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The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread - Mad Manic Meo 3nity

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I prefer doing 5mg doses spread out with an hour or 2 between doses. I snort it, I prefer it that way (unlike MXE which I prefer orally). Even snorted, the peak won't hit for a while. Personally what I like 3-MeO-PCP for is the clearheadedness, body sensations, and euphoria. So 10mg at once for me produces an undesirable level of dissaociation for a couple of hours. If I bump it up to the place I want (10 to 15mg), I enjoy the effects more consistently and find I get less dissociated. The one time so far I've used it for dancing, that's what I did.
 
Well that sounds great, then. How do you go about measuring such a small amount of powder to insufflate Xork?
 
Interesting.
I shall try that approach some day. I found that it really really took a few doses to really appreciate this chem, but once i did - i really think it is useful and functional in the right dose, set and setting.

Treat it with respect and it can be fun, reflective and deep.
Or just good for kicks, with little obvious hallmarks of "intoxication"; no wonky stumbling, slurred speech, as well as no stimulant pushiness, tremors, tension, jaw grinding or excessive perspiration.

I get this really interesting sense of awareness of my presence on the earth, in relation to the rest of the planet. This sort of cosmic awareness that is hard to explain (and makes me sound like a delusional casualty when i start attempting to!)
My experiments with this have been very moderate and restrained, however - but the potential of this stuff has becoming more apparent with each experience.
The long come-up, the dissociative peak - followed by the smooth afterglow - makes for a really interesting drug. Once you get used to that and can organise your dose around your plans, it can be a really great time - especially, i find, on a night out.
I loved mxe - and ketamine - but this is a whole other substance, able to be utilised for a completely different reasons.

Maybe it's wrong to compare them, but i find this stuff to be great in a lot of ways mxe was not.
I'm starting to think i prefer it, but then again mxe and ketamine were always drugs i would take tucked up in bed or reclining on the couch.
Being able to go out dancing on a dissociative is a lot of fun. Live music, crowds of people and socialising on mxe always felt confusing and sort of difficult. 3-meo-pcp puts me in a somewhat similar headspace, but in a much more extroverted manner.
Fascinating stuff.
psy997 said:
Well that sounds great, then. How do you go about measuring such a small amount of powder to insufflate Xork?
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personally i put the powder into something (a lid or small capsule) and work it out from there. 5mg is tricky to weigh accurately. And 3-meo-pcp seems to have a pretty heavy molecular weight (i think - is that the correct terminology?)

I cringe when i read of people eye-balling doses of this stuff. Even when capping up a dozen doses, i find my estimated "that looks about right" amounts can - when weighed - vary wildly. What i predict will be 5mg is sometimes more than twice that much. Especially with such a steep dose curve.
I'd recommend being very careful and methodical - and double checking the doses you've weighed up, before trusting their accuracy. Single-milligram digits can be pretty fiddly to work with.

Liquid volumetric dosing could also work, i suppose. Anyone using that approach?
I don't know how stable it is in solution...
 
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I use my milligram scale, without taring it... I try to get weight on there (with the tray/etc) so it reads at at middle of its weight range, and then I weigh out my dose, when it reads 5mg or whatever over the initial weight, I've got it. This is because scales tend to read more accurately in the middle of their range. It could be a little off but 7mg isn't a lot different than 5. Alternately, you could weigh out your total dose for the night, and divide it up by eye. It would be a bit more accurate, and so what if your first dose was 6mg and your second was 4mg? If you want to use it orally, liquid measurement would be your best bet. I like to snort it, so liquid measurement would be cumbersome (involving evaporation every time I want to take a dose).

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Maybe it's wrong to compare them, but i find this stuff to be great in a lot of ways mxe was not.
I'm starting to think i prefer it, but then again mxe and ketamine were always drugs i would take tucked up in bed or reclining on the couch.
Being able to go out dancing on a dissociative is a lot of fun. Live music, crowds of people and socialising on mxe always felt confusing and sort of difficult. 3-meo-pcp puts me in a somewhat similar headspace, but in a much more extroverted manner.
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I totally agree. I have been having the same thoughts, wondering if I prefer this to MXE. I got MXE again for the first time in quite a while, and now I'm not so sure. They're just two different drugs, for two different purposes. I actually have fun going out and dancing on MXE too, but it's more of a "whoa, I feel wonky, there are a lot of people here but I don't care at all, or what they think of my weird dancing, but at the same time I'm not going to talk to them". With 3-MeO-PCP it's like "DAMN, I'm doing some killer dancing, I'm so ready to talk to everyone and I feel great!". For a serious dissociative voyage MXE would win any day of the week. For a group mind sort of magical experience, MXE would win. 3-MeO-PCP is a more subtle drug, suited for times when a subtle touch is what's needed. MXE is a lot more in your face and psychedelic.
 
