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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-HO-DPT Thread

allium said:
It is good to hear that 4-HO-DPT is different from other 4-substituted tryptamines, because 4-AcO-DMT totally sucked for me, and 4-HO-MET was too generic. Anyhow, I think I'll try this 4-substituted tryptamine before others.
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I haven't tried DPT though. That's the next RC I really would want to try. Has anyone tried both DPT and 4-HO-DPT? What are the differences? I think DPT is the one 4-HO-DPT should be compared to.

Btw allium, a bit off-topic but why did 4-AcO-DMT suck for you?
 
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Can anyone comment on whether or not the freebase of this chemical is smokable? I understand 4-AcO-DMT (and psylocin) are unable to be smoked at all, but does that go with all 4-AcO/4-HO tryptamines in either freebase or other forms?
 
I've tried them both and I found 4-HO-DPT less transporting at roughly the same dosage level (50 mg DPT vs 60 mg 4-HO-DPT). I want to try it at higher dosages though, since it was indeed different from 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-DiPT and 4-AcO-MiPT.
 
boiledfruit said:
Can anyone comment on whether or not the freebase of this chemical is smokable? I understand 4-AcO-DMT (and psylocin) are unable to be smoked at all, but does that go with all 4-AcO/4-HO tryptamines in either freebase or other forms?
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Nope, it's not smokable.

immad said:
I've tried them both and I found 4-HO-DPT less transporting at roughly the same dosage level (50 mg DPT vs 60 mg 4-HO-DPT). I want to try it at higher dosages though, since it was indeed different from 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-DiPT and 4-AcO-MiPT.
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I've tried DPT too now but still prefer 4-HO-DPT at higher doses (75-100 mg). 100 mg resulted in total ego death and disintegration of myself. I've found the bodyload on DPT to be more unpleasant too. 4-HO-DPT is still the best introspective tryptamine for me of all I tried.
 
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Dunno how long tolerance with these tryptamines last, but today i'm giving 4-HO-DPT another try. Retrospectively 4-HO-DPT was much more of what i was looking for, in comparison with my last DPT experience, and i'm really thrilled how i'll think about it tomorrow ;)

With 4-HO-DPT i just felt nice while having zero bodyload but a wonderful time. DPT gave me some terrible nausea (not that bad as with 5-MeO-MIPT, which was intense) and a somewhat unbalanced experience.
 
Well well, yesterday i dived deep into the 4-HO-DPT Realm (luckily without tolerance issues), and it seems that i was right regarding it's lower affinity for working on the serotonin receptors - or at least that's how it felt like.

Just to clear things up, since I react a bit strange to mostly serotonergic compounds, i really don't like them that much because they're having their own, very indistinct character (like 6-APB or DPT for example) which unfortunately makes me feel much more stimulated and fierce than relaxed and euphoric. Perhaps, and that is what i realized in the last few months, this is because of a bad trip i had more than a decade ago, which was disastrous and still seems to linger within me.

With 4-HO-DPT, this feeling was almost non-existent compared to (for example) DPT. This doesn't mean it wasn't an euphoric experience, hell yes it was, but the joy didn't felt forced or generated, it felt totally natural. When I smiled, or laughed, it felt like it came deep from within my heart, it was, or felt like, true happiness, in fact.

What i really like about this substance, besides what i said above, is that it's really sedating in a very special way. It makes me feel totally comfortable and lazy (as with most psychedelics), while giving me almost zero bodyload. I'd say it's more of a mental sedation than a body sedation, like the one shrooms (or LSA) are giving you. What is really amazing is the clear-headed feeling it offers, no moments of uber-sobriety like that you can achieve with MXE, but even with sounds pitch-bending to a hilarious degree and my whole vision covered in tracers and sparkly waves of colors, i felt more or less in control of me and my thoughts - at least to some degree.

On the other Hand, and this is what I realized yesterday, this also means that there isn’t that much of an introspection compared to DPT/LSD/MXE/Shrooms etc., and it feels more like a recreational psychedelic with less depth…

BUT – and I don’t know if anyone has written it in here – THC added to 4-HO-DPT fits like the key to the lock and to me it’s just as matching as combining THC with MXE. 4-HO-DPT on it’s own is nice, but by adding THC it’s a whole other thing and by far one of the best substances i ever ingested. Here, it’s much easier to loose it - not as bad as with the more common stuff, but enough to probably scare the shit out of people who dose too reckless with this compound.

Conclusion: 4-HO-DPT is a very unique, worthwile substance and really entertaining, even though it lacks a bit of depth, especially in the head-department - but 4-HO-DPT + THC is just ridiculous - in a very positive way.
 
^ Irony?

Whatever, i'd like to add that the music appreciation with 4-HO-DPT is insane. On par, if not even better than with MXE. I found a new love :)

Btw, i realized there's an 4-HO-DPT-Thread while this is the one for 4-AcO-DPT... :p
 
^ Yeah, music becomes really sharply emotional on 4-HO/AcO-DPT for me. Really sensitizes you to the music.
 
"Sharply emotional" - that's exactly how it is! Couldn't have said it better. I highly recommend Sigur Rós and/or Helios while on 4-HO/AcO-DPT. It synergizes very well!
 
I've had some great trips on 4-ho-dpt. The most memorable trip I had on this substance was on 100mg insufflated. I had intended to play Xbox because I'd just bought skyrim, but ended up lying on the couch listening to my favorite bluegrass albums. 4-ho-dpt was definitely relaxing and music enhancing. It didn't really remind me of dpt, which even at normal doses I find extraordinarily powerful and deeply introspective.
 
