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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Four

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If you've seen no change in texture and color, then it's almost certainly still fine. Just put that jar in a cold place and it should last you *at least* a few more months. While your storing method is not ideal for tryptamines, it's adequate enough for mid-term purposes.
 
Sorry, I thought I had mentioned, but I did not, that the jar was in the freezer the entire time.

Thus far it appears there has been no change in texture (though I can not be sure as I have not opened the epindorph to inspect it and there is no noticable change in colour, its still slightly off white).

Glad to hear it is "almost certainly still fine".

Thanks for your response.
 
You're welcome, Tired. Make sure that when you take out the jar you open it a bit and let the condensation inside and outside dry fully before doing anything else.
 
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Just wondering if I should be worried about degradation under said conditions and if this degradation will show up as a colour change? (ie if there is no colour change does that mean there is no degradation)?
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You can't be sure that there's been no degradation but yes anecdotally it will darken in colour and eventually become a black goo when stored in less than ideal conditions.
 
Well I just measured the freezer and its at -15C ... Unfortunately the tubes arent air tight (or im assuming they arent anyways, they are just plastic and the lid simply snaps closed) and the atmosphere is not inert. But we make due with what we have. :)

Unfortunately I was incorrect when I said there has been "no" colour change. I just took it out to scale some out and it appears to have gone from off white to ever so slightly tan (this change was not noticeable when it was packed in the tube). IIRC though (from my reading) a slight colour change isnt much of a concern, correct?

Also, would it be worth my time to convert the rest of my FB to fumurate?

I would like it to last at least another year and Im assuming the FB wont last that long, correct?


Thanks again.
 
I've had freebase psilocin (less stable) in the freezer for a year with no loss of potency. There has been a noticeable colour change. If your sample is dry I'd just leave it in there with the lid on. It only takes a tiny amount of an impurity to totally change the colour of a sample.
 
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I would like to quickly share my experience with this compound yesterday:
Four milligrams of 4-AcO-DMT freebase were smoked in a bowl with herbs. I have much experience with tryptamine and phenethylamine psychedelics, however I usually consume them orally, and this will be my first experience smoking a tryptamine.

Set: Positive mind space, enjoying my brief break between the winter and spring semesters.
Setting: At home alone. The weather outside is beautiful and extremely comfortable.
Onset: 5 minutes
Come up: 5 minutes
Plateau: ~45 minutes
Come down: ~45 minutes

T- 0:05 - I prepared the bowl for smoking, with the oily compound smeared to a small piece of rizzla placed at the bottom with some tobacco and cannabis placed on top. I take my water pipe to the basement and step out the back door into my backyard to enjoy the brilliance and warmth of the sun, the chirps of the birds and the state of my garden. As I stepped outside, instead of birds I heard a pump being ran on the other side of the ravine; some one preparing their pool for summer.

T+ 0:00 - I take a moment to embrace how pleasant the day is, exhale fully, and begin to take my toke not really anticipating much. The bowl is exhaled, and no unpleasant taste is noted (though the cannabis may have been sufficiently masking any taste) nor any immediate effects. I take another moment to glance around the backyard and then head back inside.

T+ 0:05 - I get to the main floor of my house and notice a slight sensation building in my legs and lower back. This energy continued to build until I could definitely identify its nature; it was the euphoria common to mushrooms. I sit down for a moment and try to collect myself, attempting to decide what I should do (debating watching a movie or listening to music). I quickly realize as the sensation builds that there is nothing to do but enjoy the experience undiluted. As the euphoria becomes more defined, I head to the bathroom quickly to check if my pupils are at all dilated.

T+ 0:10 - I am still in the bathroom, analyzing the physical effects being experienced, as well as examining myself in the mirror, and noting the visually I appear different. There are no visuals of things melting or anything of that sort, but a definitely change in perception is present. It feels very much like looking at myself in the mirror just coming off of a mushroom trip. I attempt to sooth the building energy in my limbs by moving my body in flowing motions as has worked before, but could not maintain.

T+ 0:15 - 2:00 - I return to my bedroom and lay down with the lights on but all sounds off. I am most definitely fully experiencing a mushroom trip. I look up at a painting on my wall of a sunset upon hills at a shoreline and remark that visuals have intensified; the painting was contorting itself and the waves of the water were flowing.
My eyes close and I do not immediately enter a new realm, but slowly I find things constructing themselves. As patterns and colours generated to fill my internal vision, music begins to play to my ears in synch with the visuals being displayed. As I advance deeper into the psychedelia, suddenly it is wiped from my mind with what sounded like the frequency pitch of changing radio stations. My mind was a blank canvas again, free to generate more psychedelia, however again it was interrupted by this radio-tuning crackling which sounded very real.
I open my eyes and return to my bedroom, no more noise and everything seeming pretty normal. The occurrence of music playing in my mind I was very familiar with as it has occurred with other psychedelics ingested orally, however the radio-tuning sound had a physical sensation on my ears, as though it had actually been heard. This has never been experienced before, and I suppose it could be relative to the physical properties described in DMT.
I find myself lost in the closed eye realms after some time, and jump awake roughly an hour an a half later, still feeling slight residual effects.

