The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread - Mad Manic Meo 3nity

[xammy]

^Really? Do you take 30mg initial dose or do you redose? I think I have never done over 25mg a night and that's with multiple redoses. With all the scary manic episodes people have posted I am just too afraid to dose high. What kind of tolerance do you have?

 

[MSK]

^Really? Do you take 30mg initial dose or do you redose? I think I have never done over 25mg a night and that's with multiple redoses. With all the scary manic episodes people have posted I am just too afraid to dose high. What kind of tolerance do you have?

My tolerance is not really big nowadays, it really was worst in the past, but I still have got a really high tolerance to dissociatives. I'm just used to the effect of those on mind and body. There wasn't a single week without them since 2013, for years I was more disociated than sober. In the past I was daily user, now with this new and potent ones, I dose 1-2 times per week. I began with 10-15mg doses with 3-MeO-PCP and really enjoyed it. As I was losing the magic, I upped the dosage, and I'm enjoying it at 20-30mg more than at 10-15mg now. I still do low doses from time to time, I had just eaten 15 mg half an hour ago. The high is just different vs low doses, I love both. Is mania vs sedation, depends on what I want for the day, if have things done, or lose myself on the bed. I never redosed either with 3-MeO-PCP or o-PCE, taken orally. With 4h of effects and a looooong came down, I don't feel the need to redose or binge on this stuff as I feel with ketamine or MXE. Nice thing

 

[treezy z]

I might get back on this, tired of going to work every day need my super powers if I'm gonna quit.

 

[Madrus]

~4mg nasally hit really fast and strong. The effects are similar, but different than doing it sublingually/buccally . More of a rush and more dissociation, and the peak was at T+1 (I think) rather than T+2-3. It came down quicker too of course.
The small amount of weed edible taken 30 minutes before probably had an effect, but I can't feel it.

What ROAs do you all prefer?

What's the verdict on 3-MeO-PCP + small doses of Hydro/Oxycodone? Safety?

 

[Xorkoth]

My favorite ROA is nasal for this one (out of nasal, oral and sublingual). I find it produces the most desirable effects profile, and eliminates the long oral come-up too. It's more stimulating and more dissociating, and more euphoric, in the nose. For reference I feel the opposite about MXE, with MXE oral is the only way to go for me.

 

[MSK]

My favorite ROA is nasal for this one (out of nasal, oral and sublingual). I find it produces the most desirable effects profile, and eliminates the long oral come-up too. It's more stimulating and more dissociating, and more euphoric, in the nose. For reference I feel the opposite about MXE, with MXE oral is the only way to go for me.

I feel really the opposite! But I have never done MXE orally, I would be in love with the experience for sure... So much product wasted up the nose

 

[Crashing]

For me snorting it works as a stimulant very well, better than any stimulant. But for extended play, oral is the way.

I personally prefer to binge on anything that welcomes it. I don't typically binge on psychedelics as they generally aren't welcoming to that. 3-meo-pcp is so much more than a dissociative or a drug, it's a powerful medicinal tool not in the leagues of MXE and LSD but closer to Ibogaine or ayahuasca. To me this drug is the potential transmigration through self awareness and cognitive redevelopment, a confusing and bewilderingly deep spiritual endeavor. It takes continual experimenting to really find the honey hole, kind of how many other medications require up to a month to start 'working'.

I think it has a lot more medicinal potential than recreational.

The hole is very deep, very wide, and very sticky. It's almost like a sigma plateau DXM trip without any physical disturbances. Interestingly, i stayed at this level for the latter half of the month. It's like the third eye just got stuck open, and i was clairvoyant every day. There were a couple instances of delusion when i partied on the weekends. Dancing like a shaman, speaking in tongues, predicting Sanders to win the presidency with uninterruptible confidence, but no money spent on lottery tickets, no dishes broken.

