The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread

[djstrip]

I did this the other day and it ripped my head off.

I most always have very useful, calm, and meditative experiences with DPT. It seems nothing if not pragmatic in its approach, allowing you to systematically analyze and play with the 'interface' between body and spirit.

This time, I decided to use a high dose of DPT at the floating-down period of a 4-ho-met experience (which itself had been extremely useful, spiritually rewarding, and beautiful). I don't often IV DPT, but I had let my level of control over desire slide, and was seeking the big one that DPT'ers write about. I got chastised hard by Mother Nature for the wreckless way in which I went about this. Half-way through the injection my throat and tounge started to go numb, so I thought I'd better hurry up and finish the shot. I almost finished the barrel, because my head was floating away into a pressure zone of sonic madness, and my heart started beating about thrice it's normal pace. So I'm sitting there with a needle hanging out my arm dripping blood from an extravated vein, and the room is turning into huge vibrating tentacles of cause and effect, the karmic ramifications of damage reverberating dischordant geometries along the ontological threshold of its warped liminal precipice, shimmering with urgency in the Holy light.

I had to go to the hospital to get my vein sorted out. The walk there was a cosmic embarassment. A very powerful lesson from our divine Mother to respect the body.

Thank you Sophia.

That sounds like a good reason not to use a needle on myself ever, haha. What was the reason for the increased heart rate?

-djstrip

 

[Survived Abortion]

That sounds like a good reason not to use a needle on myself ever, haha. What was the reason for the increased heart rate?

-djstrip

Right-on! It was exactly that - a lesson to stop IV'ing chemicals. Before injecting, I was looking at the needle thinking "should I, or shouldn't I?". The higher consciousness was telling me not to, but I defied it and got my comeupance.

The increased heart-rate is an effect peculiar to DPT, commonly reported; I hadn't actually experienced tachycardia that extreme from DPT before, only minor ectopic beats. It doesn't have anything to do with 4-ho-met by itself. This was ridiculous though, and I must say quite unnerving.

The 4-ho-met trip was wonderful, much time spent in the snow staring at the hexagonal snowflakes and laughing in awe at nature's unfathomable beauty. I was later on (before the DPT) able to meditate with it to synchronise both hemispheres of the brain. Looking at pictures of a face, I noticed that one side was emotionally 'off' (the left hemisphere) and that by meditating using the image as biofeedback, I could synchronise both hemispheres. The result is a spectacular release of endogenous psychedelics, a brilliant wash of DMT colours everytime the brains were in sync. The face would morph through a spectrum of 'generic faces', culminating in an image reminiscent of biblical paintings depicting Mary, and then flush out into the most spectacularly beautiful image unshackled from borders of the ego. This was as the 4-ho-met was wearing off, and it gave me an insight in to how yoga masters really reach deep states of meditation naturally.

Let us know what you think of metocin when you try it.

 

[djstrip]

Right-on! It was exactly that - a lesson to stop IV'ing chemicals. Before injecting, I was looking at the needle thinking "should I, or shouldn't I?". The higher consciousness was telling me not to, but I defied it and got my comeupance.

The increased heart-rate is an effect peculiar to DPT, commonly reported; I hadn't actually experienced tachycardia that extreme from DPT before, only minor ectopic beats. It doesn't have anything to do with 4-ho-met by itself. This was ridiculous though, and I must say quite unnerving.

The 4-ho-met trip was wonderful, much time spent in the snow staring at the hexagonal snowflakes and laughing in awe at nature's unfathomable beauty. I was later on (before the DPT) able to meditate with it to synchronise both hemispheres of the brain. Looking at pictures of a face, I noticed that one side was emotionally 'off' (the left hemisphere) and that by meditating using the image as biofeedback, I could synchronise both hemispheres. The result is a spectacular release of endogenous psychedelics, a brilliant wash of DMT colours everytime the brains were in sync. The face would morph through a spectrum of 'generic faces', culminating in an image reminiscent of biblical paintings depicting Mary, and then flush out into the most spectacularly beautiful image unshackled from borders of the ego. This was as the 4-ho-met was wearing off, and it gave me an insight in to how yoga masters really reach deep states of meditation naturally.

