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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 4-HO-DPT Thread

That sounds about right; yet to push over 100 but it's just on the edge - any details on the 120mg trip Immad?

It was approx. two years ago, but I remember the patterning was reminiscent of DPT. It also had some body load, but I don't remember it being unpleasant. Regarding intensity I think I would equate it to roughly 15 mg of 4-AcO-DMT, which is a bit on the light side for me. My memory is vague, but I also seem to remember it lasting around 5 hours.

If you go over the 100 mg, happy trails and let us know! :)
 
Hello, I have written a report for this.... I should get around to uploading my bank of reports to the trip report section @~@

Age: 21Weight: 125 lbs
Dosage: 75 mg insufflated
Setting: My apartment


T0:00-Powder insufflated. This was one of the most unpleasant drug administration experiences I have ever had. The powder smells acrid, like something rotten. It is also incredibly fine and chalky. The act of insufflating it disturbed it enough to fluff it into big dust clouds in my throat and sinuses. The dust clouds bear that same acrid smell, and sting anywhere they touch. The main bit of powder has clumped up into an extremely unpleasant and decently painful mess. My throat is sore and the flavor and unrelenting presence of the clouds of powder trigger nausea instantly.


T0:06-Already feel the onset. Textures around me begin to wave and pulse, and physically I begin to feel very light. I begin to get some drip and it is incredibly nasty. The nausea doesn’t feel psychosomatic like with most psychedelics, just my body’s reaction to the gross powder.


T0:12-I am beginning to shake. I don’t necessarily feel stimulated and tweaky, I just feel like shaking my limbs. There is none of that uncomfortable restlessness, just a strange and very neutral sensation of wanting to be in motion. This powder though, it’s just sunken into my face, rotted into my face, it infects the air I breathe and makes everything foul. I cannot wait until it is absorbed into my body and I don’t need to feel or taste it anymore.


T0:15-The visuals which up to this point consisted of some colorful auras and drifting and warping textures begin to really truly take form. It is like some world is assembling itself before me, a mystical and esoteric world that has been hiding in the shadows until this very moment, that is now excited to finally reveal itself to me. The patterns that start to form are incredibly intricate, like a carefully organized tracery of vines, all of their thousands of minute leaves carefully interlocking and tangling in the most beautiful organized way. My entrance into this world feels like I am being met with open arms, it is welcoming and accommodating. The air is vibrating around me, and the walls are feeding on themselves and collapsing inwards. The fabric of reality has folded into a trillion folds, each fold its own unique species in this brand new ecosystem, the facets of existence interacting and feeding on one another in a beautiful trophic harmony. This is all fine and dandy, but physically I feel fucking awful. I am sick to my stomach, I am so nauseous and my stomach and abdomen are cramping with an incredibly uncomfortable pain. Not even intense pain, just an acute discomfort. I am shaking and achey, and that god awful taste/smell is still in my mouth and throat.


T0:30-This is so intense, there is just so much happening around me. Everything around me feels like creatures, not in the traditional sense of a living breathing being, but some odd autonomous sentience. It’s as if reality has synthetically formed itself into tiny subdivsions, each of which has become some odd being that seems to be imitating the human perception of a lifeform. The world is just a great big amalgam of these creatures. I still feel so very sick. I almost throw up, but not quite. I am clutching my trash can for dear life. This sucks but is so cool at the same time. In my notes I wrote “I feel like a palace trapped within itself”. I’m not sure entirely what the literal meaning of that was, or what stimulus triggered that response, but honestly I feel like it describes the state pretty well.


