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The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread

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There have been no studies done on this subject, so nobody knows how 4-HO-MET is metabolized.

However, we do know how psilocin (4-HO-DMT) is metabolized, so you might be able to extrapolate from that data because the only difference between the two compounds is the presence of the n-ethyl moiety in place of an n-methyl.

AFAIK, Psilocin is excreted as Psilocin-O-glucuronide.
 
I've read all 20 pages of this and perhaps this is my misinterpretation but some people seem to be identifying 4-AcO-tryptamines as different compounds.

4-AcO-DMT and 4-PO-DMT (psilocybin) are both esters of 4-HO-DMT (Psilocin) In the body the esters are metabolised into 4-HO-DMT which is the chemical that produces all the effects.

Esters of any tryptamine will have slower come-ups, longer durations and be, overall, less intense when compared to ingesting the straight hydroxy analogues assuming the same dosage is taken.
 
I've read all 20 pages of this and perhaps this is my misinterpretation but some people seem to be identifying 4-AcO-tryptamines as different compounds.

4-AcO-DMT and 4-PO-DMT (psilocybin) are both esters of 4-HO-DMT (Psilocin) In the body the esters are metabolised into 4-HO-DMT which is the chemical that produces all the effects.

Esters of any tryptamine will have slower come-ups, longer durations and be, overall, less intense when compared to ingesting the straight hydroxy analogues assuming the same dosage is taken.

That's simply not a fact, only a theory. There's no solid proof that every ester of the 4-sub-Ts simply converts to its 4-HO-counterpart. Personally I don't buy it since some of the 4-AcO-Ts (like 4-AcO-DMT and 4-AcO-DiPT) bear only a small resemblance to their 4-HO cousins. I've talked about this a lot in this forum, though probably not in this particular thread. There's not even any absolute proof that 4-PO-DMT simply converts to 4-HO-DMT in vivo either, only educated speculation.

I think it would be silly to try to say that the esters don't convert at ALL to their 4-HO counterparts, but personally I think they're able to cross the BBB in some individuals, or perhaps given enough time. I'm sure it has to do with each individual's unique biochemistry. The comparison that led me to this conclusion is my considerable experience with both 4-AcO-DMT and pure, synthetic 4-HO-DMT (in separate trials of course). In my body, 4-AcO-DMT actually begins to come on faster than 4-HO-DMT (by a good 5 minutes), and it's over a full hour sooner, about 2-2.5 hours total in duration. 4-HO-DMT is pretty close to mushrooms, though significantly different still (MUCH less body-oriented and more cerebral vs emotional/spiritual), but 4-AcO-DMT feels exactly like smoked DMT, but slower to unfold and less intense overall. The high-frequency buzzing is exactly the same along with the ringing/whining in the ears, and the visuals are jewelled. 4-HO-DMT, on the other hand, has a much slower, more smooth buzz like mushrooms do, earthy but crisp visuals, and a tremendously more evolved mental change. It doesn't resemble smoked n,n-DMT at all other than in the way that everything with a DMT base does.

People seem to fall into roughly two camps with 4-AcO-DMT. They either find it similar to the way I described my own experience with it, or they find it substantially like mushrooms except with a longer total duration of each stage. And in both cases, people seem to find it MUCH less anxiety- and bodyload-producing than 4-HO-DMT or mushrooms, which is a common thread with acetoxy esters of 4-sub tryptamines. I believe that those like me who find it to be like an oral version of smoked DMT are not breaking it down very much into 4-HO-DMT and mostly it's the 4-AcO-DMT crossing the BBB to produce unique effects. And the other group is primarily breaking it down into 4-HO-DMT before it crosses the BBB, leading to effects mostly like psilocin.

Of course my theory is full of speculation as well, but it's the conclusion I've come to based on considerable experience and considerable reading and discussion of the topic with others in the online community. If someone has strong evidence to the contrary or that points toward another theory entirely, I'd love to see it because the truth is what I seek. :)

Also, it's true that it's not uncommon for people to confuse 4-HO-XXX and 4-AcO-XXX (or particularly 4-PO-DMT and 4-HO-DMT), but I think that's primarily due to people who do not have the background of research on these substances seeing both names and simply getting mixed up or thinking they're two names for the same thing or something.
 
4-AcO-DMT feels exactly like smoked DMT, but slower to unfold and less intense overall. The high-frequency buzzing is exactly the same along with the ringing/whining in the ears, and the visuals are jewelled. 4-HO-DMT, on the other hand, has a much slower, more smooth buzz like mushrooms do, earthy but crisp visuals, and a tremendously more evolved mental change. It doesn't resemble smoked n,n-DMT at all other than in the way that everything with a DMT base does.