I discovered that everytime I feel 3-meo-pcp start to wear off, I really just 'dropped in' to the plateau - similarly to MDMA. However 3-meo-pcp has a very sharp and misleading hump as it settles into it's main action. Any dose added within 24 hours will bump up the plateau that follows the madness.

I was on a very high base level of 3-meo-pcp, so as my normal dosing routine continued into week 2, there was no more come up, peak, or come down phases whatsoever. A morning 2-3mg amount essentially was just an activation of my alter ego. This was a total shift in posture, diet, visual depiction of reality, tone of voice, flow of breath, sinus cavity structure, auditory acuity, rejuvenation of my vocabulary, and an undying fire of compassion.

Being in that altered state for a period of days taught me lessons about myself that nothing else ever has. The snowball of wisdom started melting down lessons upon me near the end of my use, and now a week later, the silent reverberation of the 3-meo-pcp is still dropping cosmic bombs on my triangle eye.

 

[Vediog]

Nice post! I feel the same reverence for this substance, though I have not taken it as far as you. I find it is refreshing and inspiring even with just a bit on the weekend.

"rejuvenation of my vocabulary"

I find it interesting that you mention this, I've attempted some writing on the peak of a 3-meo-pcp trip and although the process is slower, I also found my vocabulary to be greatly improved and expanded. Reading through these B&D's I see it in many others as well.


I've introduced a friend to this, she really likes it. She's had addiction problems before (coke) so I really hope I don't regret sharing this substance that has the potential for so much to go very wrong.

 

[MSK]

I love to write, to talk, or to read on low doses of 3-MeO-PCP. It's just the perfect stimulant. As someone with ADHD, I'm already like on speed (hyperactive) when I'm sober, so my body and mind hates stimulants usually, as they're already naturally stimulated. With 3-MeO-PCP I seem to focus on doing things as if I was on a low-dose-amphetamine-LSD-ketamine combo. Really hard to describe with words, but with low doses I feel very productive, and 3-MeO-PCP weekly is helping to take it easy with my stressful job (web developer).

 

[Madrus]

I want to try a short regimen of low oral doses. Do you think water is okay as a solvent? I'm thinking 2mg every day / every other day, for a week or two. I want to keep my tolerance low, so it's hard to say.

 

[Bluuberry]

Water goes bad within a matter of days oftentimes, it's perfect breeding ground for a lot of buggies. You want at least 30%+ alcohol content, a cheap bottle of vodka works good for volumetric dosing.

I've been binging on this stuff since I got it. Probably not the best way to use it but I feel like it's the best thing since sliced bread. Small consistent doses work best for me to maintain functionality, though at times I think people might be noticing that I'm high as a kite when I start going off on manic tangents in conversation. Sometimes I feel like I'm going to save the world with the help of this, other times I think I've already completely lost my mind. Maybe both are happening at the same time? Crashing's posts are very similar to what I'm experiencing, only written with much more eloquence, writing was never my strong suite. I feel like I've never seen things so clearly before; without getting too detailed, I'll say that the clarity seems to be holding up to others scrutiny, proving that it's not simply delusion. Amazing stuff. I should probably take a break before I become a case report though.

Crashing, or any other regular users, care to weigh in on your dosages? This stuff makes my memory fly out the window at a certain point but it would seem I've been doing at least 30-50 mg total daily spread throughout the day at regular intervals of small amounts at a time, like 5-8 mg every few hours. Unlike others I think redosing is nice with this, but maybe time will prove me wrong. I have a strong psyche, others may have lost their shit at the places I've been on this; I just took a deep breath and waited out the storm. I get problems with locating myself in time with this, as well as some mild to moderate aphasia that I thought would go away but hasn't. I keep telling myself to take a break but the demands of the life I've chosen almost seem to require superpowers. I'm trying to figure out how to activate those other ways besides 3-meo.

 

[Xorkoth]

In my experience, dissociatives can lead to true insight and clarity, although one must always be cautious of accepting every bit of input as the truth. However, abusing/binging on dissociatives leads to a false sense of clarity that is accompanied (and seemingly supported) by feelings of synchronicity. Prolonged long enough, psychosis is a real concern.