Let us know what you think of metocin when you try it.

That would be way to much for me to handle, glad you're okay. I hate when I know I shouldn't do something, then I get ancy and just go for the impulse decision. Never seems to end up being a good move, haha.

The first time I rolled my heart rate went through the roof and scared the hell out of me. So DPT usually makes ones heart beat pretty fast? I think needles and excessive increased heart rate are two things that make or break certain drugs for me. I mean I can handle a little increased heart rate, but not the "beating out of my chest" kind.

Goooooooooood, the way you describe metocin makes me so jealous. I'm on a mission I think I may have found a vendor on another forum, but I have to figure out how to get a P.O. box. Seems like they'll need a lot of identification and using a false name is going to be difficult without a fake ID. From what I've gathered, I shouldn't order it and have it shipped to my home. What are your thoughts Survived Abortion? Oh I'm in the US, west coast, if that makes a difference.

I've loved all the reports I've seen for this RC, ready to join the club!

-djstrip

 

[any major dude]

finally got around to trying this one. A preliminary 3mg dose had next to no effect several days ago, so I weighed up 3 capsules, one 8mg, one 7mg, & one 9mg. Took the 8mg, pretty nice some visuals etc, mild trippy thoughts. Watched dexter & an episode of the cosby show, both were more entertaining than usual. Took the 7mg capsule at about T+2:30, this definitely kicked it up a notch, visuals were still a bit slight but very interesting, somewhere between shrooms, 4-AcO-DMT, & LSD. Definitely more distinct from other similar things than I'd expected. It had a very similar effect on faces as 4-AcO-MET, which was also pretty cool. Gonna try 12-15mg in one dose in the relatively near future, if my schedule allows.

 

[djstrip]

finally got around to trying this one. A preliminary 3mg dose had next to no effect several days ago, so I weighed up 3 capsules, one 8mg, one 7mg, & one 9mg. Took the 8mg, pretty nice some visuals etc, mild trippy thoughts. Watched dexter & an episode of the cosby show, both were more entertaining than usual. Took the 7mg capsule at about T+2:30, this definitely kicked it up a notch, visuals were still a bit slight but very interesting, somewhere between shrooms, 4-AcO-DMT, & LSD. Definitely more distinct from other similar things than I'd expected. It had a very similar effect on faces as 4-AcO-MET, which was also pretty cool. Gonna try 12-15mg in one dose in the relatively near future, if my schedule allows.

Sick, what was the comedown like for you?

-djstrip

 

[MagickalKat777]

dj - there isn't really a comedown with 4-HO-MET for most... You just gently glide down and then hopefully go to sleep.

I've stopped playing with this one for now. Doing a rapid benzo taper using NMDA antagonists and I made a stupid mistake of taking the highest dose I've ever taken (31.2mg) along with 60mg of extended release DXM (really only 15mg per hour) and had way too wild of a trip and totally threw myself off the taper train because I needed a valium to calm it down. The trip lasted for about 12 hours and the visuals were so intense I was literally afraid for my life at one point, thinking I had gone too far. I remember sitting in front of the computer as it started to kick in, in an IRC chat from another website, and watching the text start transforming into ancient text, careening around the screen. Meanwhile, I got so disassociated from my body that it was like being on a high dose of ketamine. I had no control of any over my body and was helpless as the visuals and body high just took me on a LITERAL trip... I got CEVs for the first time on this trip (I don't ever get CEVs from 4-HO-MET which was a blessing really because if it was too intense with the eyes open I could just close them) and when I closed my eyes, I was flying through a DMT-like fast-moving fractal hyperspace. I've never experienced anything like it.

People give metocin a lot less credit than it deserves... its a damn powerful psychedelic and it will really fuck you up if you take too much. I don't regret my trip but it definitely interacted negatively with the DXM and the benzo taper - my pulse and BP were through the ceiling. I stopped taking DXM the next day and waited until my memantine got here before starting my benzo taper back up again.

