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The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread

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See the thing is I'm not so sure I like "thinking" too much on these. See, this is why I don't like shrooms that much, they can become very dark. when I tried 4-ho-mipt hcl back a few years ago it blew away almost any psychedelic except for DMT, 2cP, and LSA/D. Now the fumerate I find to be very weak and nothing like the HCL. Most PEAs includ. 2cP make me sick now.
Anyway... the thing I liked about 4-ho-mipt was the superior visuals, potency, and music intensification. It would put me in a psychedelic party space rather than a contemplative space. It was just an all around good time, a drug rather than a tool I guess you could say. 4-ho-dipt was weak and weird. 4-ho-det was interesting but definately lacked the "magic" that I've only found in classic psychedelics along with miprocin(Hcl). Being that I've never had these tested to know for sure I can't say what the diffrences between "hcl" and "fumerate" actually are or if it's just me.
 
Xorkoth, should I submit the above experience under trip reports section, or does it qualify? I've been doing some research and noticed that my girlfriend and I aren't the only ones who've experienced the extreme boredom effect with this substance...
 
I can say that my girlfriend and me, we are not the only ones that we have a good time with this substance. The trip is sometimes bored even with potent psychedelic as the LSD.
 
4-ho-met/met-huasca

i just tried 4-ho-met at 10mg insufflated with 300mg of moclobemide. first of all it was the only thing i have ever insufflated that caused no pain whatsoever. period. if the powder had not disappeared i would not have known it went up my nose!

brief summery:
i take 300mg moclobemide, and 40min later take 45mg n,n-MET f. about two hours later i am throughly underwhelmed, the last nail in the MET coffin for me. strong vibrations, no hallucinations, antisocial, inarticulate, drunk headed, and several other things i dont enjoy in a psychedelic. I'm annoyed. i weigh out 10mg 4-ho-met and have a sniff, in less than five minutes the mood has changed. the stupor is lifted and replaced with a incisive stimulation. there is not a single visual or sensory distortion in sight, not a one. not anything. but my mind is flooded with emotion. i wonder would psychedelics have ever become illegal if they all behaved like this? i eat party mix alone in the dark laughing and delighting in the flavor, then i think of JD salinger and start crying. i cannot speak a word to my gf. i think about my father and wonder how he is able to tolerate the insanity of the world without needing drugs, my thinking is wonderfully practical. this is the most useful synthetic 4-sub i have ever tried. i felt fantastic afterwards. this is something very special, i hope everyone has a closer look.

also i think the whole natural vs. synthetic debate is pretty useless, but its undeniable that in terms of 4-subs every step you take away from the sacred mushroom is a step in the wrong direction. obviously some will disagree but to me this is very clear.

in my experience:
4-ho-dmt>4-aco-dmt>4-ho-met>4-ho-mipt>4-ho-dipt
 
4-ho-met and me

I recently had the chance to try some 4-ho-met with an experienced psyconaught friend of mine.
we ingested 25mgs in a capsule swallowed down with some water at approx 9pm.
earlier we had some gbl but not enough to dampen the effects of the trip in any fashion, it was already worn off by the time the first effects of the 4-ho-met could be felt.
sitting in 2 recliner leather arm chairs with fantastic home entertainment system at the ready we settled in for the unknown, with various psy-trance videos playing and the sound set for maximum effect.
10 mins in i noticed (as usual with me) my peripheral vision slowly taking on a life of its own with various shapes and forms appearing and disappearing.
20 mins in i would say it was pretty much full throttle,
the visuals were intense yet comforting fractal patterns and faces, sound distortion and enhancment so nothing out of the ordinary for a psychoactive apart from the rapid onset.
1 hour in visuals were amazing from crocodiles on the floor walking around my legs(which seemed perfectly natural of course hehe) to the fireplace looking like a big smiling train from a nineteen 50s cartoon. severe sound distortion echoes of everything almost pre-echoes of thoughts before speech was made. i closed my eyes to see what the c.e.v were like and was astounded by the realness of what i was seeing snakes with peoples heads which all seemed perfectly natrul and not in the least discomforting.
the lines between the real world and the effects produced by the 4-ho-met were now completely dissolving, and then it happened
approx two and a half hours in we were listening to some dark psy-trance (travel in the castle by syntrax) near the end of the song i lost all control, sound vision everything became like a washing machine the world around me was gone i wasnt me and it scared the shit out of me (pardon my french)
i mentioned my discomfort to my friend who by now had disappeared yet i could hear his voice echoing around the room,
we decided to go outside to see if there was any change in my position,
3 hrs in we are out in the back garden on a very clear night with a laser pointer picking out the stars. we talked about my experience and what it might have meant, it wasn't a bad experience just such a profound one it blew my mind and left me very edgy, was it ego dissolving? was it complete brain spasm?(lol) im not sure what it was but as everything went the way it did in the room i remember feeling at the time like i was just about to get to where i wanted with the 4-ho-met maybe i was just holding on reality too much and got freaked when i didnt understand what was happening, anywho,
4 hours in we go back inside have some tea and chat about what we though of the drug as by now it was wearing off with just mild visuals and giggling.
over all i would recommend this to anyone who has experience with the inner workings of the mind and not for people just looking for a buzz or a quick high,
i feel like i cheated myself out of something fantastic by holding on to reality that evening so if there is a next time as this is rare stuff i will be more open to the unknown.
id give it a 9/10 for visual
7/10 for audio enhancement
no body load whatsoever
an overall great if unfamiliar experience
its a deff must do again but one to treat with respect
 
I wonder why this chem isn`t researched by more people. Its definitely one of "the special ones" for me. Its so like mushrooms but with some very strange twists. The major effects for me are crazy and colourful visuals, mush nicer than mushrooms or 4-aco-dmt. One unique effect I get also from 4-ho-met are some very strange audio effects. Sounds echo a lot and I also get a strange Pre-echo thing that I hear before the real sound actually happens.