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I use my milligram scale, without taring it... I try to get weight on there (with the tray/etc) so it reads at at middle of its weight range, and then I weigh out my dose, when it reads 5mg or whatever over the initial weight, I've got it. This is because scales tend to read more accurately in the middle of their range.
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Yeah, same here.
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If you want to use it orally, liquid measurement would be your best bet. I like to snort it, so liquid measurement would be cumbersome (involving evaporation every time I want to take a dose).
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You ever tried that technique where you spray a bit of liquid up yoir nose with an oral syringe (forget the term for this - waterlining? Something like that?). I used to do this with tiny amounts of bupe during a taper. Sounds unpleasant but worked well.
Snorting 3meopcp doesn't sound pleasant to me though - i'm generally not so keen on insufflation anyway, but the stuff tastes so bad that i wouldn't want to taste that drip. Nasty!
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3-MeO-PCP is a more subtle drug, suited for times when a subtle touch is what's needed. MXE is a lot more in your face and psychedelic.
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Yes, absolutely. I miss mxe, but find i get more out of the self-reflective nature of 3meopcp. And at reasonable doses, i find the latter feels far less taxing. I used to feel somewhat poisoned by the (higher end of the scale) doses of mxe i was takingg towards the end, especially in the post-dissociated 'comedown' stage. In the end, i hated the "afterglow" of mxe - yet i love it on 3meopcp.

I never feel like 3meopcp is oozing out of the skin on my face, the way mxe always did.
Used to find myself washing my face all the time, like i was perspiring it through the pores of my face.
Never felt that way - or that dehydrated on 3meo, even on an overcrowded dancefloor on a stinking hot australian summer night.
I wonder if it was just the quality of the mxe i always seemed to get, or if 3meopcp's miniscule effective dosages play a part in this?
Not yet had double vision or a splitting headache on 3meopcp either - one thing that seemed to occur more frequently with mxe as i continued to use it.
MXE is far from my grasp nowadays, and miss it though i may - i'm happy to have an equally fascinating arylcyclohexamine to work with. As a tool and a (very carefully approached) funtime chem, it is indeed versatile - potent, and profound.
I'm rather impressed by this one - subtle, but powerful as hell.
 
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Snorting 3-MeO-PCP isn't bad at all, it stings a tiny bit for a second, you can taste a drip slightly but I don't find it bad at all. I usually snort 5mg to 10mg max dosages, so the small amount of powder helps.

Weird about MXE, I have never felt that "oozing out of my face" thing before from it (I have on certain stimulants, particularly pyrovalerones). When I would take a hole-style dose of MXE, I would feel a bit off afterwards, but my usual way of dosing was to take 20-25mg orally, and then boost it by 15-25mg doses after a bit. I would always remain functional and social (except for one night I took 4 25mg doses, that was overwhelming and kind of nasty) and feel good the whole time, and experience a significant level of magic and feelings of synchronicity. Also I do FEEL like I get more dehydrated from MXE, but then again, one night recent;y I took 15mg of 3-MeO-PCP and drank a variety of beers. I didn't take care to drink water although I had a glass. The next morning, my uvula was extremely swollen. As I drank water through the day it improved. The next morning it wasn't swollen anymore but it was red and developed several canker sores. My throat hurt so bad for a few days I thought I had strep, but I didn't (went to the doctor to get it checked out, and it was negative).

On MXE, I have had very useful experiences that were truly useful after the drug wore off, and I've had some really strange mental workings that seemed profound. I've also had a lot of thoughts that seemed profound and perhaps were, but I couldn't make sense of them later. On 3-MeO-PCP anything I've encountered with it I've been able to relate to in sobriety, it's very clearheaded like that. It's much more down-to-earth.
 
What's up folks? The MXE nazi is back. Lol I did some 3-MeO the other day. Thought it was alright I liked how it made the world look really defined and wonderful. Not nearly as much as MXE used to do for me, but yeah it was pleasant. I did experience the side effect that I don't like with MXE with 3-MeO as well. That is that I couldn't really think or form a normal sentence. 3-MeO made me a lot more retarded than MXE did but overall I just gotta say I don't HATE the stuff, but I just don't see it as magical as others do. It really makes me feel retarded.
 
I wonder what negative side effects would arise from dosing this often. I did 2 days in a row now couple times a day and no negatives. It's like MXE just heavier on the mind than the body. Tolerance is only issue
 
Look up what happens when dosing -any- NMDA antagonist regularly. I think the wikipedia page on NMDA antagonists had some good info. Suffice to say it's not a great idea, even though it feels great.
 