T0:45-The best descriptor I could give the visuals at this point is resplendent, like the most beautiful glistening feathers of the most beautiful bird, blowing in the wind, or perhaps interlocking and unfolding as this great phoenix unfurls its iridescent wings. It surrounds me, it encompasses me and parades as a cascade of feathers around me. The headspace has breached a wall and become strange and alien now. It is like all those odd autonomies entities around me have evolved into a grand sentience woven from the twisted fabric of reality, some sort of overmind or undermind hiding and playing in the shadows of our reality. It had used this trip as a chance to manifest in my reality, but it could not simply spontaneously manifest, it had to lay out the pieces and wait for them to evolve and grow into its final form. And at last the incredibly intricate lacework of its veins and nerves, each borne from their own autonomous beings, had formed into a collective being. That was about as far as it could go. Communication was nil. The best way I could describe the feeling was that something was trying to take me somewhere, but I was not entirely sure what, where, or why. It had put so much effort into forming itself into this world, only to fail at the threshold, finding me completely alien and incommunicable. I wonder if a higher dose would connect me to this underlying consciousness somehow? Also I still felt disgusting and terrible, cramps and aches all over my body and all up and down my stomach and abdomen. At least that awful taste was gone now.


T0:51-I am seeing faces in everything, it’s pareidolia that reminds me of my first few psychedelic experiences, where that was probably the most notable visual aspect. I’m not even entirely sure if I am literally seeing faces however. It’s just this feeling of being watched, or perhaps of my surroundings being represented as some expressive formation, a series of forms that portrays an emotion or action or thought based on sequential changes in their formation. Whatever it is, its surrounding me, staring at me blankly, not even staring at me but staring through me.


T1:00-Bodyload still raging. Bleh. I try drawing, but it looks just okay. Sometimes, with psychedelics, I have a really amplified sense of aesthetics, everything is instilled with a certain artistic harmony and an augmented sense of balance and composition. LSD does this a lot. No such luck with this compound however. The edge of its intensity has come off a little, although I am still tripping very hard and feeling some pretty rockin’ visuals.


T1:30-I would say I started coming down about here. And this is what I was seeking…. The headspace on the comedown is incredible, I feel an unquenchable thirst for knowledge and begin reading feverishly about tarantulas, wanting to learn everything I can about them, mostly to properly appreciate the new pet I acquired recently. My mind feels substantially more functional then normal, conversation flows extra smooth, this is one of my favorite part of psychedelics. The bodyload hasn’t entire subsided but is milder and more manageable now.


T5:00-Mostly back to baseline by now.


T7:00-Fall asleep easily.


Conclusion: 4-HO-DPT like its cousin DPT is an incredibly deep, strange, alien, and biomorphic psychedelic that seems like it has a lot to offer, high doses seem to show the potential for some really interesting entity contact, or perhaps this is best done through combining it with other substances. The major obstacle is the absolutely horrendous ROA and the crippling bodyload. The bodyload is substantially worse than DPT, with awful abdominal aches and cramps and nausea that lasts almost through the entire trip. When the pain finally subsided I felt like I had been dredged and left raw and bare in my pain. Administering it is another hellish ordeal. I have never taken a drug that was so unpleasant to administer. Maybe it’s just this batch but the powder smells and tastes awful, and its so floury that it gets everywhere, and stings whatever it touches. I couldn’t imagine trying to stuff 100 mg or more of this stuff into my face. I tried it orally at 125 mg and felt literally nothing, meaning that if I want to do anything fun with this I’m going to have to snort it. Easily one of the most unpleasant things I’ve snorted, just after MXP.

I had super high expectations for this drug, calling it my holy grail. Psychologically/sensorily it was a very rewarding and interesting experience, but it was hampered by the awful bodyload, which seems like it would also put a cap on further exploration, as it would only increase with dosage. This is a shame, I was really excited to explore this compound and this little taste of it has me even more interested, but I am very put off by the pain and discomfort it also induced.

NOTE:
Later tried 125 mg oral in gel cap. Had no effect.
 
Nervewing, thank you for an awesome report! I've enjoyed reading it! :D

The discomfort 4-HO-DPT gives me and the awful drip are the only things that stop me from exploring it deeply, I still haven't tried it with Harmaline - hoping that it would yield the intensity I want without making me sick.