I totally agree. It feels the same in many ways but dilated, I got similar entity contact as well though with 4-AcO-DMT only with eyes closed.

I barely ever get the ringing in the ears from any psychedelic though.

About 4-HO-MET, just want to say I simply love it. Good humored cousin of mushrooms, colorful and sparkly and bodyload free in lower doses, but stunningly complex and creativity-inspiring in higher doses. Full on OEV/CEV when I took 40 mg in one sitting, although with some time inbetween 2 parts of doses, that only really blasted off after a small toke of a joint without cannabis tolerance.

I felt myself become a spiral of energy, shaped like some sort of gastropod shell becoming a torus, and I started rolling. Not like on MDMA but like a wheel, and I came up with a drawing I still have to make of a track (like what a tank rides on), a modular wheel but where the modules are separate trucks - those huge hauling trucks... OK it was crazy, the tesselation, patterning, I came up with so many ideas to write down. And for the intensity it was acceptable in seriousness, that's what I liked about it.
 
That's simply not a fact, only a theory. There's no solid proof that every ester of the 4-sub-Ts simply converts to its 4-HO-counterpart. Personally I don't buy it since some of the 4-AcO-Ts (like 4-AcO-DMT and 4-AcO-DiPT) bear only a small resemblance to their 4-HO cousins. I've talked about this a lot in this forum, though probably not in this particular thread. There's not even any absolute proof that 4-PO-DMT simply converts to 4-HO-DMT in vivo either, only educated speculation.

I think it would be silly to try to say that the esters don't convert at ALL to their 4-HO counterparts, but personally I think they're able to cross the BBB in some individuals, or perhaps given enough time. I'm sure it has to do with each individual's unique biochemistry. The comparison that led me to this conclusion is my considerable experience with both 4-AcO-DMT and pure, synthetic 4-HO-DMT (in separate trials of course). In my body, 4-AcO-DMT actually begins to come on faster than 4-HO-DMT (by a good 5 minutes), and it's over a full hour sooner, about 2-2.5 hours total in duration. 4-HO-DMT is pretty close to mushrooms, though significantly different still (MUCH less body-oriented and more cerebral vs emotional/spiritual), but 4-AcO-DMT feels exactly like smoked DMT, but slower to unfold and less intense overall. The high-frequency buzzing is exactly the same along with the ringing/whining in the ears, and the visuals are jewelled. 4-HO-DMT, on the other hand, has a much slower, more smooth buzz like mushrooms do, earthy but crisp visuals, and a tremendously more evolved mental change. It doesn't resemble smoked n,n-DMT at all other than in the way that everything with a DMT base does.

People seem to fall into roughly two camps with 4-AcO-DMT. They either find it similar to the way I described my own experience with it, or they find it substantially like mushrooms except with a longer total duration of each stage. And in both cases, people seem to find it MUCH less anxiety- and bodyload-producing than 4-HO-DMT or mushrooms, which is a common thread with acetoxy esters of 4-sub tryptamines. I believe that those like me who find it to be like an oral version of smoked DMT are not breaking it down very much into 4-HO-DMT and mostly it's the 4-AcO-DMT crossing the BBB to produce unique effects. And the other group is primarily breaking it down into 4-HO-DMT before it crosses the BBB, leading to effects mostly like psilocin.

Of course my theory is full of speculation as well, but it's the conclusion I've come to based on considerable experience and considerable reading and discussion of the topic with others in the online community. If someone has strong evidence to the contrary or that points toward another theory entirely, I'd love to see it because the truth is what I seek. :)

Also, it's true that it's not uncommon for people to confuse 4-HO-XXX and 4-AcO-XXX (or particularly 4-PO-DMT and 4-HO-DMT), but I think that's primarily due to people who do not have the background of research on these substances seeing both names and simply getting mixed up or thinking they're two names for the same thing or something.

Do you think the ROA could have an impact on how 4-aco-dmt is assimilated?
 
Do you think the ROA could have an impact on how 4-aco-dmt is assimilated?

Yes, ROA always has an impact on that sort of thing I think. Generally I find it more like smoked n,n-DMT the faster it comes on. Rectal and nasal dosing produced this effect more than oral, although for me even oral is very fast and DMT-like. In fact, the only way I can get much use from it is by oral dosing, and even then it's usually too fast to make much sense of it, although I have had some notably significant trips on it mixed in there.
 
After reading all these posts, I kinda wish I had bought a set of electronic scale before I bought the MET.

It was so light. Very dusty. Like plaster, (best way I can desribe it) I figured halving the bag and racking it in two even lines would be the best idea.

Wrong.

It was a 200mg bag - so naturally, Shit. Was. Fucked.

I got through one fat line, and went to the toilet to take a leak; by the time I left the toilet walls and carpet were moving and a super loud hissing noise was everywhere. So I left the other line, feeling as though I'd already had enough. Judging by the bag and the size of lines I reckon I snorted about 140-165mg.

