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The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread (Part 1)

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Perhaps its the 3-MeO-PCP. Tested 25mg - and what should i say. There was absolutely nothing that happened. No tolerance at this time.

Later i tried MXE which worked perfectly. K works, too. Perhaps some people need a dosage of more than 50mg for effects or they are immune. Dont know.
 
I have a small sample of this - enough for a few trials I would think.. I was thinking of trying 5mg first and go from there. I have pretty much zero tolerance to nmda-antagonists. I will probably insufflate it. Has anyone had success with oral dosing?
 
I have a small sample of this - enough for a few trials I would think.. I was thinking of trying 5mg first and go from there. I have pretty much zero tolerance to nmda-antagonists. I will probably insufflate it. Has anyone had success with oral dosing?

Oral worked for me - ~12mg in a cap; seemed to have similar effect to insufflated, maybe a bit stronger (can't be sure as other things were involved); still mostly stimulation with not much dissociation. Next i want to creep upwards to 15+ to explore this side more.

5mg would be good to start i'd think (though ~6mg was a little low for me and i added the same about 90min in). If it does anything at all that is (don't understand the posters above with no effect - the stuff i got was very noticeable to me even sub -10mg).
 
^ Thanks for the advice.

I will probably start with 5mg insufflated, then another 5mg, if Im not where I want to be. I think I'll do a larger, single oral dose at another time when I got a better feel for the stuff.
 
It's something that to me is associated with dissociatives (heh, I like that wording). They isolate you and put you at the center of everything, so what else could be the "controller" of what's going on in your head?

I've never thought "I am god" straight out at any point, but I've definitely had moments where I saw myself like a spider in a vast web of causality, sensing all the motions within it. I understand this web to be confined to my subconscious, and its strands consist of all these dreams I had never recalled in the first place, or fleeting reveries from months in the past -- amazingly random things -- and I get floods of memories from waking life that associate with them and explain how they fit into and explain the dreams to some degree, and in turn how the dreams affected my latter waking thoughts without me ever having been aware of it. After that, I feel as if I'm incorporating these realizations into my subconciousness to, among other things, be more fully aware of how they operate during waking life in the background of my thoughts, in reveries, in making judgments, and on and on, in order to expand my own awareness.

This interpretation does not seem implausible to me because it is entirely confined within my own life and mind. Moreover, gaining such understanding is one of the central reasons I use psychedelics and dissociatives in the first place. And so the idea that a consciously formed intention such as this should, over time and focused psychedelic meditation, come to be realized in the unfolding of a trip is somewhat expected.

But sometimes those dreams I remember are of recent world events. I can imaging conflating the sense that I am weaving dreams within my subconscious for the purpose of a deeper understanding of how they operate in my waking life with controlling world events like a god. For example, I dream about world leaders or climatological events and remember it while tripping, but all the while I'm feeling like I'm at the center of this nexus, and so instead of recognizing it's a nexus of dreams or long forgotten memories of my own, in my state of confusion I interpret them as the events themselves as they took place, or are taking place, or will take place, in physical reality external from my own past personal experience. Now, in my understanding, I become not a weaver of my dreams and memories, but of time and causality itself: a god.

i just read this again after many months. i gotta say... dude, if you really are controlling the weather or world leaders with your trips, then i wish you would be a little more optimistic. ;)
 
Tried ~17mg of this up the nose. More dissociation started to make itself felt at this level, but still nowhere near depersonalisation; not that i mind as the stimulation was excellent. This is great for creative stuff for me at this dose - while performance isn't really enhanced, inspiration definitely is.

After about 4 hours as main effects subsided slightly i topped up with ~9mg - this did get me back up but not quite to the previous level; but the overall stimulation lasted much longer than i expected compared to a single dose (combined with earlier dose after effects) - i dragged myself into bed about 8 hours after second dose, but was still buzzing; after a few hours half-sleep i got up and while i felt pretty drained, i was still buzzing for the rest of the day (even though i was up a couple of days before this).

