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The Big & Dandy 4-HO-MET Thread - Part 2

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HighestWhenLow said:
A couple days ago I was able to try metocin for the first time at 8mg along with 80mg 4-fa. I know trying something for the first time in a combination isn't the best idea, but A) I'm very experienced with 4-fa and don't consider it much of a variable, and B) I went on a long bike ride and 4-fa is my go-to enhancer for biking, so I thought the extra stimulation wouldn't hurt since I would be expending so much energy.
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I thought the combination worked well but I've only had a chance to try it once at a camping mini-fest last summer. Good night out & a fine combo.

I would expect some cross-tolerance between MDMA & 4-FA & I wouldn't be surprised if the met increased it.
 
Madrus said:
This batch smells like a dead rotting fish. It's really strange. Is that the Indole smell I've heard people mention before?
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This recent batch is possibly the most offensive smelling chem I've come across yet; be sure to use layers when storing or dear gods, everything in near vicinity will reek. The two batches I came across prior to this did not smell anything like this one. I too wonder if this odor is normal or an impurity or contaminant of sorts? If anyone has any input it would be greatly appreciated. I'm hesitant to do anything with it. I've smelled some strange smells but this one takes the cake. 8o
 
Definitely smells terrible, I've had other batches than this recent one that did have a really bad smell. Maybe the more you have the stronger the smell. Testing of this new stinky batch by others concluded positive results.
 
Well I tried out the smelly batch. At 22mg, it was okay. It felt like a psychedelic, but without any of the fun parts. I'll play around with it some more though, later on.
 
Have you tried HO-MET before? Any comparison to other batches you've tried? It's not a very deep or thought provoking, if that's what you mean by "without any of the fun parts"
 
That was my first time SleepingTaper, so I couldn't compare it.
Although I did try it again recently, this time was with 24mg and it was better, but it seems to come with too many physical side effects that other tryptamines lacked. Such as heart rate, uncomfortable muscles, pin-pricks on my skin, and just a general body load. Although my friends didn't experience these effects so it may just be me.
The trip was nice though, pretty visuals, not very deep at all, nice stuff.
 
I've had two batches, one grey clumpy that didn't smell, and this stinky powdery stuff. Stinky stuff kicks the others ass. Pretty sweet at 85mgs oral, glorious body high, intricate visuals, still able to cook a fairly involved dinner. Just as advertized.
 
Madrus said:
Well I tried out the smelly batch. At 22mg, it was okay. It felt like a psychedelic, but without any of the fun parts. I'll play around with it some more though, later on.
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I too just recently got some 4-ho-met that smells like fish, its been nearly 3 years but other than the old fish smell everything is just as I remembered, high quality just a weird fishy odor haha. But really you didn't find it to be that fun? It is lacking in mental depth and those "ah ha!" moments about life that other tryptamines give you, but that aside I've always considered 4-ho-met to be one of the most fun/funniest drugs I've ever done. For me when I do it by myself its always one of those trips I just can not stop laughing the whole trip, and finding humor in everything, I have a smile on my face from start to finish, but when taken with friends I find it has an almost cocaine like flow for conversation, you just talk about everything under the sun and it comes so naturally. Every time I've done its left me with a "that really hit the spot" type mentality.

Though I do agree with you about the heart rate/blood pressure sometimes. With most 4-subs like 4-ho-mipt or 4-aco-dmt ect I usually end up dosing 1 or 2 more times after the first dose but other than the first time I tried it, each time once the first dose has pretty much worn off I just feel very drained and notice a higher heart rate blood pressure and decide not to take it any further. How did you take it? I've noticed that insufflation speeds up any negative effects caused during the come up so I'd recommend trying that if you're experiencing some unpleasant body loads on it.
 
Thanks for the info. I just took it orally both times. I can't imagine that dead-fish smell up my nose and then dripping down my throat.

Maybe I should elaborate on that first trip, when I said "without the fun parts". It's not just the lack of depth that made me complain, I expected that much. But it was that first time simply had no euphoria, a harsh body load, and it just felt like I was being altered in a psychedelic way, but not really "tripping". It's hard to explain. There were some drab visuals, with some trails, etc, but nothing as cool as that 2nd trip.

The second trip was in a completely different setting though, so I feel like that played a big part in it. The second time being with my friends instead of alone, and having a fun night full of euphoria. Opposed to just in my dark room, nothing really to do, focusing on the body load and unable to get comfortable.

Sometimes I feel like it's more about the setting than the drug itself.
 
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Madrus said:
Sometimes I feel like it's more about the setting than the drug itself.
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I pretty much always feel like this. With psychedelics I will select mostly based on duration and then let the setting do the rest.
 