Overall I had not anticipated the effects to be what they were, and I had definitely not anticipated having an auditory hallucination. It was a pleasant experience and I intend on investigating this at higher doses.
 
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Is there a way to make the trip shorter? When i take it oral it will take up to 8 hours before i can sleep. It needs to be like half of that time but i dont wanna IV. And how to make geltabs, its not the gel u put in your hair right :D
 
Gel as in gelatine, caravela ;) If you can't get your hands on benzo's then I think nasal or rectal should shorten the duration, though I'm not really sure as there isn't a whole lot on this. If you want to pursue this then keep in mind that these ROAs are generally more potent than oral, so aim low first
 
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Gel as in gelatine, caravela ;) If you can't get your hands on benzo's then I think nasal or rectal should shorten the duration, though I'm not really sure as there isn't a whole lot on this. If you want to pursue this then keep in mind that these ROAs are generally more potent than oral, so aim low first
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QFT.

I tried rectal acetylpsilocin once, i was already tripping on a lowish dose of 2c-c (24mg), and just as the peak was starting to wear off i plugged 12mg of acetylpsilocin in .75cc of water.

Kicks in very fast, is much stronger than oral, be prepared for it. 12mg was far too much on that occasion, and i struggled with the first half our after taking the acetylpsilocin. After that i was fine. Almost dmt like, with its very short come up, and rapid peak. It 's duration was significantly shorter as well, i'd say ~2/3 the duration of oral acetylpsilocin.

Approach with caution, but not fear. Start low (i'd stay under 10mg your first time), do it not in combination w/ other substances, and you'll be fine. The rapid come up is the hardest part about plugging 4-subs, but if you can handle smoalked dmt, you'll sail through it.

Never tried nasal, but it seems like a good idea, just hate to make so much solution (that will degrade faster than powder) at one time. I don't trip often enough for that to be worthwhile. Perhaps a mini spray bottle for ~1-2ml amounts would work for 3 or so doses worth without the waste of using a 15-30ml nasal mister.
 
You will have to excuse me if this is a stupid question as I am currently half asleep but why bother making a solution that you intend to insufflate with acetylpsilocin? I thought liquid measurements were only used when handling chemicals active at sub miligram dosages such as the nbome series and to a lesser extent the DOxs. Does the liquid help absorbtion? If so I may have to give it a try. I love the decreased duration of nasally dosed 4-aco-dmt, come to think of it I have never actually tried orally dosing this chemical. If ones usual dose is 20-25mgs up the nose, what would be a good oral dose? I know the erowid chart says that there is only a 5mg difference between oral/nasal but it says the same about 4-ho-met which IME is untrue. Swallowing 30mgs of 4-ho seemed equivalent to sniffing 15mgs besides the obvious decrease in duration and a quicker come up.
 
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Oh ROXIanne! said:
You will have to excuse me if this is a stupid question as I am currently half asleep but why bother making a solution that you intend to insufflate with acetylpsilocin? I thought liquid measurements were only used when handling chemicals active at sub miligram dosages such as the nbome series and to a lesser extent the DOxs. Does the liquid help absorbtion? If so I may have to give it a try. I love the decreased duration of nasally dosed 4-aco-dmt, come to think of it I have never actually tried orally dosing this chemical. If ones usual dose is 20-25mgs up the nose, what would be a good oral dose? I know the erowid chart says that there is only a 5mg difference between oral/nasal but it says the same about 4-ho-met which IME is untrue. Swallowing 30mgs of 4-ho seemed equivalent to sniffing 15mgs besides the obvious decrease in duration and a quicker come up.
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Yes, better absorbtion, decreased nausea, increased potency, decreased duration, none of the nasty bitter taste, etc. When its dissolved in water, it absorbs better and is healther for your mucosa membranes, be it nasal or rectal.

And i would say weighing out single doses of stuff thats very active under 15mg, with a mg scale that doesnt cost an arm and a leg, is far from accurate. Psychadelics in particular, i want to be able to know the dose i took. With phens its easy as they last a long time in aqueaous solutions. Tryptamines not so much. Alcohol will decrease hydrolisis into psilocin and then fairly quick degredation to inactives at that point, but it still degrades much faster in solution. Even dry alcohols will cause degredation of 4-subs quicker than dry storage.