Again the main drawback is the lingering after-effect; still slightly dissociated and stimulated through the next day, but also pretty physically drained for a couple of days. The afterglow is generally pleasant for me, but it stops me wanting to do it more than once a week just for logistical reasons (needing 2 or 3 days free); plus i want to make it last as there seems little chance of getting it again :(

After reading back through this thread, my doses seem pretty high compared to early reports (~17mg seems like high end of dose range, but i felt i could definitely increase); it could be that this stuff is different strength, nasal is that inefficient or i just don't know what to expect off PCx type stuff (judging it by more anaesthetic dissos?) - any ideas?
 
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That would mean methoxetamine is not smokable either. I guess knowing that would resolve it.

MXE is indeed smokeable. It's hard to say how effective it is, probably somewhat less so than snorting or eating. Effects are nearly instant but lacking in the full character of the snorted/eaten experience.
 
Any views on the efficacy of plugging this? I've tried twice, 2mg to no effect and tonight perhaps 7mg which led to definite threshold dissociative effects but very mild. I've not tried other ROAs, I tend to plug everything nowadays but maybe this needs a different approach.

Update: Wow! Silly to think I wasn't getting much. I dosed about 40mg MXE about six hours after 6-7mg of this and have discovered psychedelic wonders and mechanisms of consciousness I didn't know existed. Seems like these chemicals are very powerful tools.

Wow.
 
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^Ive found the last batch of 3-meo-pcp to be mostly stimulating with a some dissociation (average dose ~12mg; highest doses 15-20mg); much more of a stim than mxe (in fact i was using it to make music on); i don't know if it gets more dissociating at higher doses. I did expect more dissociation from it at these doses considering what i'd read, but i love it like this anyway (a functional dissociative stim!). There's apparently more due from a different place, so we'll see if it was just a less potent batch.

Also, as you found out, this stuff has a much longer half-life than mxe or k (the ketone group shortens it i think) - it can linger on in the system for ages - it recirculates from the fat back into the blood/brain (7 days half life for pcp i think). When i did it i'd expect to still feel slightly wobbly for a couple of days after, and with a nice euphoric afterglow (and a bit drained too). This has implications for longer sessions (i read something about pcp suggesting redoses should get smaller each time to counteract this, and that later on eating some lettuce can cause it to come back on!). Plus making important decisions in this long afterglow can be problematic (as with k - see John Lilley).

EDIT - i should add, all doses were nasal; never tried plugging, or even oral (i had limited amount so was trying to keep roa constant to get a picture of different doses) - maybe this is why i felt more stim than disso...
 
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i just read this again after many months. i gotta say... dude, if you really are controlling the weather or world leaders with your trips, then i wish you would be a little more optimistic. ;)
Heh. No, if you read again you'll see I never thought anything of the sort. It was a hypothetical extrapolation from my past dissociative experiences to how I could imagine such beliefs about the world coming together under the influence of 3-MeO-PCP. If I ever gain control over malicious world leaders I'll do something memorable and unmistakable with my power, like making them drown themselves in blueberry pancake batter.

I'll also take this opportunity to re-express the general interest in 3-meo-pcpr and 3-meo-pcpy... Anyone?
 
Does anyone here clearly prefer 3-meo-pcp to methoxetamine? Does it push more towards mania/psychiatric symptoms than mxe?
 
I much prefer 3-meo-pcp over mxe. My trials with mxe has been un-interesting so far.
For me they have a very different effect profile - 3-meo-pcp is a much more stimulating compound, and I feel very awake and alert on it, while mxe feels more numbing to the senses. I have sampled 3-meo-pcp in the range of 10-15mg. I will try 3-meo-pce soon and see how it compares to 3-meo-pcp and mxe.
 