Also strange that plugging it worked for some people as I was reading reports, but didnt for others...
 
Hello, I have written a report for this.... I should get around to uploading my bank of reports to the trip report section @~@

Age: 21Weight: 125 lbs
Dosage: 75 mg insufflated
Setting: My apartment


T0:00-Powder insufflated. This was one of the most unpleasant drug administration experiences I have ever had. The powder smells acrid, like something rotten. It is also incredibly fine and chalky. The act of insufflating it disturbed it enough to fluff it into big dust clouds in my throat and sinuses. The dust clouds bear that same acrid smell, and sting anywhere they touch. The main bit of powder has clumped up into an extremely unpleasant and decently painful mess. My throat is sore and the flavor and unrelenting presence of the clouds of powder trigger nausea instantly.


T0:06-Already feel the onset. Textures around me begin to wave and pulse, and physically I begin to feel very light. I begin to get some drip and it is incredibly nasty. The nausea doesn’t feel psychosomatic like with most psychedelics, just my body’s reaction to the gross powder.


T0:12-I am beginning to shake. I don’t necessarily feel stimulated and tweaky, I just feel like shaking my limbs. There is none of that uncomfortable restlessness, just a strange and very neutral sensation of wanting to be in motion. This powder though, it’s just sunken into my face, rotted into my face, it infects the air I breathe and makes everything foul. I cannot wait until it is absorbed into my body and I don’t need to feel or taste it anymore.


T0:15-The visuals which up to this point consisted of some colorful auras and drifting and warping textures begin to really truly take form. It is like some world is assembling itself before me, a mystical and esoteric world that has been hiding in the shadows until this very moment, that is now excited to finally reveal itself to me. The patterns that start to form are incredibly intricate, like a carefully organized tracery of vines, all of their thousands of minute leaves carefully interlocking and tangling in the most beautiful organized way. My entrance into this world feels like I am being met with open arms, it is welcoming and accommodating. The air is vibrating around me, and the walls are feeding on themselves and collapsing inwards. The fabric of reality has folded into a trillion folds, each fold its own unique species in this brand new ecosystem, the facets of existence interacting and feeding on one another in a beautiful trophic harmony. This is all fine and dandy, but physically I feel fucking awful. I am sick to my stomach, I am so nauseous and my stomach and abdomen are cramping with an incredibly uncomfortable pain. Not even intense pain, just an acute discomfort. I am shaking and achey, and that god awful taste/smell is still in my mouth and throat.


T0:30-This is so intense, there is just so much happening around me. Everything around me feels like creatures, not in the traditional sense of a living breathing being, but some odd autonomous sentience. It’s as if reality has synthetically formed itself into tiny subdivsions, each of which has become some odd being that seems to be imitating the human perception of a lifeform. The world is just a great big amalgam of these creatures. I still feel so very sick. I almost throw up, but not quite. I am clutching my trash can for dear life. This sucks but is so cool at the same time. In my notes I wrote “I feel like a palace trapped within itself”. I’m not sure entirely what the literal meaning of that was, or what stimulus triggered that response, but honestly I feel like it describes the state pretty well.


T0:45-The best descriptor I could give the visuals at this point is resplendent, like the most beautiful glistening feathers of the most beautiful bird, blowing in the wind, or perhaps interlocking and unfolding as this great phoenix unfurls its iridescent wings. It surrounds me, it encompasses me and parades as a cascade of feathers around me. The headspace has breached a wall and become strange and alien now. It is like all those odd autonomies entities around me have evolved into a grand sentience woven from the twisted fabric of reality, some sort of overmind or undermind hiding and playing in the shadows of our reality. It had used this trip as a chance to manifest in my reality, but it could not simply spontaneously manifest, it had to lay out the pieces and wait for them to evolve and grow into its final form. And at last the incredibly intricate lacework of its veins and nerves, each borne from their own autonomous beings, had formed into a collective being. That was about as far as it could go. Communication was nil. The best way I could describe the feeling was that something was trying to take me somewhere, but I was not entirely sure what, where, or why. It had put so much effort into forming itself into this world, only to fail at the threshold, finding me completely alien and incommunicable. I wonder if a higher dose would connect me to this underlying consciousness somehow? Also I still felt disgusting and terrible, cramps and aches all over my body and all up and down my stomach and abdomen. At least that awful taste was gone now.