Its also the only psychedelic to give me really strong synesthesia.

I have only tried this compound twice, definitely one to try again.
 
People have been talking about how this chem leaves them "bored" and "uninspired". I definitely get this way with 2c-e, and I've also heard the headspace of 4-HO-MET compared to 2C-E.

Is it likely that 4-HO-MET will effect me like this? Of all the psilocin analogues (is that the correct term?) which is the least like that? I like a strong mental shift when tripping, 2c-e was sensory play and nothing more to me, from 10-20mg.
 
Well that truly proves we are all different and your question is impossible to answer.

for myself and many others 2c-e is very intense and produces a remarkable "mental shift."
i feel like 4 ho MET is capable of doing the same.

its all dependant on dosage
 
i dont think 4-ho-met is anything like 2c-e, it was ALOT like psilocin though. IMO 4-ho-met is the best 4-sub-T out there (thats not an ester of psilocin) its really great, incredible, like non-visual 4-aco-dmt. a first class psychedelic. 2c-e on the other hand is something i dont really enjoy.
 
4-ho-met made me feel more like a child than any other psychedelic has. It was an extremely fun, goofy afternoon. A very kind and gentle psychedelic. It lasted surprisingly long too, still going a bit after 6 hours.
 
anondragonfly said:
4-ho-met made me feel more like a child than any other psychedelic has. It was an extremely fun, goofy afternoon. A very kind and gentle psychedelic. It lasted surprisingly long too, still going a bit after 6 hours.
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At what dose?

I can relate to the feeling, although it's something I can get generally with psychedelics. I think it depends more on dosage (with low-medium doses giving a child like quality; lower ones just a bit of "edge" and higher ones a full ego-confrontation/destruction).
 
23mg. Honestly I think that this particular quality may have had nothing to do with the chemical and more the set/setting. I had a hard time finding the differences between metocin and other 4-sub-Ts and this was the most standout. I found it a great chemical, but perhaps a bit generic in its tryptamine-ness.
 
For me:

Lower Doses (8 - 18mg): Gentle, fun, playful, goofy, visual.

Higher Doses (20 - 26): Very visual, and often quite beautiful, but spiritually/mentally underwhelming. Even at ego-dissolving, hyperspace levels, there was a detachment, and a "fakeness"... I saw entities, but there was no real intelligence behind them.

It's super friendly but not especially deep. Something is missing.

The only other 4-sub-T's I've had are 4-ho-mipt, and 4-aco-mipt... & they are WORLDS apart. -mipt is where the magic is. True godliness in those molecules.
 
Mjäll said:
Non-visual much in the same way amphetamine is non-stimulant, cannabis is non-cannabinoid, alcohol is non-intoxicating and morphine is non-pain-suppressant, yes. 8)
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thats a REALLY interesting point, the only possible explanation is that the effects of psychedelics might be subjective 8)
could this be?
 
hamhurricane said:
thats a REALLY interesting point, the only possible explanation is that the effects of psychedelics might be subjective 8)
could this be?
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Yeah, I'm just expressing my differences in experience with 4-ho-met. Sorry if I come off as rude - it was just a testament to the overwhelming visual power of this substance.
 
no prob, i must admit the only time i took 4-ho-met it was 10mg insufflated ontop of 300mg of moclobemide on top of 40mg of n,n-MET fumerate taken orally, and despite all of this i still experience minimal visual effects! im not one of those people who never hallucinates, i get color saturation just from smoking weed, so i guess i really did have an idiosyncratic reaction.
 
I tried this compound for the first time last weekend. My last tryptamine experience, aside from DMT, was in January '08. That trip was a true peak experience with 4-HO-DMT/4-AcO-DMT (IM) ... I submitted a trip report that a few of you may have read. I roughly tried to reapproximate the setting of that trip for a friend, except this time we both took 23 mg 4-HO-MET orally. We watched the BBC's Planet Earth while listening to Sigur Ros (among others). My friend found the intense body rushes and somatic hallucinations distracting early in the experience. There was a very abrupt peak. Visually, the compound was quite spectacular, but the melting walls and spiraling fractals seemed to lack the immersiveness of 4-HO-DMT. The experience ended up being a good time, but it was never profound or insightful. Overall I was quite disappointed with with this compound, but I can't write it off with only one experience.

I ended up adding 40 mg ketamine (IM) toward the end. I watched snow fall outside while listening to Kid A (an album I haven't listened to in a long time) and dancing like an idiot around my apartment.

Snow last weekend, temps in the 80s this weekend ... gotta love NC. <3
 
Kid A ? I love radiohead...

Did 4-HO-MET only once and it felt profoundly like "just another psychedelic" to me. fairly short-acting on what might have been 15mg. Never felt the urge to repeat, though one day I might. I suppose the reason I never repeated is mainly the availability of 4-xx-mipt and 4-xx-DMT and 4-xx-Dipt... all of which I prefer. If they didn't exist, I would probably have had more 4-HO-MET.

That reminds me of my little stash of 4-ACO-DET... I've never tried that one... yet
 
I had a pretty sour experience with 4-ho-met a couple of days ago. It was very sloppy, slapped-together, generic, bland, random, pointless, etc. To put it bluntly, metocin seems like a retard tripping over its own feet. There were moments of aesthetic richness, but overall very disappointing.

I also experienced some disturbing somatic hallucinations, such as something crawling into my ear, an injection in my back, and odd localized feelings of numbness. Not good.
 
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