The same is true of psychedelics too... the difference is that dissociatives specifically lead to mania which makes the effect much more intense.

 

[Bluuberry]

I know all the feelings of profundity should be false at this point in my delusions, but things are coming to fruition regardless. The synchronicity is real, everything happens as soon as I think about it, it can be confirmed by third parties that have no idea that I'm partaking. What does it all mean? I'm a bit unclear on that at this point, but the results keep spilling into everyone else' consensus reality.

And I agree wholeheartedly that one must be careful to check every byte of info, double or triple check if it holds up as truth. There's plenty to be discarded as lunacy, but what remains after that is gold.

 

[Hexagon Sun]

When you give this compounds to people like crashing the result is fucking poetical. I love to read poets in dissociatives, they produce me kind of contact high. This forum is a contact high intercharger and Im addicted to your crude impressions

In past I tried a excessive cold clinical 3-meo-pcp batch that I didn´t like at all. Tomorrow in a festival Im trying a new batch hoping is loaded with different energies. Also in past I thought purity and set and setting was the only variables at game. Now Im positive the energy of the batch is a crucial factor as well...

 

[Akbar Rabbitowitz]

Coming down from incredibly busy and lucid 14mg oral excursion. This time did not lounge around but had a lot of shit to do, for a High profile Major Project, the magnitude of which would be a long schlong, so to speak. There is both professional risk but some palpable personal danger as well.

On a few unexpected occasions, starting in the near future, I will be under a fucking microscope and must perform a few things flawlessly the first time, along with a lot of soft skills and cerebral sweat, for a defined period of time, in the spring time air. Oh yeah it pays really well!! Ive done it before, many times, lots of successful memories to draw upon.

I used a 8.4abv to ratchet up my experience at T+1:35, a few sips of NYCD, and I was busier than a one armed paper hanger, actually doing things, paperwork, packing, planning, lists, all focused on one normal everyday objective.

After a serious phone call at T+5:30, which I managed to eloquently escape suspicion, and which put my excursion off telemetry, I wiped my mood clean after music and meditation, felt fresh again, emerged to make a meal and assuage a disturbed woman back from visiting a family member in the hospital with pneumonia and heart failure and is getting a transfusion, very stressful and I was the therapist for her.

Then I wrote a very long piece for some old friends, and now I'm here to top off the excursion with my homeboyz.

We are persecuted unfairly for our indulgence. We have to hide our wares from public eyes. I'm realistic that 3-meO will not be accepted by anyone but true risk takers and innovators. The mere name includes a scary meme that elicits fear and disgust and pity. It's like Johnny Wadd with a face full of red raging pimple cysts. That's the unfortunate situation we face as users of this fluffy atomic resin we know and love.

3-meO-PCP is not giving me aphasia like the first time a few years back. Today was my first excursion in eight days. Be regular and don't binge! Give time between doses. Harm reduction is imperative. We are dealing with an invalidated and unknown thing in our brains.

If you respect this stuff, it will take you through the static and storm, and into the Ineffable Breeze of Bliss, Empathy, Energy, and Innovation. Amen.

Hey 3-meO-peeps! Need to check in here. Last weekend did my Bicycle Day excursion on mescaline hcl, which I duly documented in the Swirly Talk thread. Go check it out if you have an inclination.

First, I just want to update my crazed improbable shit "under the fucking Microscope," as referenced in the preceding post. Maybe I have a few fans or followers by now, copasetic folks who can grasp the multisyllabic music I exude from my brain at any time, under (almost) any intoxicating condition. It does make sense, every word has a meaning and an implication, I do have plans, and they are carried out, under nothing more than an intuitive impulse. Perhaps saome day I can be noted in public for this skill. For 30 years I have hidden my freak-geek side behind a facade of conventional disguises. In the last few weeks, when outside the fucking Microscope, I am finally finding my voice, beyond this song and dance for stressed-out corporate widgets who I entertain as a consultant. The High Profile project I referenced above has gone swimmingly, now on the downslide, over 75% complete, through sheer willpower, cannabis, espresso, and a lot of other substances, which I brought with me on this adventure, such as Modafinil, and, for one special day, a Dexedrine extended spansule, which you may know as the brown and clear capsule. (No that's not today, that was Tuesday.)