T0:51-I am seeing faces in everything, it’s pareidolia that reminds me of my first few psychedelic experiences, where that was probably the most notable visual aspect. I’m not even entirely sure if I am literally seeing faces however. It’s just this feeling of being watched, or perhaps of my surroundings being represented as some expressive formation, a series of forms that portrays an emotion or action or thought based on sequential changes in their formation. Whatever it is, its surrounding me, staring at me blankly, not even staring at me but staring through me.


T1:00-Bodyload still raging. Bleh. I try drawing, but it looks just okay. Sometimes, with psychedelics, I have a really amplified sense of aesthetics, everything is instilled with a certain artistic harmony and an augmented sense of balance and composition. LSD does this a lot. No such luck with this compound however. The edge of its intensity has come off a little, although I am still tripping very hard and feeling some pretty rockin’ visuals.


T1:30-I would say I started coming down about here. And this is what I was seeking…. The headspace on the comedown is incredible, I feel an unquenchable thirst for knowledge and begin reading feverishly about tarantulas, wanting to learn everything I can about them, mostly to properly appreciate the new pet I acquired recently. My mind feels substantially more functional then normal, conversation flows extra smooth, this is one of my favorite part of psychedelics. The bodyload hasn’t entire subsided but is milder and more manageable now.


T5:00-Mostly back to baseline by now.


T7:00-Fall asleep easily.


Conclusion: 4-HO-DPT like its cousin DPT is an incredibly deep, strange, alien, and biomorphic psychedelic that seems like it has a lot to offer, high doses seem to show the potential for some really interesting entity contact, or perhaps this is best done through combining it with other substances. The major obstacle is the absolutely horrendous ROA and the crippling bodyload. The bodyload is substantially worse than DPT, with awful abdominal aches and cramps and nausea that lasts almost through the entire trip. When the pain finally subsided I felt like I had been dredged and left raw and bare in my pain. Administering it is another hellish ordeal. I have never taken a drug that was so unpleasant to administer. Maybe it’s just this batch but the powder smells and tastes awful, and its so floury that it gets everywhere, and stings whatever it touches. I couldn’t imagine trying to stuff 100 mg or more of this stuff into my face. I tried it orally at 125 mg and felt literally nothing, meaning that if I want to do anything fun with this I’m going to have to snort it. Easily one of the most unpleasant things I’ve snorted, just after MXP.

I had super high expectations for this drug, calling it my holy grail. Psychologically/sensorily it was a very rewarding and interesting experience, but it was hampered by the awful bodyload, which seems like it would also put a cap on further exploration, as it would only increase with dosage. This is a shame, I was really excited to explore this compound and this little taste of it has me even more interested, but I am very put off by the pain and discomfort it also induced.

NOTE:
Later tried 125 mg oral in gel cap. Had no effect.

Hey, welcome! I really like your reports on Erowid, you've been writing a ton. Glad you joined, you should stick around. :)
 
Thanks for the report Nervewing, very descriptive and thorough. :) You've made me even more interested in this chemical, though at the same time also more apprehensive for the same reasons I hadn't snorted it yet to begin with... the thought that the actual administration would suck, and the fear that a higher dose would cause a significant body load. I personally have taken 100 mg orally and I did get a psychedelic effect out of it, though nothing to the level you describe, but even then I did have a heavy and not entirely pleasant body feeling. Still, I think I may give insufflation a try soon now.... My plan is to start with 25 mg and work up, so maybe I can avoid too much discomfort.