I will say though... That was an intense ride. Not as intense as MDA, MDMA, 2C-D, and mushrooms was but it was pretty damn close.

 

[djstrip]

dj - there isn't really a comedown with 4-HO-MET for most... You just gently glide down and then hopefully go to sleep.

I've stopped playing with this one for now. Doing a rapid benzo taper using NMDA antagonists and I made a stupid mistake of taking the highest dose I've ever taken (31.2mg) along with 60mg of extended release DXM (really only 15mg per hour) and had way too wild of a trip and totally threw myself off the taper train because I needed a valium to calm it down. The trip lasted for about 12 hours and the visuals were so intense I was literally afraid for my life at one point, thinking I had gone too far. I remember sitting in front of the computer as it started to kick in, in an IRC chat from another website, and watching the text start transforming into ancient text, careening around the screen. Meanwhile, I got so disassociated from my body that it was like being on a high dose of ketamine. I had no control of any over my body and was helpless as the visuals and body high just took me on a LITERAL trip... I got CEVs for the first time on this trip (I don't ever get CEVs from 4-HO-MET which was a blessing really because if it was too intense with the eyes open I could just close them) and when I closed my eyes, I was flying through a DMT-like fast-moving fractal hyperspace. I've never experienced anything like it.

People give metocin a lot less credit than it deserves... its a damn powerful psychedelic and it will really fuck you up if you take too much. I don't regret my trip but it definitely interacted negatively with the DXM and the benzo taper - my pulse and BP were through the ceiling. I stopped taking DXM the next day and waited until my memantine got here before starting my benzo taper back up again.

I will say though... That was an intense ride. Not as intense as MDA, MDMA, 2C-D, and mushrooms was but it was pretty damn close.

Cool cool, thanks Magic. That trip sounds pretty damn intense. So the text on the webpage just started to change shape and form ancient letters? Sounds like the beginning was sick and then just got over the top.

-djstrip

 

[Frank Lucas]

I find this stuff fun and lighthearted - but not in the sense that there is no mental component - the mental component is very strong and I find myself thinking about things in ways that I seldom normally do. The overriding theme is that human beings are really, really silly. We act silly. We dress silly. We take silly things seriously. Our entire civilized world is loaded with absurdity. And before I have a deep worry or anxious thought - I try to remember just how silly I realized we all really are when I was tripping on 4-HO-MET.

There is also a serious side - I found myself contemplating morality for a short period of time, say from t+45 to t+60. This substance caused me to examine the situation of finding a wallet in the street. It made me admit to myself what I would most likely do with the wallet if found (take all the money and spend it selfishly). It also led me to conclude that the God of my understanding would not only be watching at that precise moment, but that he would have purposely put me in that situation and that how I responded to that test would weigh heavily in his judgment of me. I began to feel anxiety and I was able to let go of this subject once I had drawn all of my conclusions.

Lastly, it greatly enhanced my sense of both smell and taste. As my 33mg trip levelled off a bit, I went into a shopping mall. The smell of perfume was absolutely repulsive! So vile, artificial, and toxic. Nothing should smell like man-made perfume. I retreated to the food court and had some chicken teriaki, which was absolutely divine. Instead of tasting chicken teriaki as a whole, I could taste every single ingredient individually. I contemplated how amazing it was that such ingredients that originate from different parts of the world could come together into an orgy of pleasure. The human race has come a long way.

Sexually, I felt dulled. Sex was attempted but, it seemed that while the skin-on-skin tactile sensations of the sexual act were in fact heightened, that they strangely did not translate into hedonistic pleasure the way that they normally would. I felt more, but enjoyed less. It was a strange paradox. My wife who was on a 16mg, felt rather anhedonic was well, and we moved more and more slowly until we were simply embracing. It was as though we both understood how the substance made the other felt and that sex was best saved for when we were sober or on a substance the enhanced or at least did not inhibit the pleasure each other felt.

