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Interesting, so theoretically one could try blasting themselves pretty far out without worrying much about getting stuck somewhere unpleasant for too long? With acid for instance if one blasts too far they might be in for riding out a nightmare for hours on end. I'm sure the mindstate this produces is nothing like acid either, but the brevity makes me wonder if going above and beyond what one is comfortable with isn't such a worrisome idea?Sure perhaps I’ll put my trip report up but for now I will quote a relevant passage:"It is worth commenting on the comparison that has been drawn between this and MiPT (on Bluelight) but it wasn’t really like it from what I remember. MiPT was “ok”; very mild (which is where the clumsy simile may come in) with a duration of 6-8hrs. It had a sort of generic synthetic trpytamine type signature and low key head space. You might be able to use it as a museum dose type thing or as a mild social or thinking type thing but it didn’t offer much. I don't know what a higher would do, it didn't seem it would necessarily provide much more. It didn't have the sensory aspect that some find in a couple of the 5MeOs. Concluding, McPT is odd stuff‘ as is oft said of experimental chemicals.It’s largely simply stoning with some visual component, and the stand out feature of this trip was the sudden in and out. It's brevity (orally) is unrivalled. (edit) it seemed to come on very suddenly and then evaporate, the most notable level of effect being little more than 20min.” Worth noting the total duration was about 2hrs so the the ideal that the cyclopropyl turned to an isopropyl seems wrong (also plausably supported by some other data I’m aware of); most of the tests conducted by others were by insufflation and not considered outstanding but one party insufflated a very large amount and found it a candyflossDMT type experience of worth. Sadly never tried 4HO-MIPT but the fact it seems quite good when MIPT is modest suggests 4HO-McPT could be worthwhile but what alteration the hydroxy adds I don’t know. Hope that helps
Wouldn't the real risk be the potentiation of the effects? I remember reading somewhere about MAOIs and substituted tryptamines, basically unless you have a death wish of the ego variety sort, that is unless you want to potentiate the effects to a possibly mind damaging level (not brain, the risk isn't physical it is psychological as the effects can be potentiated to falling into a dimensional abyss and losing your damn mind levels) or at least according to a thread I read on this topic, could probably dig it up if I had the time using Google. Edit (sorry for the spacing of this post editing it messed it up cannot alter the spacing now): Misunderstood the person asking about a MAOI concern. Just do not take these compounds while taking an MAOI. They are not like DMT in that taking a MAOI is favorable, or even like taking some Rue with fungus if one is feeling like a jungle shaman. Substituted tryptamines + MAOI = Danger, danger you must be a deranged lone ranger!In Tranylcypromine ("Parnate"), the cyclopropyl group does indeed lead to Irreversible MAO Inhibition. However, the cyclopropyl in that drug is sandwiched between the Phenyl and the amine (it's essentially just amphetamine with the ethyl and alpha-methyl groups fused into a cyclopropyl ring). With 4-HO-McPT, on the other hand, the cyclopropyl is only connected to the terminal amine, so maybe it could get dealkylated/deaminated without permanently gumming up the enzyme.As for DNA damage - there is a number of prescription pharmaceuticals with cyclopropyl groups attached to them that would probably have been taken off the market already if they were carcinogenic in any significant way; Prazepam, for one, comes to mind. Since the average psychonaut probably isn't going to ingest more than one-hundred miligrams of 4-HO-McPT in a month, I kind of doubt you're exposing yourself to a major cancer risk with it either.
I once took 4-HO-MIPT while taking a MAOI herb daily for sometime. It didn't cross my mind the herb would have an effect on the compound but I was so eager to try I didn't really care to give it a second thought lol, be careful with herbs and drugs. I thought I was going to die. I thought I was going to lose my mind. I've never felt that scared, scared to death, on any other drug before and I have experienced ego death and delusions that I actually died physically on mushrooms. One time I called 911 and told them I was dying (some cops showed up with an ambulance and my friend ended up taking me home a half hour later from the hospital, I was coming down by this point) after my sitter had left caused I wigged so hard and stripped myself naked and he was unable to control me, I was running around the neighborhood into neighbors garages (ate one too many grams of what must have been specimens of an underestimated potency) and then I thought I was really dying after I went into trance for what seemed like an hour, totally out of body and having a waking dream, inexplicable stuff, shamanic trance describes it pretty accurately there was no cohesion or control it was quite literally the dream controlling me and I had left the immediate environment in my mind as does happen to me when I eat a certain amount of mushrooms, out of body trances.
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