/feels like an idiot :(
lol
 
Jesus Christ dude, that is pretty reckless behaviour. Didn't you read the posts on this forum about dosing?

Anyway, how was the trip overall? I think you need to write a trip report at least.

After reading all these posts, I kinda wish I had bought a set of electronic scale before I bought the MET.

It was so light. Very dusty. Like plaster, (best way I can desribe it) I figured halving the bag and racking it in two even lines would be the best idea.

Wrong.

It was a 200mg bag - so naturally, Shit. Was. Fucked.

I got through one fat line, and went to the toilet to take a leak; by the time I left the toilet walls and carpet were moving and a super loud hissing noise was everywhere. So I left the other line, feeling as though I'd already had enough. Judging by the bag and the size of lines I reckon I snorted about 140-165mg.

/feels like an idiot :(
lol
 
Anyone tried a maoi together with 4-ho-met?



Also is there anybody else than me feeling that a 30mg dose and 60mg dose takes you to the same high?
 
I've done 30mg yesterday. I was planning on doing 4-aco-dmt but accidentaly swapped the vials and ended up with 4-ho-met. I am quite experienced with mushrooms (psilocybe cubensis, psilocybe bohemica) - about 30 doses, often very strong. I almost always do the trip alone at home, I like the depths of my mind. So I am comparing the 4-ho-met to these experiences. This was my first 4-ho experience, next time it might be better, but It gave me almost nothing. The buzz was quite strong for 30mg so I know the stuff was good but my mind was shattered, I could not focus on anything, there were thousand things that bothered me. Entity connection was for about 10sec, almost no OEV and CEV. Tv didn't tell me even one thing which is very unusual for something that should be similar to mushrooms. Normally is everything synchronized with my mind and TV, music and my brain are connected and controlled by "something very intelligent", but this time - nothing. My set and setting was allright, there was not need for not being ok, but I was not. Simply said, this chemical is likely not for me :(
 
After reading all these posts, I kinda wish I had bought a set of electronic scale before I bought the MET.

It was so light. Very dusty. Like plaster, (best way I can desribe it) I figured halving the bag and racking it in two even lines would be the best idea.

Wrong.

It was a 200mg bag - so naturally, Shit. Was. Fucked.

I got through one fat line, and went to the toilet to take a leak; by the time I left the toilet walls and carpet were moving and a super loud hissing noise was everywhere. So I left the other line, feeling as though I'd already had enough. Judging by the bag and the size of lines I reckon I snorted about 140-165mg.

/feels like an idiot :(
lol

I agree with Crack4Lyfe, you should definitely write a TR.

However I'm just wondering if you've got your figures confused? You insufflated a quarter/half (couldn't work out which you meant) of a 200mg bag and yet managed to have that much?

-edit- just seen this is my first post! Hi! I was convinced I'd done some posting when I first joined..
 
What's up everyone,

Just curious about the legality of 4-ho-met in the US. I mean everyone seems to talk about it like they have a reliable spot to pick it up, almost like it's easy to find. I've never heard of it till I got on these forums and from what I've read, it would be a cool chem to try. If I'm able to pick it up online that would be pretty cool, but I have a feeling this isn't the case.

Enlighten me amigos,

-djstrip
 
Just ordered 250mg of this stuff... I'm totally excited about it. No anxiety or fear of what it holds, and i've always been scared of psychedelics!

MagickalKat777, thank you so much for clearing up my fear of trying psychedelics again. i don't know how you did it (didn't think it was possible) but you convinced me to not only lose my fear of trying them again but also become gitty about it! I appreciate your input in the thread i made earlier.
What's up everyone,

Just curious about the legality of 4-ho-met in the US. I mean everyone seems to talk about it like they have a reliable spot to pick it up, almost like it's easy to find. I've never heard of it till I got on these forums and from what I've read, it would be a cool chem to try. If I'm able to pick it up online that would be pretty cool, but I have a feeling this isn't the case.

Enlighten me amigos,

-djstrip
Become a bluelighter and your wish may be granted!
 
Cface, no prob, enjoy yourself (you totally will) and welcome back to the world of psychedelics! :)

I personally don't generally like trips that fuck with my head either so 4-HO-MET is the perfect drug for me as it has absolutely no mental component to it whatsoever. Just a nice sea of visuals floating across my field of vision :)
 
Jesus Christ dude, that is pretty reckless behaviour. Didn't you read the posts on this forum about dosing?

Anyway, how was the trip overall? I think you need to write a trip report at least.

I'll write a TR tonight. Haven't been on BL for a week or so because of work :( lol
Currently sitting on my iPhone at the train station in the city.
 
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