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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Four

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porkstock said:
sounds like you didn't do enough research before ingesting a new chemical.

what do you think would have happened if you ate 7 or 9 grams of mushrooms for YOUR FIRST TRIP on mushrooms?
maybe you did and handled it fine, or maybe you would have had too intense of an experience...

that's what is likely to happen when ingesting 65 mg of 4-aco-dmt - especially for your first time with it.


i have gotten mucus and tear production on higher doses as well. "only" went as high as 45 mg though, and i doubt i'll ever take that much again. 35-40 is plentIy high enough for me.
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I did plenty of research, I read every TR on Erowid & many other articles on the chemical thanks.

On everything I do I go in like that, maybe not everybody's choice but that's just me.

I'm not moaning as I wanted a good trip & a good trip was what I got.
 
So the only 4-substituted tryptamines I've tried are 4-ho met and 4-aco dmt. They're both very similar yet quite different in subtle ways but there is one striking difference that I suspect is due to the acetoxy substitution instead of the hydroxy:
When dosed orally they have quite a similar duration and timeframe. Around an hour to come on, an hour or two plateau and drop off some time after that - 4-ho met is a little more breif.
However, when plugged or insufflated 4-ho met comes on almost immediately. Full effects within 15 minutes and the dose required is much lower - like a bloody rocket.
4-aco dmt doesn't exhibit this at all. Insufflation or plugging yields a slightly quicker come up but it still takes at least an hour to come up proper.
 
Does dissolving it in water make any difference in any way to how it
gets into your system as I feel it within 10 mins max & am fully rolling hard by the 40 min point.
 
I've found 4-aco to be fairly quick acting and rather short lived.

Ah what a great drug. Wonderful euphoria present already at low doses (7-10mg), almost MDMA like and at higher doses (20-30mg) a spiritual experience.
 
caravela said:
Is it white or brown?
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I've got the fumarate salt. Pure white, and since receipt it has been stored in a ziploc bag inside of a ziploc bag at 4C. No dessicant, but opened in a fairly arid environment, and only after it has equilibrated toroom temperature.

Tom

(it's only been opened once, and that was to measure out 8 doses)
 
Synaesthesia242 said:
I've found 4-aco to be fairly quick acting and rather short lived.

Ah what a great drug. Wonderful euphoria present already at low doses (7-10mg), almost MDMA like and at higher doses (20-30mg) a spiritual experience.
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Yes, I really do agree with your assessment of the euphoric properties of 4-AcO-DMT. Mind you, since it is a psychedelic, its effects still depend on set and setting more than an empathogen such as MDMA. Not all of my 4-AcO-DMT have been euphoric, but a majority of them have had a high level of mental euphoria and a great deal or energy, and even "magic". I've had trips on 4-AcO-DMT where I thought "damn, this feels as good as molly."

The only thing it is lacking is the orgasmic body high that MDMA can produce. I am very excited to soon try a tryptamine combo that I hope will really add to and compliment the effects of 4-AcO-DMT, in terms of getting that euphoria. Most psychedelics tend to make me a bit paranoid, which I really don't enjoy. This is why my favorite psychedelics are the clear-headed, happy, euphoric compounds like 4-AcO-DMT and 25i-Nbome for example. However, 4-AcO-DMT still produced a bit of paranoia for me, despite its euphoria.

I've been long searching for a "tryptamine roll" that would serve as a good MDMA substitute (legal and cheaper too). 5-Meo-Mipt has been hyped as a "tryptamine roll" by some. However, I did not enjoy its effects at all and found it rather dull and uninteresting. I got no euphoria or enjoyable body high at all.

The combination I am going to try soon is 4-AcO-DMT mixed with 4-Aco-Dipt. 4-Aco-Dipt is one of the few psychedelics that produced practically no feelings of paranoia or anxiety for me whatsoever. I have only done 100 mg of this compound in my life, but my first dose at about 20-25 mg produced a pleasant stoned-state with great body sensations. Touching things felt extremely good. Like MDMA but different. The only problem was that it also kind of had a body-load which made me feel restless. So while the body high was very tactile and pleasurable, it was a bit uncomfortable. It was extremely mentally relaxing though. My hope is that the pleasant stoned state, relaxation, and tactile body high of 4-AcO-Dipt will synergize well with the mental euphoria and energy of 4-AcO-DMT.

Hopefully this will produce a really amazing high overall. I'm hoping that the negatives of each compound will be off-set by each-other and that the good effects from each will synergize well. Since I will be dealing will 4-AcO-DMT Fumarate and 4-AcO-Dipt HCL the dosage will be about the same for each compound. For my first experiment I will try an oral dose of around 15-20 mg of each substance for what should be a fairly strong strip. If it does what I hope, it will rival MDMA, but maybe without as much empathy, but it would have the tryptamine beauty and visuals instead. The feeling of euphoria from good MDMA where you feel both amped up and relaxed at the same time is really what I'm hoping for from this combo.

If anyone else has had experiences with this combination please let me know. I will post a report within a week or so once I get to test this out myself.
 
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Snappleapple: I don't think you will get a more MDMA like experience from combinining two tryptamines. Granted I have not tried 4-aco-dipt. But my logic would say that you would probably just trip out from the dose and combo you were describing. Whenever I've combined two tryptamines ex: LSD and mushrooms it has only made me trip hard. If you wanna do the combo and get an MDMA type vibe, thats fine, but I would suggest you try a lower dose. I hear what you're saying about getting an empathic feeling with some trippiness also, but I think with the combo you may trip harder than you think, so if I was you I would start the dose off low, maybe add more later if you're enjoying the high.
 
