 4-ho-met & 15.3 mg 4-ho-mipt: 21.6 mg total at once in same capsule

I definitely prefer the first one, I even prefer a little bit more 4-ho-met. I think a ratio of 3 : 2. And that's strange cause I love 4-ho-mipt solo, but for some reason the mix is different from 4-ho-met solo. Where 4-ho-met isn't so introspective for me, and 4-ho-mipt is, it looks like a combination of both has a synergistic effect on the introspective aspect.

I've done this trip twice on my own. When I trip on my own, I don't need so much compound (between 20 to 40% less).

My 3rd try will be at least 12.0 mg 4-ho-met & 8.0 mg 4-ho-mipt and if I will be with a trip partner I think 15.0 mg 4-ho-met & 10.0 mg 4-ho-mipt.

The CEVs were absolutely different from 4-ho-mipt solo. With 4-ho-mipt I can control the CEVs a little, this time I wasn't able to. The CEVs were not as vivid as normal when I take 20 to 23 4-ho-mipt. On they other hand my room was waving with a warm tint. Yesterday my room was filled with hundreds of vibrating violet dots. I recognize this from 4-ho-met solo trips, I love this, it's so beautiful to look at. Probably due to the 4-ho-mipt the trip was more introspective then 4-ho-met solo. I love the combo; it's warm and nice with a clear mind to think about life. It's very easy to sleep after, but for some extra energy you could mix it with just a little of 2c-d (same weight as 4-ho-mipt).