Madrus said:
Maybe I should elaborate on that first trip, when I said "without the fun parts". It's not just the lack of depth that made me complain, I expected that much. But it was that first time simply had no euphoria, a harsh body load, and it just felt like I was being altered in a psychedelic way, but not really "tripping". It's hard to explain. There were some drab visuals, with some trails, etc, but nothing as cool as that 2nd trip..
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I just had a trip similar to yours other than I was tripping pretty damn hard at times (faces everywhere, sounds doing crazy things). But instead of my normal euphoria and great body high I was dysphoric and felt sickly, pale, stupid and sluggish the whole time.
The opposite trip.
It happens.
 
I have total of 40 mg of 4-HO-MET: 2 caps of 10 mg each. And one of 20.
This Sun would like to try it for the first time. Have few experiences with 4-HO-MIPT with up to 25 mg ( which was very intense but amazingly insigntful with mind blasting visials after the rough come up) But find Miprocin a bit too stimulating lately.
Thinking of doing 10 mg Metocin and possibly another 5 or 10 if it seems not enough. Or would doing 12-15 all together be a better idea? I have never bumped Phycedelics before and never felt the need to. But find uncomfortable with low dose Phycedelics. Hoping for a good insightful trip. :-)
 
I took 22.4 mg's exactly the second time. Much more visuals then 20.0 mg's.

Some OEVs were the same as with 30.0 mg's of 4-ACO-DMT. Constantly my visual field was split into multiple hexagons (could be octagons). They were like 20cm's width. Each hexagon looked the same, with dots in the corners of the borders. They were coloured some how. A few times I saw an eye in each hexagon staring at me.

As I was telling my friend that I had this OEV, that looked in this aspect familiar with 4-ACO-DMT, he recognized it immediately from his own 30 mg's 4-ACO-DMT trip we had a while back. So, I am absolutely sure there is a link between these two compounds. There must be a psilocin-like distortion of form.

I am very intriged by the visual aspect of both these compounds give me. I am wondering very much if someone here has more knowledge about this "hexagon" OEV? Maybe a link to more information about this. I would be greatful.
 
Almost all 4-subs, hell almost all tryptamines, are very similar in that respect. Especially DMT and MET (and their respective analogs) because they indeed are so similar, both structurally and subjectively. With MET being more of a "light" version, somewhat.

If you want something a bit different try a phenethylamine, a 5-Meo, DiPT or 4-HO-DiPT. Then again, you're just messing with different flavours of the same thing, so if that's even needed is up for debate
 
kidklmx said:
Almost all 4-subs, hell almost all tryptamines, are very similar in that respect. Especially DMT and MET (and their respective analogs) because they indeed are so similar, both structurally and subjectively. With MET being more of a "light" version, somewhat.

If you want something a bit different try a phenethylamine, a 5-Meo, DiPT or 4-HO-DiPT. Then again, you're just messing with different flavours of the same thing, so if that's even needed is up for debate
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I only experienced some similarities between 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-met in OEVs. I disagree that all 4-subs are very similar in that respect. 4-ho-mipt and 4-ho-dipt are _totally_ different for me, and I took them 8 and 3 times respectively, even mixed them together.

With 5-meo-mipt and phenethylamines like 2c-c and 2c-d I experienced a _totally_ different experience too, not just something a bit different for me.

But anyways, for me it's just I am intrigued by these hexagon (with sometimes eye) OEVs with 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-met. Maybe someone wrote about it?
 
Agreed to a certain extent, sure there's a whole load of differences otherwise there'd be no fun in exploring these chemicals, but from the tryptamines I've tried the visuals are all extremely geometry based. Which can look different, but it's still very similar IMO. Setting could play a big role in the differences you note, but I don't think we'll come to a logical conclusion as it could be both

You could look in to sacred geometry, though most of the stuff written on the subject is a load of crap.
 
Quick trip report on 4-ho-met. I have done most common psychadelics a number of times. Acid mainly. I have done 4-ho-met maybe 7 times. 10mg-30mg.

It was ~6pm
I over did it by accident. I was quite stoned at the time and my own fault I messed up the numbers in my head. I took ~60mg. Maybe more. I don't really remember much from then but I can remember the little pile of powder thinking it was a lot. 20 mins after swallowing it I knew what I had done and just buckled down. OEV's were intense. Maybe 500ug+ acid. So intense that my mind hadn't really caught up, I felt sober but was tripping balls. The next few hours I enjoyed music and the experience was good until I went to bed, maybe 8 hours from dropping. I got very depressed and started having bad thoughts. I was never going to do anything, but the fact I was thinking such negative things was not nice. The next day was brutal. I had to meet family and I was still trying to get over the trip. It tore me down mentally towards the end and I regretted doing it. Over the week I started to feel better but it did take days. A week later I was back to baseline mentally and I was thankful for the trip. I learnt a lot but would never recommend that dose to anyone and am definitely not pushing it that far with an RC again.
 
Are there available in vitro binding assays for 4homet (are we really calling it "metocin", aka "medicine"? :P)? It's so light on the mind and euphoric compared with the heavier hitting 4-hos, I have to wonder.

ebola
 
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