Oh wow, i'm so in love with 4-HO-DPT... Yesterday i tried some small dose intranasally (25mgs) mixed with some DPT (7mgs) and it was SO SO nice, words cannot really describe the pleasure to be exact.

The funny thing about this combo is, that it felt like the DPT came on first, followed by it's 4-HO-Counterpart effects-wise, and they complemented very well with each other (surprise surprise). Got some DPT-tremors which subsided promptly, or to be precise, turned into EXTREME sexual stimulation far beyond anything i've ever experienced. I mean 4-HO-DiPT was erotic, but this was fuckin' porn! This lasted for the whole trip btw.

It's really hard to describe 4-HO-DPT and even with the addition of the DPT, it wasn't really deep mentally (compared to classic psychedelics) but moreso recreational. For me it seems like it's almost impossible to have a bad trip/a stressful time while on it. It's as if my brain is more or less deactivated, but this is just an illusion, in reality it's like all those complex thoughts are happening behind a curtain, not really within reach but obviously there. I had very complex and highly interesting thought processes going on, but they're so profound that it was almost impossible to really develop them further but just enjoy them while being totally immersed in happy bliss. And by bliss i'm not meaning like i'm feeling really euphoric but content and calm, truly happy and satisfied.

As said, it's hard to describe.

On another sidenote, if you think MXE goes well with music, you wouldn't believe what 4-HO-DPT does to it. Appreciation is an understatement, it's indescribable!

I heard GY!BE many many times on MXE, it was my music for MXE-trips, but on 4-HO-DPT it felt, heared and in the end, was like totally understanding it, it's message, it's emotions. I heard sounds as never heard before (and yes, they're there ;)) and i easily could separate it in all it's pieces, i.e. every single instrument that's being played!
 
Recklesslg said:
I've had some great trips on 4-ho-dpt. The most memorable trip I had on this substance was on 100mg insufflated. I had intended to play Xbox because I'd just bought skyrim, but ended up lying on the couch listening to my favorite bluegrass albums. 4-ho-dpt was definitely relaxing and music enhancing. It didn't really remind me of dpt, which even at normal doses I find extraordinarily powerful and deeply introspective.
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100 milligrams... wtf... I get near total ego dissolution on 26 mg of 4-AcO-DPT which is slightly less potent.
 
Although I'm quite sensitive to most psychedelics, 26 mg of 4-HO-DPT would not do much for me. I need at least 50 mg before anything interesting happens and even then it seems shallower than plain DPT.
 
Heard 4-AcO-DPT lasts a bit longer. Think i should try this one too :)

100mgs sounds like a heroic dose, yes, but i think it could be totally possible, but dunno really if that's making this HO/AcO-substitute better at all? It's nice as it is and i haven't found my 45mgs dose much "stronger" than the last one (26mgs+7mgs DPT). And the ego loss/dissolution-thing is reaaaally mad fun.

But i'm unsure which ROA is more effective. I plugged some and found it very gentle, last time i sniffed it and it hit me really hard... but it could've been the DPT!?
 
I'm really surprised to hear so many good reports about 4-Aco/ho-DPT, i tried 4-Aco-DPT 2 times snorting it, first at around 50mg and second time at 100mg and i only got a mild ++ trip with very mild changes in visual activity, just brighter colors.
I really don't know how can you guys tolerate so well the extremely bad taste you have in the throat when snorting it, it last hours on me.

Is 4-aco-DPT orally active at very high dosages?

I got bad results with DPT too, snorted 100mg and plugged 75mg, always mild ++ trip just like with 4-aco.
I'm going to try 500mg orally of DPT next time, i really can't tolerate that taste when snorted.

Do you know if at this dose is 4-Aco-DPT active orally?
 
You're right, the taste for both, 4-HO-DPT and DPT itself, is horrible! I'm not squeamish, but this is truly digusting stuff to snort.

As for the dose/ROA questions: afaik both of these substances should work orally, why not? But i don't think oral would hit you harder than plugging. I'm just not really sure if intranasally works better, like above said. Perhaps i'm trying orally too some day, who knows?

You should try some weed/hash with your 4-AcO/HO-DPT, it synergizes pretty well!
 
I tried 4-HO-DPT orally and it worked at (iirc) 75 mg. It wasn't super intense, but not bad either. Next time I'll probably go for 125 mg.
 
Well oral ROA isn't for sure the 'cheapest' one with these compounds because i'll need much and they are expensive but i don't see any other way to take them, intranasally it's just too disgusting for me, that bad taste will ruin also my trip.
Neither the plugging way was good, i had to go often to the toilet, unpleasant feeling down there with production of fluids and so on. :)
I don't even consider IV route, i never did and i never will.

I have read that Shulgin took 500mg of DPT orally and he achieved an intense, visual and long lasting trip that is what i'm searching for, i never liked the smoking route too because the rush it's often too intense and fast and the whole experience is too short, that is why i'm not a fan of Salvia or 5-Meo-DMT.

So i thought that also for 4-ho/aco-DPT around that oral dose should be an intense trip, but i would like to hear if someone already tried it at high dosages, i just want to be sure before trying it and wasting so much of it or getting an overwhelming experience if it's much more potent than DPT.

And btw i can't add weed to that because i just hate thc effects, it always gave me bad paranoia, i tried few times adding weed or hashish to my trips with mushrooms or other tryptamines and it always ruined them, it is true that it enhances the effects but not in the right way for me, again i become paranoid and i feel really stupid like on weed.
 
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