Also, as you found out, this stuff has a much longer half-life than mxe or k (the ketone group shortens it i think) - it can linger on in the system for ages - it recirculates from the fat back into the blood/brain (7 days half life for pcp i think). When i did it i'd expect to still feel slightly wobbly for a couple of days after, and with a nice euphoric afterglow (and a bit drained too). This has implications for longer sessions (i read something about pcp suggesting redoses should get smaller each time to counteract this, and that later on eating some lettuce can cause it to come back on!). Plus making important decisions in this long afterglow can be problematic (as with k - see John Lilley).
^^ Almost right.
Here´s what FnB said about it once.
Fast and Bulbous said:
The arylcyclohexylamines without ketamine/methoxetamine keto function on the cyclohexyl ring do a weird thing where they get reabsorbed into the bloodstream from the bladder, giving them the appearance of having a hideously long half life. Worst of the bunch is PCP/3-MeO-PCP because of a combination of being difficult to metabolize and the inherent shape of the molecule (PCP is worse for that than it's 3-MeO relative as the polar nitrogen is totally surrounded by lipophillic groups. At least with the 3-MeO, the body has something to work with)
 
I much prefer 3-meo-pcp over mxe...

I agree. I've had nice times on mxe, but 3-meo-pcp is much more useful to me (as a stimulant with added magic). To me the main downside is the long half-life (not too bad a downside if you don't overdo it). People who want definite 'holes' i'd guess may prefer mxe or k though (k>mxe).

I also much prefer 3-meo-pce to mxe; it's also pretty stimulating but not as much as the ...p - but it's got a really nice trippy edge to it, and it always makes me laugh a lot. They could probably all give 'mania' (i've certainly felt manic off all three) but that's what's good about them for me - it doesn't always have to be 'psychiatric' (though it probably can be for some - i s'pose be careful giving any of these to people (or yourself) if there's a history of mental isssues/mania anyway). Bear in mind these opinions are based on a not very big sample size (maybe 10 times on each)

@Fagott (and FnB) - thanks for the corrections
 
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On the "mania", my MXE-after-3-MeO-PCP experience definitely had a borderline delusions-of-grandeur feel to it. I was close to convinced that I'd discovered the drug-(combo)-to-end-them-all, a chemical bolt-on super-upgrade for my brain and consciousness, a key with which I could unlock my personal super-powers (and a treasure-chest full of hyphens).

In fact my irrational side is still hopeful!
 
On the "mania", my MXE-after-3-MeO-PCP experience definitely had a borderline delusions-of-grandeur feel to it. I was close to convinced that I'd discovered the drug-(combo)-to-end-them-all, a chemical bolt-on super-upgrade for my brain and consciousness, a key with which I could unlock my personal super-powers (and a treasure-chest full of hyphens).

In fact my irrational side is still hopeful!

I and others also had this sort of effect several times (i.e. feeling we've discovered some new big thing that could change drugs forever blah-blah). I did put it down to extra grandiosity generated by the substance at the time... but you never know ;)
 
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MXE is indeed smokeable. It's hard to say how effective it is, probably somewhat less so than snorting or eating. Effects are nearly instant but lacking in the full character of the snorted/eaten experience.
My test rats seem to respond exactly the way you described, and they seem to enjoy smoke induced test research. But with further research it can effect their lungs in a negative way. So be careful if you like your test rats.
 
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Tried this last night, insufflated 10mg followed by 5mg an hour later, was really awesome and can still feel it in the morning, slept like a baby as soon as I got in and I was high as hell, must have knocked myself out with nos lol. Whats the word on re-dosing this substance is it best to wait a while for it to be completely removed from the system or will another 15mg dose tonight be alright? So far I definately prefer 3-MeO-PCE however more trials will be carried out :P
 
^IMO its not a good idea to redose on this from what i've read. I haven't even tried it(wish to badly and will sometime) but these seem pretty delusional and manic so it doesn't sound like a good dis. to redose consistently with. Just what I read and took from readings though, so maybe someone with actual experience will pop in and says that its grand, that jazz. :)
 
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