Here is my purpose here today - I need to ask the readers of this thread if they have personally, or have read of, taking a 3-meO-PCP excursion along with a cannabis edible. I just noticed that Madrus posted yesterday on this very topic. However, he took only 4mg, which would not take me very far. I would be taking probably about 15 mg, haven't yet decided yet how much, thought I would ask the BL community, all you fine folks. A search of this site with keywords did not provide anything. I have never even seen it mentioned, until Madrus, which, by synchronous coincidence, just happened to mention it. Unfortunately, he went on to discuss opiates.

The cannabis edible, I bought them from a guy, on impulse. He was in a public place and he was doing deals, so why not? I threw him a Jackson and scored a few. Later I looked at the label, did a google search, found absolutely nothing anywhere, which I thought was unusual or suspicious. Thought I got ripped off. But later, I unwrapped one, and as soon as my nose got close, this unmistakable, overpowering and heavenly cannabis aroma hit me hard, wow! That told me enough about what was in those edibles. It said to me in a sweet, melodious tone, "Enjoy in bliss, but handle with care, and be sure to titrate, this may really really fuck you up." Hey, that don't worry me none. Yes, I think I would like to take a full dose of 3-meO-PCP, along with a nice big dose of cannabis edible. In my vast 3-meO-PCP experience, smoked cannabis has always given my excursions a heightened and very pleasurable and long lasting experience.

Any ancedotal experience or advice welcome. I plan to do the 3-meO/edible combo this weekend, unless I go to a smokeout civil disobedient rally a few hours away, haven't finalized my plans yet. Best to all and I hope peacephrog, you get your 3-meO feet back on he ground and move forward, take a few days to recoup.

 

[Crashing]

I gotta say, very important here. I only experienced full on clairvoyance and flawless visual and conceptual clarity when i added smoked cannabis to the experience, I had been smoking cannabis all along. Without the cannabis, I would become unhinged. For me, weed during my 3-meo-pcp trip was incredibly beneficial. It restructured my intuition enough so that I could act humble, rather than goofy and outlandish. However, On one particular occasion during my deepest experience on it, cannabis threw me into a state of full on shamanic enchantment or demonic possession, whatever you might call it. Pounding polyrhythms on my chest, dancing and spinning wildly in a circular motion, and eventually on my back speaking tongues for a good half hour. To me, this wasn't a delusion.

In retrospect, out of all the deluded thinking that's gone on around here lately, I don't count the spirit dance. The whole event had me feeling more pure and connected to the Earth than I ever have before. After coming down from the peak that night, I dropped into a final plateau that was even higher yet...

Cannabis seemed to completely lock in the highest state of awareness without fail. If you know the basics of the chakra system, It is almost as if the Kundalini at the root chakra lifts up into the Throat chakra. That in turn pushes the weaker energy in the upper chakras to reconvene in the lower chakras. This to me is the consciousness shift we are looking at. Unlike Psychedelic drugs which just turn up the heat on the Root chakra so much that you can sometimes get the crown lit, but that's mostly only with DMT.

So to review, as the fire at your base shifts upwards into the throat, it tapers up with the helix and the light energy gets almost vacuumed or squeezed up in such an instantaneous fashion, that it still has enough power to retain baseline lower chakral activation.

Bluuberry, I hear what you're saying. Just always be aware that you're initial reaction is usually going to be manic, so slow down and try to be humble with the energy. It seems like it builds up over the course of 7 days and what happens is until you stop taking it for 48 hours, you haven't come down. Just remember that, so you're really high. Really really high and you're getting higher.. higher and higher... Just remember. You're getting very very high. So be careful, take little breaks. Assess your facial structure. This is a clear indicator of mania. It's a great drug. Definitely not for intermediate experimenters.