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Thanks for the advice. I will start at a low dosage then and work my way up. I've never combined psychedelics before.

I mean I know what you are saying, since these tryptamines are really trippy, not empathogens. I'm looking for that MDMA vibe like you said. Like something that is just as good, yet very different. It's the euphoria that I'm after, and I mention MDMA because it is the best substance at producing euphoria.

4-AcO-Dipt is really good stuff. It's very visual and really chill and mellow too. It's not very euphoric, but it really is fantastic. I'm getting some good rolls too probably sooner than these compounds so I'll able to see if it is an enjoyable as a good roll. I might even combine them all lol.
 
uhhhh no. (the idea that combining two psilocin analogues = more MDMA-like). Iprocin and to a lesser extent 4-AcO-DiPT can have moments of 'oneness' combined with a vibration that I could see some saying is 'MDMA-like' but that is a stretch. None of the psilocin analogues are MDMA-like at all. Nor is 5-MeO-DIPT MDMA-like, but I'll accept that some disagree there.
 
you don't know until you try. That MDMA-like effect is what I'm hoping for. I don't know if it will get there, but I'm hoping that the effects from each will synergize in a way that will produce quite a remarkable high. So I'll see soon enough. If it's not MDMA-like then I'll pop a roll with it too. That should be wild.
4-AcO-Dipt and 4-AcO-DMT are definitely my two favorite tryptamines by a long shot, except for shrooms, a close third.
 
The thing is the pharmacology of MDMA is well known, it's one of the most studied drugs on earth. The pharmacology of 4-substituted tryptamines (aka psilocin analogues) like the two you mention are also well known. And 4-ho-tryptamine + 4-ho-tryptamine = more 4-ho-tryptamine. Not MDMA.
 
The effects of MDMA and 4-substituted tryptamines are very different since one is a psychedelic that generally provokes an inward-focussed experience, while the other is an empathogen that offers a more outward-focused trip. The only similarity I can draw between the two are that they are both entheogens which are capable of offering a user a state of ecstasy in the form of euphoria. Other than the euphoria, they each provide entirely different experiences. Also, the similarities in euphoria may be the result of subconscious association drawn between the two, or tied to the term 'ecstasy'.
 
yes, but AMT is also a tryptamine. However, it is often considered to have MDMA-like effects. It is classified as a stimulant, psychedelic, and an entactogen. So while I'm not saying that it is like MDMA, it has effects that resemble some of the effects that MDMA has. I've never had a chance to experiment with AMT though so I cannot say from experience. That's just what I've read about it.
So I'm just hoping to get some effects from these tryptamines that resemble some MDMA effects. 4-AcO-DMT and 4-AcO-Dipt are really unique compounds. Mephedrone is a substituted-cathinone but it is a lot like MDMA as well.
 
I only didn't mention a-MT because I've not yet taken it...but certainly a-MT is said to have MDMA-like effects. It also is a different kind of tryptamine, being an alpha-alkyl tryptamine instead an N-alkyl (like the psilocin analogues). I'll let the pharmacologists here explain further but the two types of tryptamines have different types of effects.
 
AMT is also a monoamine releaser, in addition to being a 5HT-agonist. MDMA and related drugs are monoamine releasers. so in terms of how they work inside the brain, AMT is similar to MDMA.
The Psilocin analogs on the other hand have nothing in common with MDMA, because they are not monoamine releasers.
 
Does anyone know what people mean when they say 4-AcO_DMT is DMT like? I've never tried DMT and don't currently have the intention of doing so. I've heard out of body experiences (sometimes things of beauty and sometimes absolute hell). I've had ego loss/destruction (always interesting, sometimes mildly difficult).

The only basis of comparison I've got is ~100 mushrooms trips and 3-HO-DiPT experiences.

My 4-AcO-DMT.fumarate (10, 18.2 and 15 mg) use has so far not resulted in out of body or ego loss. I would get effects those on 7g mushrooms (no I am not asking for suggested doses of 4-AcO-DMT).

thanks for any comparisons.

Tom
 
It gets a lot further out there once you hit higher doses (generally speaking, >30mg), though I think people mean that qualitatively it's closer to DMT rather than being shot in to hyperspace communicating with entities. Moclobemide w/ oral DMT can't be too different from this surely? Harmalas are psychoactive on their own, so that comparison doesn't seem to hold up
 
Ok so here is what I've personally discovered about oral 4-aco-dmt fumerate. All doses between 13mg and 30mg are incredible with 0 body load and no increase in heart rate what so ever, but the most incredible effect is how Linear the trip is. No ups and downs at all.

SO...I decided to try something that I have been saving for over 3 years, some Capa-Copy which is pure harmala alkaloids(MAOI).

200mg of harmala alkaloids 30 minutes before 30mg 4-aco-DMT did result in a more intense experience(obviously), but the trip was clearly less Linear and actually quite uncomfortable at times. This test felt exactly like mushrooms to say the least and the trip lasted for like 12 hours no joke. Lots of ups and downs, something that I've only experienced from mushrooms.

My question is why? Why was this trip now non-linear with an MAOI?

Does it have anything to do with more of the 4-aco-dmt converting into psilocin? I will definitely be doing this again, just not in a public place where I feel completely comfortable taking just 4-aco-dmt.

Oh and this was my first time ever consuming any form of MAOI's. I'm just curious to why this combo was straight mushroom-like while 4-aco-dmt is clearly different.
 
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