Its necessary with the superpotent ones, nbomes, dox, fly's, lsd, etc. But its a comfortable feeling when you absolutely know even if your scale drifts 5+mg, your dosage wont be off more than a fraction of a mg or so when doing batch liquid sollutions.

It would work, if you have friends that you shared it with, or could consume the 50mg or so to make the solution in a week or less, other than that it works fine if you dose out a single/or two doses and make a solution, at the expense of reduced accuracy. Just know it will degrade much faster in any solution iirc. Water is the worst, even if you freeze it and wrap it in foil. That helps, but its not enough time for me to go through the doses. Others may be able to do so.

IE, the only gripe i have with liquid solutions, delivered via mucosa membranes (one of the best ways to deliver a plethora of drugs imho, psychs or not), is that you need a large volume, and a significant # of doses prepared at once to get good accuracy when dosing. If you weigh out one dose at a time, and dissolve in and deliver that way, thats absolutely fine too, its just less accurate.
 
How long would you say it lasts in solution? Pretty tempted to do this now (or rather when tolerance permits), but this is not a chemical that I would like to waste
 
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And i would say weighing out single doses of stuff thats very active under 15mg, with a mg scale that doesnt cost an arm and a leg, is far from accurate.
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Firstly I have to say that you're absolutely right that liquid measurement is by far the safest way to dose any chemical and is a must for many of them. That being said I own the Gemini-20, one of the cheapest miligram scales out there and found that simply placing a dime between the tray and the scale makes it accurate within 1-2mgs 95% of the time. Of course it still has a hard time accurately registering anything under 20mgs but by placing a 1 or 1/2 gram calibration weight and seeing that it weighs 1000 or 500mgs exactly I can add anything over 10mgs with the weight still on the tray and get consistantly accurate results. I also only use it on a level and sturdy counter top with no one else moving in the room to avoid any chance of swaying.
 
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I experimented for the 5th or 6th time with 4-aco-dmt a couple of weeks ago and ended up doing the entire 100mgs over the course of 2 hours. Man was that intense i was in anther world for a while almost but not quite as intense and otherworldly as IV'ing 15 mg.
 
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I experimented for the 5th or 6th time with 4-aco-dmt a couple of weeks ago and ended up doing the entire 100mgs over the course of 2 hours. Man was that intense i was in anther world for a while almost but not quite as intense and otherworldly as IV'ing 15 mg.
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Wow, I could not imagine taking 100mgs. Even doses around 35mg completely floor me. I'm surprised you can remember your trip at all!
 
Oh ROXIanne! said:
Firstly I have to say that you're absolutely right that liquid measurement is by far the safest way to dose any chemical and is a must for many of them. That being said I own the Gemini-20, one of the cheapest miligram scales out there and found that simply placing a dime between the tray and the scale makes it accurate within 1-2mgs 95% of the time. Of course it still has a hard time accurately registering anything under 20mgs but by placing a 1 or 1/2 gram calibration weight and seeing that it weighs 1000 or 500mgs exactly I can add anything over 10mgs with the weight still on the tray and get consistantly accurate results. I also only use it on a level and sturdy counter top with no one else moving in the room to avoid any chance of swaying.
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Thats pretty much how my geminis work. They work good most of the time, but i dislike the build quality/design. A good scale though for sure. I never thought to use a dime on the platform the tray sits on, think I'll try that with my two Gemini's and my jennings on a smallish dummy sample (~15mg zylitol) ;).

Just got a bunch of lithium iron aaa primary cells, and they work great in my vg20, i'm curious to how the would work in my geminis i rarely use anymore, in regards to accuracy. I'll dig em out and do some testing tonight with the three.

NIMH cells always gave me crap (too low voltage), nizn's too high, alkaline aaa's work for about a month then crap out.I've been using 3 lithium iron energizer aa cells wired up to my vg 20 (with an external battery pack and leads to the aaa +/- internal contacts) for a few months now, and my multi shows less than 15mv voltage reduction resting and under load. Any of those other battery types i've tried would be depleted, or self discharge themselves into depletion (nimh/nizns). Obviously that setup could go a year or so before the battery's die I'd say.

I think the two main things that affect scale accuracy, are good batteries (lithium is what you want, but a bit more expensive) they last longer though, have a 10 year shelf life, and i'd say their advantages make up for the slightly higher price. I got 20x of them for $32 online, and that will prob last me a few years or so since they're only for the scales. And proper calibration/loading of the scale.

The gemini is a good scale if you keep that in mind. It also helps to have other mg scales (diff/same models, the more the better), so you can weigh a sample multiple times and see how much variation you get.
 
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