I have to agree with Bluuberry, as much as I also agree with everyone else about how wonderful it is to dance on, how the bodyload feels lighter (and more functional) compared to high-dose MXE, or how it's better as a functional antidepressant compared to MXE, and when done right it can be pushed pretty far in that direction, but just like MXE there has to be 'off' cycles within the days-at-a-time 'on' cycles to prevent serious or longer-lasting side effects that could cause real biochemistry imbalances that can exacerbate depression, depersonalization/derealization, or at the most extreme cases when dosing every day for over a week, straight up psychosis! Like I say, ride the line, but be careful not to cross it.
Edit: Please take it from someone who has crossed that line in a number of ways and recommends that other not do the same.
 
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Yeah I've been dosing MXE daily (with occaisonal breaks for a week or three here and there) for almost a year and a half now. Take it from me, dosing any disso regularly is a fucking terrible idea. My brain feels like a scrambled egg and yet I still want more. These are great tools but I think due to the lack of info about them, it seems like a common attitude that it's okay to take these things on a regular basis. There are withdrawals, there are lasting negative side effects on an emotional and cognitive level, I'm sure on a physical level too.

Just be moderate with these damn things, the more you do it the less you get out of it anyway.
 
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On MXE, I have had very useful experiences that were truly useful after the drug wore off, and I've had some really strange mental workings that seemed profound. I've also had a lot of thoughts that seemed profound and perhaps were, but I couldn't make sense of them later. On 3-MeO-PCP anything I've encountered with it I've been able to relate to in sobriety, it's very clearheaded like that. It's much more down-to-earth.
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MXE is more abstract like that for sure. I've struggled to integrate some of more wild holes or otherwise unexplainable experiences, whereas 3-meo-pcp has much more grounded connections. It may still connect things in incredible wild ways, but those connections are very real and rational even after the experience.
 
8 days later and my ears are still ringing as badly as they were the day after my 50mg dose

Too bad cause I really liked this drug
 
Far out - that sounds horrible.

All the more reason for everyone to be careful with this stuff, and stick to low-to-moderate doses.
I hope it clears up soon.
Are you abstaining from, or reducing your consumptiom of other drugs while you have this tinnitus?
 
The 50mg was spaced out throughout the day....

Haven't been using any other drugs other than some kava and kratom

I've had tinnitus for 17 years, but this is just really bad
 
what is this drug like if you r currently opiate dependent and taking the drug while on an opiate? (not high or nodding....just on pain maintenance) what if you have less opiate in your system than normal but still feel decent? does it help or worsen the withdrawlish/anxiety feeling that comes with not having your full amount that day? I remember mxe making the low dose opiate feel way stronger and making me feel "normal" again and not withrawing

I also asked about combining with mdma by starting new thread but interest to hear because mxe was fucking great with mdma
 
I have used this now a week in a row, then a week off and again 4 days in a row and it feels pretty benign. I've dosed only at nights, maybe 10-15mg max. I can feel the residual effects next day but I feel fine. Probably shouldn't use that much but it is as seductive as mxe and even more functional. Tolerance has gone up very fast too, I should take a long break from dissos again but it's hard not to use when u have this lying around. I will be fine with it when I run out again.. Been ordering 100mg at a time, 1g would be too much to handle and I would probably end up flushing it down the toilet at some point haha.
 
Anyone tried combining this with CNS stimulants?

There's not much info out there on combining stimulants with dissociatives and most of it is warnings not to do it without any reasoning behind it.

Combining recreational dosages of say, dexamp and 3-MeO-PCP sure sounds like a recipe for a one way trip to the mental ward but what about therapeutic usage?

I jumped in and combined 3-MeO-PCP with 10 mg of dexamphetamine (ir), both taken orally.

The first try was with 0.5 mg - no effect that couldn't have been placebo

1 mg - Definately some effect, the PCP is doing more than if the dexamp had been left out

2 mg - this is there it starts to get interesting! The positives sides of dexamp seems to have been left untouched while there's an added feeling of inner peace along with a stong antidepressive effect (stronger than 2 mg without dex). It also seems to help relieve some of the side effects from the amps. I'm sweating less, my muscles feels more relaxed and most note worthy, the vasoconstriction has gone significantly down! On 10 mg dex it isn't that bad of course, but I do have cold hands quite often and the PCP seems to help sort this out.

Which leaves me with the question, is 3-MeO-PCP (or NMDA antagonists in general?) considered to be vasodilators?
A google search didn't answer my question as there's so little info on these novel analogues so I tried Ketamine instead which only made matters worse as I could find some info pointing towards it being a vasodilator but also some saying it had vasoconstricting properties.

What have you guys noticed regarding vasodilation or constriction with this gem?
 
Well if MXE is dopamine reuptake inhibitor, then 3-MeO-PCP might be, and so is your speed, so it could be dangerous at higher dosages.
 
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