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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Four

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Redbong said:
For harm reduction's sake, don't try it until you've worked your way up slowly. 30mg furmate gets me thinking, "oh crap! I've really done it this time!" Kinda like your first ever hit of DMT. I get effects like you describe with 1/4 the dose. Maybe I'm sensitive, more likely, you're a hard head. I wouldn't advise anybody take that much 4-aco-dmt.
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Sorry I guess it was a pretty irresponsible post in terms for harm reduction and should have elaborated and didn't actually mean go and try the same dose as me.... It seems to me as I'm only hard headed with tryptamines because with experience with psychadelic PEA's my doses were normally consistant with others reported dosages having studied a lot on here and erowid before ever taking substances.

I realize evrybodys genetic makeup is different but could anyone explain why I seem to need much higher doses of the tryptamines I've tried compared to PEa's where my doses and experiences were pretty consistant with other's.?
 
Azron said:
I realize evrybodys genetic makeup is different but could anyone explain why I seem to need much higher doses of the tryptamines I've tried compared to PEa's where my doses and experiences were pretty consistant with other's.?
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You've answered yourself. Different physiology. Different enzyme levels/variants.

I started at 10 mg fumarate salt, and have gone up to 26.6 mg. I'm pretty sure i could do more, but I'm happy where I'm at (currently 24 +/- 2 mg per dose).

Tom
 
Redbong said:
For harm reduction's sake, don't try it until you've worked your way up slowly. 30mg furmate gets me thinking, "oh crap! I've really done it this time!" Kinda like your first ever hit of DMT. I get effects like you describe with 1/4 the dose. Maybe I'm sensitive, more likely, you're a hard head. I wouldn't advise anybody take that much 4-aco-dmt.
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Does harm reduction apply to something that won't be harmful? I guess harmful on the mind is one way to look at it, though. If you know what you're doing is too much then you probably don't care about harm to the mind.
 
bloodshed344 said:
Does harm reduction apply to something that won't be harmful? I guess harmful on the mind is one way to look at it, though.
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...You GUESS?? I'd much rather experience painful vasodilation than have a mentally traumatic experience, but that's just me.
 
Anyone ever vaped this (or other tryptamines)? I'm busy thinking about experiments with various RCs and a PG solution for my E-hookah..

I wanna buy a batch of this here pretty soon, but I also have a few other compounds in sight, and I'm debating.
 
^It has been done, but results seem unreliable. 4-sub-tryptamines aren't as heat resistant as the 2C-x, so you'd have to be careful, probably not as inherently interesting as the shorter lived ROAs are with unsubstituted tryptamines to boot. Check out this thread, you might be able to find some TRs or info specific to this chemical if you do some digging in the search engine.
 
Gracias. I'll have to find some info on the melting point in farenheit, I can control my vape's temperature lol.
 
!!4iV4HF9R34g said:
Gracias. I'll have to find some info on the melting point in farenheit, I can control my vape's temperature lol.
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What kind of vape do you have?

Reason I ask is I've got (Iolite, Extreme, MFLB, SSV, Solo, DaVinci), and only the DaVinci has separate 'concentrate' containers. The others couldn't keep melted compound from the heating core and might get damaged.

But heck, if it works, let me know what temperature you dialed in to.

Eh, and I don't suppose you would try water filtering hits if it worked?

Tom
 
RhythmSpring said:
...You GUESS?? I'd much rather experience painful vasodilation than have a mentally traumatic experience, but that's just me.
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Well, it relates to personal experience. I've never had a traumatic experience, but I've experienced a bad body load over a hundred times. Well, my one traumatic experience was when I started overheating for a bit because of bad body load.

So yeah, the idea of 4-AcO-DMT overdose sounds a lot more fun to me than some of the body loads I've had from phenethylamines.
 
bloodshed344 said:
Does harm reduction apply to something that won't be harmful? I guess harmful on the mind is one way to look at it, though.
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Count yourself lucky you dunno what harmful on the mind means then, frankly...

I'm planning on trying 4-aco-DMT tonight, I've never had it before and was wondering what a good starter dose might be to get a real idea of what the drug is like while keeping it easily manageable? :)
 
Pagey said:
I'm planning on trying 4-aco-DMT tonight, I've never had it before and was wondering what a good starter dose might be to get a real idea of what the drug is like while keeping it easily manageable? :)
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I would say 16mg-20mgs. 18mgs gave me a nice light trip with light visuals, I could easily control the trip by just getting up and walking about or taking a deep breath.
 
Thomas Davie, I just have an off-brand model from the local headshop. Ran me about $50. I'm gonna look into that DaVinci model though, because I kinda accidentally snapped mine while I was longboarding. Do you know where to get it cheap?
 
!!4iV4HF9R34g said:
Thomas Davie, I just have an off-brand model from the local headshop. Ran me about $50. I'm gonna look into that DaVinci model though, because I kinda accidentally snapped mine while I was longboarding. Do you know where to get it cheap?
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Sadly no. It cost ~$250, and they're currently in the finishing stages of releasing the Davinci Ascent (specifically made for oil). It might drop in price alittle bit, but I don't see it going below $200. The cheapest vape I have is the Magic Flight Launch Box (probably about $100).

Tom
 
Hey I really need some help on this one. Really considering taking 60 mg. please I need a response haha
 
I don't understand this chemical. 60 mg produced less of an effect than 35 mg did. So, I can't recommend you take 60 mg even though it did little for me. This one can be traumatizing for lots of people at doses above 15 mg.
 
Batches vary in quality by scale of about ~5mg for this with me I've noticed too. Lovely stuff, for most 25mg insufflated is were you want for nothing too extreme, the comeup is the most intense I find with senses blending, feeling of entities, etc beautiful CEVs. Any higher and I find ego begins to show and you may find the trip less recreational.
 
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