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The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread (Part 1)

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Ok thanks for that i'll give it a miss then, I had read about how it reenters your blood stream in smaller quantities several times before it is excreted from the body, and I still feel mild effects now 18 hours after dosing, whats this mania and delusions everyone is on about then? I have my fair share of experience with Methoxetamine, 3-MeO-PCE, 3-MeO-PCP + ketamine and am still not sure if I have experienced them, certainly not negatively anyway.
 
Tried this last night, insufflated 10mg followed by 5mg an hour later, was really awesome and can still feel it in the morning, slept like a baby as soon as I got in and I was high as hell, must have knocked myself out with nos lol. Whats the word on re-dosing this substance is it best to wait a while for it to be completely removed from the system or will another 15mg dose tonight be alright? So far I definately prefer 3-MeO-PCE however more trials will be carried out :P

I find it pretty similar to 3-meo-pce in its half life - it seems to take a few days at least (maybe even a week) from the last dose to leave the system. i've had no problems with a few conservative redoses, or dosing the next day occasionally, except that the overall half-life is extended - plus it is cummulative so the redose adds to whatever is in the system. i can certainly imagine the potential trouble that reckless redosing with this might bring (once you've had too much it'll be a long wait for it to wear off). [remember kids, don't do drugs]

I find the afterglow lasts a couple of days - this is often the best bit for me, but sometimes i'm almost starting to wonder if it'll actually wear off by the end of the second day. Then i feel a bit drained and listless for a day or two (this bit is more noticeable when i've redosed it). I do certainly feel this in the body, so i'd guess that caning it wouldn't be that wise - i tend to want to leave at least a week between sessions (as with anything); plus i've been trying to leave bigger gaps so that i don't lose the magic that ive had from it so far. (bear in mind most of my use has been following -apb). i don't know which i prefer with 3-meo-pce; this is a bit less trippy/dissociating, but more stimmy/euphoric (i love them both for different uses).


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yeah i'm not sure what the mania specifically means - i guess it comes from the stories of PCP users who take all their clothes off, run in the traffic, punch the police or a wall etc. (see utube) - this extreme reaction is actually really rare by all accounts; but being dissociated and also stimulated (rather than sedated by k) can surely carry a risk of 'manic' incidents (as we've seen from some mxe stories). i can certainly feel some sort of 'mania' sometimes in the effects of this (and mxe) - although i find it hard to distinguish this from 'stimulation' or 'intense focus' in a lot of ways (but then i haven't done any idiotic doses (yet...)). as with mxe i do get some delusional ideas (discovered secrets of the universe or the new soma etc), but i find these fairly easy to laugh off pretty soon after they occur (but then maybe this whole post is a more subtle form of delusion...)
 
^Judging from my experience and reading users' posts the type of manic symptoms arising from 3-MeO-PCP or MXE use seem to be pretty good mimics of the symptoms people who are actually diagnosed with mania report experiencing. It's more complicated than CNS arousal, albeit blunt autonomic arousal can manifest in pretty complicated ways, too. There's a good quote from Andy Behrman on wikipedia's mania page that describes it:

"When I'm manic, I'm so awake and alert, that my eyelashes fluttering on the pillow sound like thunder."

Mania often involves this kind of amplification of sensation (an electrification of the world like 5-HT psychedelics), increased arousal (like straight stimulants), but also a kind of momentum of thought, ego, and feeling that can cause one to fly off on tangents in all directions with gross self-assurance, be they towards heaven, hell, or just some random far left field of consciousness.

Sometimes that momentum is so strong that it sweeps the experiencer along with it, and when the wave finally crashes they're so far from where they started that they've lost the plot (the NMDA antagonist mediated sense of disconnection from the body and amnesic effects probably makes one more prone to this aspect of mania than other drugs). [EDIT: once during a high dose DXM/MXE trip my internal monologue took the sound of the voice actor who read an audiobook I had been listening to in my car earlier in the day and I started to worry about the fate of the characters in earnest as if I was a part of the story -- thus literally losing "my plot" and substituting a fictional narrative from memory complete with alternate narrator]. Situations where this occurs may involve people elatedly resolving to completely re-haul their life while recklessly discounting the problems that arise from jumping into such an attempt blindly (granted in some situations such a change could be perfectly healthy, too, but recognizing the truth or falsity of that judgment in the first place may also be impaired by the manic state).

The ability to laugh off the ego inflation and delusions of grandeur you note during your use of 3-MeO-PCP sounds like hypomania, a milder -- and arguably much more healthy and useful -- form of mania where one's imagination can be swept along to fantastic hypothetical locations but their beliefs and perspectives remain more grounded. It's hard to pin down what mania is because it's so multifaceted, and can manifest itself through symptoms that seem to somewhat contradict each other, e.g. elation and rage.

While it's true that experiences of stimulants or psychedelics often contain characteristics of mania as well, I think the fact that 3-Me0-PCP and MXE bundle the qualities of stimulants, psychedelics, and dissociatives into single drugs allows them to better mirror mania in its totality.
 
