It has been a while since I have had 4-ho-met (I once went through over a gram of it by myself when it was all I could get), but I have recently had a number of experiences with this compound 4-aco-met. 4-aco-met I personally find somewhat inferior to the 4-ho counterpart. It is still a great chemical and pretty useful in situations such as concerts where an extremely clear mindset is desirable. In terms of the PURE 4-sub tryptamines I have experienced (not counting mushrooms), the mindfuck level goes from most to least:4-ho-dmt>4-aco-dmt>4-ho-mipt(though it can be VERY intense)>>>4-aco-met>4-ho-met. The first two are difficult to place, I have had much more experience with 4-aco-dmt than 4-ho-dmt and I think 4-ho-dmt might edge it out just a bit.
I find the euphoria from 4-aco-met to be somewhat less than the 4-ho. 4-aco-met is also significantly less stimulating than 4-ho-met, however both are stimulating in comparison to 4-aco-dmt. Both are extremely light and easy (least mindfuck of any psychedelic I have had, other than 5-meo-dalt, which was a waste of time). I don't consider either one to be ideal for a deep trip, and honestly find both somewhat boring. However, my ideal dose of 4-ho-met was quite high, as in 40mg or more, and at that point, the euphoria and feelings of love were sometimes absolutely overwhelming and life-affirming (my mind remained CRYSTAL clear). Visuals are also less present with 4-aco-met, though they can be impressive at higher doses. The 4-aco counterpart also has great clarity, though somewhat less so.
MXE goes great with either one, though if the MXE dose is above 60mg, it really takes over. A hole dose of MXE (120mg) with 50mg of 4-ho-met (with cannabis) was absolutely incredible and incapacitating, several hours of OBE and trance states. Overwhelming euphoria, nothing else I have ever experienced has come close. Not even nitrous, DMT and MXE together matched that. My brain felt like it was going to explode
. For clarification, I would never take such high doses of 4-ho-dmt/4-aco-dmt (max dose 45mg [and that is MASSIVE]) or 4-ho-mipt (MAX 35mg, maybe 40). Its not that I think metocin and metacetin are not potent, but that they don't really get interesting until the higher doses. Indeed I think 40-50+ (up to maybe 60) is pretty necessary for a full experience.
I assume something similar with 4-aco-met would produce similar results, but again, the euphoria with this compound is not quite as pronounced for me. Perhaps at a very high dose 40-60mg I could recapture that states I have experienced with 4-ho-met. Without much (less than 15mg) MXE the feelings of love seem to be even more powerful.
I have never experienced nausea with either compound. There is almost no body load, indeed the body feeling is great (as with all 4-subs above, excepting perhaps 4-ho-mipt, which has some chest pressure and occasionally weird stomach stuff at higher doses [but not uncomfortable and still MILES better than any 2c-x or even the 25-x IME]).
Overall I find these compounds most useful for euphoria, clarity, and visuals, but they almost don't feel like "trips" (not very "psychedelic" as I understand that term) on their own. Combined with a 4-sub that has greater "mindfuck" such as 4-aco-dmt or even 4-ho-mipt produces a nice middle ground that is more rewarding. MXE creates a different experience, that is more "stable".
I think either metocin or metacetin would be the IDEAL first psychedelic experience for someone who does not want to jump right into the deep end. Even people who think they can not handle psychedelics could probably try 30mg+ and have a great time, IME.