 

[djstrip]

I find this stuff fun and lighthearted - but not in the sense that there is no mental component - the mental component is very strong and I find myself thinking about things in ways that I seldom normally do. The overriding theme is that human beings are really, really silly. We act silly. We dress silly. We take silly things seriously. Our entire civilized world is loaded with absurdity. And before I have a deep worry or anxious thought - I try to remember just how silly I realized we all really are when I was tripping on 4-HO-MET.

There is also a serious side - I found myself contemplating morality for a short period of time, say from t+45 to t+60. This substance caused me to examine the situation of finding a wallet in the street. It made me admit to myself what I would most likely do with the wallet if found (take all the money and spend it selfishly). It also led me to conclude that the God of my understanding would not only be watching at that precise moment, but that he would have purposely put me in that situation and that how I responded to that test would weigh heavily in his judgment of me. I began to feel anxiety and I was able to let go of this subject once I had drawn all of my conclusions.

Lastly, it greatly enhanced my sense of both smell and taste. As my 33mg trip levelled off a bit, I went into a shopping mall. The smell of perfume was absolutely repulsive! So vile, artificial, and toxic. Nothing should smell like man-made perfume. I retreated to the food court and had some chicken teriaki, which was absolutely divine. Instead of tasting chicken teriaki as a whole, I could taste every single ingredient individually. I contemplated how amazing it was that such ingredients that originate from different parts of the world could come together into an orgy of pleasure. The human race has come a long way.

Sexually, I felt dulled. Sex was attempted but, it seemed that while the skin-on-skin tactile sensations of the sexual act were in fact heightened, that they strangely did not translate into hedonistic pleasure the way that they normally would. I felt more, but enjoyed less. It was a strange paradox. My wife who was on a 16mg, felt rather anhedonic was well, and we moved more and more slowly until we were simply embracing. It was as though we both understood how the substance made the other felt and that sex was best saved for when we were sober or on a substance the enhanced or at least did not inhibit the pleasure each other felt.

Awesome report Frank, thanks for all the detail. That's really interesting how you were able to taste all the different ingredients in the chicken, what a trip.

-djstrip

 

[any major dude]

Sick, what was the comedown like for you?

-djstrip

I usually don't have much of a "comedown" so to speak from psychedelics. The trip just slowly faded away, I felt not as sharp as i would be normally & a little bit goofy, but i feel the exact same way from most of the 4-sub tryptamines i've tried. Sometimes coming down off LSD can be a bit irritating, but that's not so much the comedown as being a bit tired or trying to go to sleep before the effects have worn off

With 2c's, i usually have a pretty similar fading of the trip as opposed to negative "comedown" effects.

Things like MDMA, M1, meph do have a pretty intense comedown, but in general psychs are nothing like that.

 

[sk4nx]

I just received 250mg of this substance yesterday. After reading all the trip reports from other people, this psych seemed right up my alley. I'm gonna start off with a nice 25mg dose and build up from there.

 

[djstrip]

I usually don't have much of a "comedown" so to speak from psychedelics. The trip just slowly faded away, I felt not as sharp as i would be normally & a little bit goofy, but i feel the exact same way from most of the 4-sub tryptamines i've tried. Sometimes coming down off LSD can be a bit irritating, but that's not so much the comedown as being a bit tired or trying to go to sleep before the effects have worn off

With 2c's, i usually have a pretty similar fading of the trip as opposed to negative "comedown" effects.

Things like MDMA, M1, meph do have a pretty intense comedown, but in general psychs are nothing like that.

Cool, yea sounds like a majority of people are having these types of comedowns so I'm looking forward to getting my batch. Thanks for the info Major.

I just received 250mg of this substance yesterday. After reading all the trip reports from other people, this psych seemed right up my alley. I'm gonna start off with a nice 25mg dose and build up from there.

What's up Sk4nx, I haven't tried it yet, but from I've read you should start with a lower dose (8-10mg). I think 25mg was a higher dose for some people.

-djstrip

 

[Survived Abortion]

I haven't tried it yet, but from I've read you should start with a lower dose (8-10mg). I think 25mg was a higher dose for some people.