If the rest of your reports are that in-depth then yes you should upload them, we'd be happy for the information and entertainment. ;)
 
Honestly I found snorting it to be quite easy compared to many substances. It is quite chalky and slow to absorb, kinda coats the nasal passages which is unpleasant but for me there was no burn at all, and the taste wasn't horrible. Then again I have a high tolerance for bad tastes in drugs, I generally just put powders in my mouth and swallow them in water.
 
That's good to hear, hopefully it won't be too bad for me then. I actually recently have stopped reacting so much to the taste of these chemicals taken orally too, so maybe I'm building up that tolerance as well.... Hopefully anyway, as I've definitely had enough nasty chemical experiences to last a lifetime!
 
I took 85mg of 4-HO-DPT intranasally shortly following an equal amount of intranasal ketamine last night.

Subjectively it was an utterly amazing out-of-body peak experience. I wish I could recall all of the things I appeared to witness properly, but one that stuck with me was interpreted (as best as I can describe it) as being swept up in a stream of extra-dimensional properties that fed into one another, accelerating and accelerating until they collectively formed a singularity that gave birth to the universe and all of the physical laws that define it. I realize that attempting to put it into words like that doesn't really make all that much sense, but it was incredibly vivid and breathtakingly beautiful.

I'm not certain why this particular experience caused me to become so far departed from reality. I have been occasionally adding intranasal 4-HO-DPT dosages ranging from 30mg to 90mg on top of LSD and a variety of arylcyclohexylamines since I first bought a gram of it last summer with fairly consistent and predictable +++ results. Always enjoyable and definitely preferable to DPT in my opinion.

Last night was one of only three trips I have had on any drug or drug combination that has led to a ++++ experience. If I had the words to describe it, I would write a proper trip report, but it something that simply defies description beyond what I was able to say here.
 
Would 75mg orally be too little for this substance? Not too keen on sniffing psychedelics, especially ones that have propyls as they make me vomit like crazy. I have 150mgs and want to trip with my lover on this on the equinox, but worried that I don't have enough.
 
If one of you is sensitive it might be enough but mostly I'd say it's too little - I got something of 25 and more off 75 but most think it's full effects at 100 or so
 
Hey all, I have been trying to find reagent test results for this one. Apologies if I have missed a link somewhere.
 
I got mine today. It is a brown/grey colour does this sound right, I am currently looking for an image of a reagent test so I can test it.
 
What reagent test were you using, DMTShroom1986?

Hi there, I have Ehrlich (2 mL), Froehde (2 mL), Marquis (2 mL), Mecke (2 mL) in the post as I want to check my recently acquired 6-apb, 6-apbd and 2c-c aswell. It all came from a supplier that is new to me. All looks good but I want to check before allergy tests. I have found the reagent thread helpful for all of the other it is just the 4-ho-dpt I am struggling with find an image of tests.

thanks for your response,
 
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DMTShroom1986, please post your 4-HO-DPT reagent results with pics and descriptions if you get them!

--on the off topic, how did your 6-APDB reagent results come out?..--
 
Hi,

my reagent kit arrived today with all the above reagents. Ill perform the tests at the weekend and post the pics in each of the correct threads.
 
I have performed a Marquis reagent today, here is the image. Seems to Match DPT & 4-ACO-DIPT reaction descriptions. Be great to get some input on this:

NRVZvy.jpg
 
DMTShroom1986, please post your 4-HO-DPT reagent results with pics and descriptions if you get them!

--on the off topic, how did your 6-APDB reagent results come out?..--

I will test the 6-APDB tomorrow, did you want to see multiple tests?
 
I have performed a Marquis reagent today, here is the image. Seems to Match DPT & 4-ACO-DIPT reaction descriptions. Be great to get some input on this:

NRVZvy.jpg

Awesome! Thank you for the contribution! I suppose it was the end result?.. What was the color at the very beginning of the test?
 
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