 

[theacidtest]

In my experience, dissociatives can lead to true insight and clarity, although one must always be cautious of accepting every bit of input as the truth. However, abusing/binging on dissociatives leads to a false sense of clarity that is accompanied (and seemingly supported) by feelings of synchronicity. Prolonged long enough, psychosis is a real concern.

The same is true of psychedelics too... the difference is that dissociatives specifically lead to mania which makes the effect much more intense.

I think a lot of people seriously underestimate this risk when using/abusing dissociatives. I've never been particularly keen on trying them, simply due to how many people here seem to have problems with compulsive redosing, very long binges, and some very very delusional thought processes. I'm not trying to shit all over this thread, more of just commenting on how clear the risk can be with this (and other similar) chemicals, even just by observing the posts of people in this thread.

I don't doubt that it can be a wonderful experience and a powerful tool for insight, but it seems that extra care need be taken in order to maintain self control and a sane grasp of the world around us.

 

[Bluuberry]

Akbar, definitely enjoying your posts, and I'm glad to be a participant in the Great Work going on here. We are pioneers, and you are doing good stuff, please keep documenting it as much as possible.

To address your question: I use medical grade cannabis at all times, but I prefer to smoke because edibles are very unpredictable. It's so hard to find the sweet spot, I almost always get painfully overdosed or get practically no effects. So I think it's really important to already be familiar with the sweet spot of whatever edible you are planning on using, before combining it. Both drugs have such long come ups, you ought to be careful there, lest one or the other synergistically sideswipe you.

Not sure what your plans are as far as what you are going to be doing, but obviously you know how deep you can go with both these things, and the synergy is pretty mind blowing. I always smoke cannabis with 3-meo-fluffer-duster, but I honestly can't imagine how the edible/3-meo combo would be.. Report back, I'm curious but I don't think I could venture there personally. I like the stimulation, clarity, hyperdimensionality of 3-meo, and edibles make my mind muddy and my body jello, at best. I can tell you about combining it (3-meo) with DMT if you're interested though.

Crashing - let me second that on the high grade cannabis kicking 3-meo into full gear. I am pretty much always smoking cannabis, but I definitely noticed the clairvoyant effects much stronger when meditating and using cannabis. I'm curious about your thoughts on the chakras and how they relate to these substances, as I have extensively studied the chakra system years and it's part of my daily life and thoughts. Can you elaborate on why you feel that psychedelics turn up the heat on the root chakra? Especially interested in why you feel that the crown only gets lit through psychs with DMT. What do you mean about facial structure in regards to mania?

It's nice to see the perfection in every microscopic thing.

Love you all, be well.

 

[Img_9999]

Combining cannabis and 3-MeO-PCP really kicks things up for me. It makes it very psychedelic, specially when the 3-MeO-PCP is combined orally. When I combined cannabis with snorted 3-MeO-PCP I felt like the mental stimulation was a lot more apparent. When I smoked after orally consuming it, I almost felt like I was tripping, I was having that "HD vision" that I get on the come-up of an acid trip, and my train of though was crazy, lot's of connections and insights, I felt like I could "see" my thoughs, and they were kind of a labyrinth spreading in all directions from my head, lol. It was pretty intense. I've also noticed that smoking weed even hours into the come-down seems to hit me way harder after consuming 3-MeO-PCP.

Once on that combo I had some very important conversation with my SO, many things felt into place. I'm starting to feel like this one is enjoyed in small groups of people. My first excursions into the disso world were a year ago, when I first acquired MXE, and they were all solo excursions. Now I feel like dissos are best enjoyed with a companion, I feel it turns the narcissistic mania into outward love. Sometimes when I'm on the "plateau phase" of this substances I almost feel like I'm on an empathogen or something. Even when I was holing alone I always seem to reflect a lot in how all of us are connected in a way, and how I'm connected to everyone I love. How people play a role in my life and how that's therefore necessarily reciprocal. I haven't tried to chase a "hole" with 3-MeO-PCP so I'm keeping my doses under 15 mg, but when I combined with cannabis it sort of brought me into that kind of headspace, making the experience a lot more immersive.