-djstrip

Djstrip bud, I think if you're after nice soft jovial eye-candy experience which isn't too intense, definitely feel it out at a lower dose. I'd say 10-15mg will give you a perfect feel for what it's all about. It is a real tease though: like moxy the desire to redose is strong, but the effects are remarkably different.

Don't be afraid to explore the upper territory here either - just surrender to mother nature and let her seduce you. This stuff can get very DMT-like at higher doses, I'm not the only person with this opinion, although I thought I was. There is definitely alot of room for fun, exploration, and play using this one.

 

[djstrip]

Djstrip bud, I think if you're after nice soft jovial eye-candy experience which isn't too intense, definitely feel it out at a lower dose. I'd say 10-15mg will give you a perfect feel for what it's all about. It is a real tease though: like moxy the desire to redose is strong, but the effects are remarkably different.

Don't be afraid to explore the upper territory here either - just surrender to mother nature and let her seduce you. This stuff can get very DMT-like at higher doses, I'm not the only person with this opinion, although I thought I was. There is definitely alot of room for fun, exploration, and play using this one.

Well let me start my response with I've officially ordered my 4-ho-met and I am super excited.

Cool, I'll test it out with like 5mg to see if I have weird reactions and then I'll bump it up from there. How much should I space the days apart when I use this RC?

I think I definitely will explore the higher territory, but it'll be a little while before I'm on your level. I wish I was able to trip with you guys on here, haha.


I'm so pumped up for this ,

-djstrip

 

[quickslide]

Anyone tried using MAOI with 4-ho-met? Can there be any dangers?

 

[any major dude]

Well let me start my response with I've officially ordered my 4-ho-met and I am super excited.

Cool, I'll test it out with like 5mg to see if I have weird reactions and then I'll bump it up from there. How much should I space the days apart when I use this RC?

I think I definitely will explore the higher territory, but it'll be a little while before I'm on your level. I wish I was able to trip with you guys on here, haha.


I'm so pumped up for this ,

-djstrip

That sounds like a good plan. Generally you want to wait at least 3-5 days to negate tolerance, dunno if you'd need to wait longer with this one or not. Generally also its recommended to wait longer than that between trips for various reasons, but between a low dose test & a more active dose, 3-5 days should be good.

Anyone tried using MAOI with 4-ho-met? Can there be any dangers?

Not that i'm aware of outside of the standard dangers associated with MAOI potentiation, which are considerable enough to make me leave it alone Also, why? this one is already pretty potent as is.

 

[Zodiakk]

If I do try it, I am certainly not smoking it.

 

[Listening]

Got to sample 15mg last night. Great stuff for a night with the wife, listening to music and watching comedy. Goes great with weed, but I say that about all psychedelics. Here's the trip report.

I may sample again soon. What dosage would be recommended if I wanted a doubling of intensity from 15mg?

 

[djstrip]

That sounds like a good plan. Generally you want to wait at least 3-5 days to negate tolerance, dunno if you'd need to wait longer with this one or not. Generally also its recommended to wait longer than that between trips for various reasons, but between a low dose test & a more active dose, 3-5 days should be good.



Not that i'm aware of outside of the standard dangers associated with MAOI potentiation, which are considerable enough to make me leave it alone Also, why? this one is already pretty potent as is.

Cool, cool, that sounds good to me.

Got to sample 15mg last night. Great stuff for a night with the wife, listening to music and watching comedy. Goes great with weed, but I say that about all psychedelics. Here's the trip report.

I may sample again soon. What dosage would be recommended if I wanted a doubling of intensity from 15mg?

I'm gonna read the report right now, brb.

Thanks everyone for the insight,

-djstrip

-----EDIT-----

Great report Listening!

 

[quickslide]

Not that i'm aware of outside of the standard dangers associated with MAOI potentiation, which are considerable enough to make me leave it alone Also, why? this one is already pretty potent as is.

It's far from potent enough for me. 60mg doesn't even take me to level 3.

Using maoi is safe but I'm not sure if it's safe with 4-ho-met. Probably is though..