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The ability to laugh off the ego inflation and delusions of grandeur you note during your use of 3-MeO-PCP sounds like hypomania, a milder -- and arguably much more healthy and useful -- form of mania where one's imagination can be swept along to fantastic hypothetical locations but their beliefs and perspectives remain more grounded. It's hard to pin down what mania is because it's so multifaceted, and can manifest itself through symptoms that seem to somewhat contradict each other, e.g. elation and rage.

While it's true that experiences of stimulants or psychedelics often contain characteristics of mania as well, I think the fact that 3-Me0-PCP and MXE bundle the qualities of stimulants, psychedelics, and dissociatives into single drugs allows them to better mirror mania in its totality.

Thanks for the clarifications and nuances; that sounds right to me. In my uses i'd definitely say it felt more hypomanic; it was never overwhelming or out of control (i've never felt much dissociation from 3-meo-pcp (compared to mxe) so it felt relatively 'sensible' and more of a stim (highest individual dose ~18mg) - though i am fairly 'sensible' anyway i'd guess); i don't doubt that the wrong dose for a person could be a different story.

Some of my mxe use has maybe felt more 'manic', but i found having something prepared to do beforehand can channel it (video, music etc). Apart from my natural vagueness, i was being vague because i didn't want to claim too much knowledge offhand of what someone with bi-polar type issues experience (though i've sometimes speculated that i have mild (or hypo) manic tendencies myself, but luckily without the depression side; as if that even counts).
 
^You're being vague regarding mania is arguably quite appropriate. Certainly people diagnosed with mania don't all exhibit the full spectrum of symptoms associated with the concept. If I recall correctly the diagnostic criteria for mania have been criticized as being so broadly applicable as to lack practical utility, perhaps to the point of being dangerous, particularly when medications are prescribed unnecessarily (as has been argued to be the case for many mental conditions). I simply mean to state that from my experiences with these stimulating species of dissociatives, and my reading of others' experiences with them, that they seem to more reliably evoke the constellation of symptoms associated with the diagnosis of mania than other classes of drugs that have been noted to mimic it.
 
^ My first go i tried ~7mg, definitiely felt it but didn't quite hit the spot, so added another ~7 an hour later - which was nice. My dose now is usually between 10 and 15mg (all doses nasal). However, even on the lower dose i wouldn't say i got 'nothing pleasurable', so it might still disappoint you in higher doses (ymmv etc).

Also, i nearly always took this when coming down from an empathogen (apb) (i do this with all dissociatives as i can sometimes find them 'cold' without it). Another thing to consider is there are two batches around; i've only tried the newer stuff once or twice, and thought it may be slightly less potent, but found it pretty much the same overall (as far as i can tell from minimal sample size)

edit; to add to the above, have started to dip my toes into slightly higher doses - ~20mg dose does give more dissociation (obviously) but still compos mentis for me (got well absorbed into a film though); i was never depersonalised/holed/whatever, but i could see this maybe happening with not much bigger dose. I may try a bit further to see, but i think i'll then settle back to the ~15mg area as a more functional dose for me (and to make the shit last)
 
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First experience with this at the weekend. A friend and me insufflated 12.5mg at 4am and got some very mild dissociation and a good deal of euphoria. It was a nice warm high which I could easily cope with and enjoy being in public or a big party with (unlike ket/MXE, where I hate being in public as i'm too dissociated).

It lasted about 3 hours at the most which was a bit disappointing, as I'm used to aMT which lasts about 8 hours. We redosed 12.5mg 3-MEO-PCP about 11am and it was the same as before. Nice, but could do with lasting longer. I kind of felt like I could have got the same experience with an aMT and MXE combo for cheaper and longer lasting.

Interestingly, it also really dulled my sense of taste for the following 12 hours.
 
Anyone knows how this compound mix with water? Will it end up in a thick flamable liquid? Regular PCP, mixed with water, also known as "embalming fluid", is administered by soaking cigarettes in and smoking it. Will I be the first one to try this RoA?
 
Anyone knows how this compound mix with water? Will it end up in a thick flamable liquid? Regular PCP, mixed with water, also known as "embalming fluid", is administered by soaking cigarettes in and smoking it. Will I be the first one to try this RoA?

what are you planning to do exactly?
 
While it's true that experiences of stimulants or psychedelics often contain characteristics of mania as well, I think the fact that 3-Me0-PCP and MXE bundle the qualities of stimulants, psychedelics, and dissociatives into single drugs allows them to better mirror mania in its totality.


That's why MXE has been reported to be a great anti-depressant. The qualities from the drugs you are left with are confidence, stimulation, different ways of thinking and analysing and a certain level of detachment.
 
Dissolving small doses of 3-MeO-PCP in water and dip my cigarettes in it.

you should use alcohol instead. 99% isopropyl alcohol from the first aid aisle. 91% will work too but 99% is better.

the alcohol will evaporate more quickly and and cleaner.

report back with any news. :)
 
does anyone have experience with rectal administration? How does plugging 3-MeO-PCP compare to say oral and nasal.
 