Yeah, this substance is gold. Pretty versatile. Dose low (5 mg insufflated for me) and is the perfect stimulant/mood-lifter. Dosing around 10 mg orally makes for an interestingly functional dissociative experience. Add cannabis to the mix and shit get's psyched up.


I wouldn't advice dosing multiple days in a row though, guys. Some of you may get away with it just fine, but for the average folk it's a way to impending psychosis. At least I know I wouldn't want to risk loosing it. Don't wanna be a party-pooper, but remember the long lasting effects of dissos on the mind are not clear, and the data on potential damage is inconclusive. I would avoid dosing any drug for days on end, honestly.

 

[Crashing]

Can you elaborate on why you feel that psychedelics turn up the heat on the root chakra? Especially interested in why you feel that the crown only gets lit through psychs with DMT. What do you mean about facial structure in regards to mania?

Well, it's just something I perceive. Each psychedelic drug will allow the user to suddenly become aware of different elements of the physical-electromagnetic spectrum. Meaning 25i, LSD, Shrooms, K, 3-meo-pcp, they each draw attention to different aspects, areas, and intervals of the chakral system.

A breakthrough on any of these substances is saying that the user has manually manipulated the perception of the cognitive-conceptual realm up into a non-physical state.

The way LSD and Mushrooms do this, is that as they start to kick in, what's happening is the users conceptual and physical perceptions are drawn to the Root Chakra. These are 'organic' feeling because they literally come on from the ground up. Often one needs to pass a bowel movement as soon as they start to feel it come on. The quality of the LSD or Shroom trip is determined by the users ability to follow the focal point of the come up of the drug. They have the capacity to open the crown at high doses, but more often than not the tripper will become fixated on hallucinations.

In my experience, when the rising fires of the kundalini illuminate the heart chakra, it creates a perfect 4th interval. They can fixate here and manipulate the fire into a ball of energy. If desire is not let go of, and this powerful ball of energy is used for a divine sexual ritual for example,. The mind expanding action of the psychedelic, the rising of the perceptual fields suddenly stops as the ball starts building and building instead of burning upwards or outwards. This causes the trip to level off at a 'lower' energy field or perceptual state.

Say The fire has burned its way up into the throat chakra. A perfect 5th interval. This is the the most enticing 'perceptual arena' to become 'tangled in' or 'caught up with'. ... and suddenly when becoming 'aware' of their electromagnetic/physical throat, the user might unconsciously associate the throat tingle with crying. This could lead to the fire being, again, accumulated in the throat. It can lead to despair, incredible creativity, or one and then the other. Still, I like to get much higher. Occasionally a solid dose of psychedelic will bring full on activation. Meaning, the Fires at the Root have build up so perfectly, that they are resonating through the body uniformly, up through the crown and into the cosmic vacuum, back around through the earth's core and up through the bottom of the root again. That's a ++++ trip. That's what i experience to be happening. And the perception allows for ideas to happen differently.

3-MEO-PCP actually takes no effort, and literally picks up the fireplace and sets its firmly into a heightened focal point. As the drug kicks in, there is no rising action, instead, the eternal fire burning at the root chakra slowly 'Teleports' into the Throat/Third Eye area. So instead of rising up through the physical center, it actually displaces itself simultaneously, so spec by spec the fire at the root chakra burns away but and equal fire at the throat/third eye begins to burn.

This allows for effortless perception of third eye perception and cosmic conceptualization, and it burns through the universe back up through the feet into the root and meeting with itself at the head/neck area but acts as more of a 'pilot light', which is why its not a very physical high.