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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Three

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I believe personally it has to do with the individual metabolism of certain individuals. 20mg had a similar effect on me myself. N-DMT is amazing. Same with 5-MeO-DMT. Psilacetin is an amazing compound. If it has such a profound effect on you I'd try smoking Salvia on it if I were you, just to see where it'll take you. When I smoked Sally-D on 5-MeO-DiPT it looked like I was in a world of transformers almost.. only very basic cube structures were seen. Like robots made of colored building blocks. Lots of perspective changes with the scenery as well.
 
Never tried salvia before, so I think I'd have to try it from baseline before doing that. I'm not going to lie that the break through experience was frightening, and I have only done it twice so far. I felt good afterward and on the comedown, but it was very unexpected both times and thus frightening during it even though it was amazing. I feel good about knowing how to approach it now however, and I plan on trying again in a few weeks.
 
This is interesting. I still haven't fully explored 4-aco-dmt, but I do always find that when I close my eyes I can get into a DMT-like space. I've always felt like I could just zone out and it feels like I'm touching the edge of ego-loss (even at low doses). Can't wait to try this at a higher dose.

PS: I did 15mg of 4-aco-dmt combined with 25mg of MXE yesterday. Heavenly, though next time I'd dose both of these higher.
 
Is 4-Aco-DMT water soluble? I currently have 100mg in my possession and I was thinking of dissolving it in 400ml of water and then to split that between four people. Would this work?

25 mg each should be a pretty strong trip, right?
 
It dissolves readily in water. 25mg might not be a strong trip for everyone. For me 25mg would barely be threshold.
 
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I've heard that while it is soluble in H2O it isn't all that stable in it.

25 mg would be a decently strong trip.
 
I dissolved 175mg of 4-AcO-DMT Fumerate into 175ml of room-temperature, filtered water. Didn't dissolve instantly but after about 15 seconds of vigorous stirring it easily went into solution.

I then stored the fluid in the fridge (in the door) for 1.5 months. By the end of the batch (last 4 doses) the material was just as potent however slight to moderate nausea (which was completely absent from the prior doses) was present for myself and the two other people who partook. May have been degradation. May have just been setting.



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Yeah it'll dissolve in water easily (fumerate, anyway). Stays potent in water for a decent amount of time. Use distilled water if you can. I only had a brita filter available so that's what I used to filter my water.
 
We are most probably going to ingest the water right after dissolving the 4-Aco-DMT.

Shit I was hoping 25mg would be a decent dose. I should have ordered more. :! I haven't tripped in almost a year and I am really looking forward to trying 4-Aco-DMT.
 
25mg is definitely a decent dose. For most people that is a very solid +++ I imagine if you haven't tripped in a while you'll be more than happy with that dose.

Some people are a bit more sensitive, but i know of a number of people who get to +++ pretty reliably with <20mg
 
Yeah, personally, 25mg would be a super-dose. I'm much more comfortable in the 15-20mg range. Just remember that, like amd above me said, the dosages vary quite a bit person-to-person.
 
Recently acquired a few hundred mg of 4-aco-dmt (fumerate).. haven't tried the substance other than a miniscule amount last night to see if I had any allergic reactions; I didn't.

My best friend and I are planning on going out to the lake this Saturday and tripping.. we both want to have a legitimiate thought-provoking and visually intense trip, though neither of us have experienced this drug at all yet. We're both experienced with other psychs though.

He's about 195lb, I'm about 185.. from what I've gathered in this thread, 20-30mg is usually the sweet spot for most people, but others have taken up to 50mg and not felt much. I don't want to take 'not enough' and be underwhelmed during the duration of my trip. I plan on weighing out about 70mg, splitting the doses (so 35mg each), dissolve the doses in their own glass of water and drinking them on an empty stomach while still at my house, and then we plan on driving straight to the lake directly after we dose.

I'd like experienced users' opinion on this..

Too much?
How long should I expect it to take to kick in on an empty stomach + liquid dosing? It'd take about 20 minutes to get to the lake.
Would getting in the water be a bad idea as long as we don't go too deep, say no deeper than waist deep?
How epic is the sunset gonna be? :P



also, we have wippets and weed on deck
 
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Oh, I wouldn't risk driving after dosing. You could be getting effects in 10 minutes or so with that sort of dose on an empty stomach, I'd say. Personally, I'd take 20 mg after arriving at the lake, then after an hour take some more if required.
 
Few questions: did you try other 4-substituted tryptamines? Did you try other tryptamines? And how much experience with psychedelics do you have? And how much experience has your friend?

Look at the doses suggested by erowid. I see no reason for going higher than 20-25 mg for the first time unless you have natural high-tolerance to this(or similar) substance. It is unknown substance for you, and doing too much at your first time is asking for trouble.

EDIT: and god, please don't drive on any dose of any psychedelic.
 
I recently acquired a small amount of this chemical. I was given it because people were "having bad trips on this shit" my buddy gave it to me cause he knows I'm educated about this kind of thing. Weighed it out. Bout 22mg. Alexander Shulgin seems to have a glowing experience at 10mg. Do you think me and my girlfriend would have fun splitting the cap?
 
Low-dose trips can be fun, especially if you like it. But if not, I would advise plugging.:)
 
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Low-dose trips can be fun, especially if you like it. But if not, I would advise plugging.:)
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We won't feel sedated to the point where we won't wanna do anything right? We'll probably smoke some bud and go for a nature walk or something like that.
 
We'll dose once we're at location then if it's gonna kick in that fast. We were hoping to get there before the dose kicked in. Not a big deal though.
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Few questions: did you try other 4-substituted tryptamines? Did you try other tryptamines? And how much experience with psychedelics do you have? And how much experience has your friend?

Look at the doses suggested by erowid. I see no reason for going higher than 20-25 mg for the first time unless you have natural high-tolerance to this(or similar) substance. It is unknown substance for you, and doing too much at your first time is asking for trouble.

EDIT: and god, please don't drive on any dose of any psychedelic.
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Never tried any of the 4-sub tryptamines. This will be the first. I have experience with easy to acquire psychs such as shrooms and a little bit of LSD, salvia, 2c-i. My friend has more experience than I do but with the same chemicals.

What would you expect to happen as such a high dose? I suppose we should lower the dose to 20-25mg and bring a booster just in case?
 
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