Yesterday I tried 10mg of 3-meo-pcp (insufflated)...Waited an hour and insufflated another 10mg. I basically just felt a bit wonky for 12 hours. Like low dose MXE, but lasting quite a bit longer. Am I doing it wrong or something? I'm failing to see the psychedelic side of this one...or the recreational side.

I will increase the dosages until something more interesting happens, but I'm kinda alarmed that 20mg didn't do all that much, judging by other people's anecdotal experiences. I might plug the next dose, since I don't have any needles available for IM.
 
That sounds about right (though i love the effects you describe) - i find it much less dissociating than mxe at the levels i've tried, with stimulation being much more dominant (the stimulation aspect feels a bit like coke to me which makes sense as it's a DARI) - then with slight stimulation/hypomania for a couple of days (my favourite bit). i love the stuff as a stimulant myself rather than a dissociative (similar to low dose mxe but more stimulating).

Saying that i have found myself quite dissociated when i explored higher doses a few times (~16-20 mg with 10-15mg top-ups), though the stimulation meant i'd get absorbed in a task at the same time (like i'd be doing something as i came up, then noticed later that i'd lost myself in it for a while - i get similar effects from medium mxe dose (~40-50mg)). I'd read on here somewhere that pcp has a similar profile to what i've had from this, and that 'hole' effects manifest with doses around 30mg. i've not tried this high yet; partly cos i haven't had too much, and partly cos i like it in the low to medium range anyway. i'd say there definitely is an 'anaesthetic' level (as shown by f+b's experience, on here somewhere), but i'm not sure i want to reach it (but there's more about now, so maybe i'll work my way up there).

Be careful dosing on consecutive days with this though - it stays in the system for ages and builds up (best to leave a week). i've overdid when i dosed maybe four days in a row (sensible doses each time, though mixed with other things and staying up quite a lot) - a few hours after the last dose i had a dizzy fainty spell and came over all sweaty for a while (along with worries i'd gone too far, futile self-promises to knock it on the head etc.) - i was fine after a few good sleeps, but be careful. (actually it was similar to symtpoms i've had in the distant past from overdoing coke over multiple days, so maybe dopamine-related). Also when done over multiple days, the afterglow is much diminished.
 
That's kinda interesting. It does feel a little bit like coke, and in actual fact I don't like coke. This gives me the same irritable state of mind. I'm jealous of those who enjoy coke! I suppose a dissociative cocaine is quite a wonder. It's just a shame I don't seem to get along with DARI's.

At the very least it's another drug ticked off the list 8)
 
It's something that to me is associated with dissociatives (heh, I like that wording). They isolate you and put you at the center of everything, so what else could be the "controller" of what's going on in your head?

I've never thought "I am god" straight out at any point...

Now, in my understanding, I become not a weaver of my dreams and memories, but of time and causality itself: a god.

Hehe this sounds a bit contradictory here. I love these somewhat random posts that get tossed into the psychedelic threads about stuff like this.

Well I think I get the point, you are not the creator, but a creator or maybe better put an extension of the creator that is connected to it all. I think I had some of the god delusions a few weeks ago from MXE and tryptamines... thinking I was the central point of the universe and somehow my actions were essential to the continuation of existence. Restated, that if I stopped (died) it would all stop.

Perhaps this and what you describe is just the confusion of death from blocking the NMDA system? The tripper is clearly alive but their mind beginning to mimic the perception of death, without totally pushing the button? Sounds similar to what people report for K sometimes with "near death" experiences where they see their self die.

Anyways 3-MeO-PCP sounds pretty interesting, I'll have to try it soon!
 
I'm using a smidgen of poetic license here but the way I now feel about this compound is that it's not a drug at all.

OK it perks you up and in that way it's a drug like cocaine or speed. but in fact it's another life form which exists symbiotically with the human body. millions of years of evolution have taken place to perfect the human animal to the point where it not only provides a substrate for this odd, chemically simple, lifeform to exist, but indeed to animate it from the very elements from which it is borne.

When the 3-meo-pcp and human begin their mutually sustaining endeavour, the human is initiallly smitten by lust as a man lusts for a woman. The impulse is carnal. But lust withers, like autumn leaves. Like a woman, 3-meo-pcp may capture the lustful eye of a man but for a brief honeymoon and the foolish man would think it her failing that her captivating looks had faded with the passage of time. But the wise man knows the deepest attractions are more subtle and will grow as autumn turns to winter into spring and so on.

The rule then is that the man must be silent, for like a woman, 3-meo-pcp has the superior tongue. In man's silence this life form will not only speak but sing and not only draw but paint. If it would not kill me i should still the beating of my heart and the rushing of my breathe the better to hear this siren's song.

Or maybe it's just like crossing the road. Stop. Look! Listen!
 
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Mixing metaphors? You rapscallion! If you're not doing so already, try waxing poetic while you're on it (I have a little book I like to write in when going on the occasional dissociative binge, I call it my crazy journal. It's a good lesson in just how delusional one can get while under the spell of these drugs). Er, nothing productive to say, so as an apology, please accept from me this unpretentious bouquet of very early-blooming parentheses: (((()))).
 
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