pharmakos
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The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread - Mad Manic Meo 3nity
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make sure you're not deceiving yourself, brother.
Xorkoth
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I like 3-MeO-PCP more the more I have used it. My friend has a shitload so sometimes when we hang out we add a little of this to the mix. It's a really interesting substance, not really like MXE at all. Much more functional and substantially less dissociating (I haven't gone to high dosage territory yet though, not sure if I will).
pharmakos
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told you that you have to take it a few times before you can really tune in to it 
Xorkoth
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Yeah you called that. It's a good time, and sometimes useful.
2 nights ago, I took some 4-HO-MiPT followed by 3 5mg doses of 3-MeO-PCP staggered by a few hours, all nasally (took the 3-MeO about an hour and a half into the 4-HO-MiPT, which strangely had not peaked yet). My friend did the same and some other friends were just on 3-MeO-PCP. Before when I took 4-HO-MiPT while already on a ~10mg oral dose of 3-MeO-PCP, it was like the tryptamine was unable to pierce the dissociation cloud, it was weird, I could tell it was there but it was like it was an illusion. This time, it was a really great trip, euphoric, energetic, analytical and loving.
At first, my friend who took the MiPT with me was having a bit of a crisis. He revealed to me that he's been really, really stressed and unhappy lately, unsatisfied with his relationships and life, he told me, but he has no idea why because until recently he was really happy and chill and isn't sure what's different. He was really upset about it, and at first was only going to take the dissociative but asked me sudden;y if he could have a nice full dose. I thought about it and agreed because this is the friend I trip the most with and I know how he is with psychedelics and I thought it could be a good thing. And it was, but I really had to help him through some things. He wanted to be alone for a while, and after a bit I went to check on him. He was in a great state, open and thoughtful, and we talked it out. He kept regressing back into his anxiety but I'd help him through, make him laugh, and so on. We capped that session off by just creating some music together... he played on my synth (he later told me was symbolically crying his pain out through the sounds he was making) and I played the piano, and we created some of the most hauntingly beautiful music for a good half hour straight. It helped him so much, lately we had been working hard with the band on a very structured set of songs, and he really wanted to just freely express something totally in the moment. It was very cathartic for him; afterwards that he felt so much better and thanked me for being there for him and helping him release some serious stress/sadness, and we went upstairs with the others and proceeded to watch 2 full live shows, one was a Phish show during which we danced our asses off, which was incredibly euphoric, it was like we were at an actual show (we all went together to an actual Phish show over a year ago), and the other was a Lauren Hill in Japan show that was honestly one of the greatest things I've ever seen. Lots of dancing and laughing was had. All in all, an intense but really wonderful night.
I always found that MXE made it harder to play music and often to connect with it too, but 3-MeO-PCP is actually great for that purpose.
It's a good time, and sometimes useful.2 nights ago, I took some 4-HO-MiPT followed by 3 5mg doses of 3-MeO-PCP staggered by a few hours, all nasally (took the 3-MeO about an hour and a half into the 4-HO-MiPT, which strangely had not peaked yet). My friend did the same and some other friends were just on 3-MeO-PCP. Before when I took 4-HO-MiPT while already on a ~10mg oral dose of 3-MeO-PCP, it was like the tryptamine was unable to pierce the dissociation cloud, it was weird, I could tell it was there but it was like it was an illusion. This time, it was a really great trip, euphoric, energetic, analytical and loving.
At first, my friend who took the MiPT with me was having a bit of a crisis. He revealed to me that he's been really, really stressed and unhappy lately, unsatisfied with his relationships and life, he told me, but he has no idea why because until recently he was really happy and chill and isn't sure what's different. He was really upset about it, and at first was only going to take the dissociative but asked me sudden;y if he could have a nice full dose. I thought about it and agreed because this is the friend I trip the most with and I know how he is with psychedelics and I thought it could be a good thing. And it was, but I really had to help him through some things. He wanted to be alone for a while, and after a bit I went to check on him. He was in a great state, open and thoughtful, and we talked it out. He kept regressing back into his anxiety but I'd help him through, make him laugh, and so on. We capped that session off by just creating some music together... he played on my synth (he later told me was symbolically crying his pain out through the sounds he was making) and I played the piano, and we created some of the most hauntingly beautiful music for a good half hour straight. It helped him so much, lately we had been working hard with the band on a very structured set of songs, and he really wanted to just freely express something totally in the moment. It was very cathartic for him; afterwards that he felt so much better and thanked me for being there for him and helping him release some serious stress/sadness, and we went upstairs with the others and proceeded to watch 2 full live shows, one was a Phish show during which we danced our asses off, which was incredibly euphoric, it was like we were at an actual show (we all went together to an actual Phish show over a year ago), and the other was a Lauren Hill in Japan show that was honestly one of the greatest things I've ever seen. Lots of dancing and laughing was had. All in all, an intense but really wonderful night.
I always found that MXE made it harder to play music and often to connect with it too, but 3-MeO-PCP is actually great for that purpose.
I think I haven't really tuned into this one yet, and am honestly surprised I hadn't realized that was probably a factor in my experiences given how long it took me to get acquainted and cozy with MXE. I guess I just thought if I'd reached that point with both DXM and MXE this would be the same as it's also a dissociative...?
pharmakos
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its worth reiterating -- this is a very different beast than most dissociatives. no one should assume they are more prepared for this because of their prior experience with MXE or DXM. prepare for to again get that feeling of "whoa so this is what tripping is like" that you probably first felt and forgot about so long ago.
Vurtual
Bluelighter
I found this too (below 15mg) though listening back to recordings, it probably sounded better at the time
(tendency to slip into slightly manic 'wow that's revolutionary what we just did', then listen back a few days later and think, 'not really that revolutionary after all' :s). At doses below ~15mg (YMMV) i found it more of a stim than anything (like trippy coke even), and fairly good for playing music - though i don't think it actually added to my technical ability (like a straight stim could), but it certainly did to my aesthetic sense. In short, good for ideas, not so much for gigs.pharmakos, what would you recommend for coming to terms with this chemical? For MXE and DXM laying down with eyes closed listening to trip-hop or ambient music was how breakthroughs started, then making music with it, etc. Any advice for learning it's character?
Xorkoth
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To me this isn't a breakthrough type of dissociative, not sure that even happens with this. For me it's something I like to do while up and interacting with the world. Socializing on it seems the most rewarding to me. Dancing, moving in general, listening to music... these are good activities. I didn't find it particularly interesting trying to lay down with my eyes closed, it's more of an in-the-moment, awake type of thing.
pharmakos
Bluelighter
for me i tried it at low doses a couple times with lackluster results, then ended up going through 30mg in a night and having my mind blown. that was reckless of me, tho, i should have worked my way up there a bit more slowly. was not at all ready for how intense that trip was, and had i not had like a full day and a half afterward to reintegrate things probably would have gone worse.
tho, if you are looking for more of an eyes-closed experience, this stuff combines VERY well with MXE and DXM in my experience. medium doses of MXE or DXM along with a low-medium dose of 3-MeO-PCP produces a wonderful couch-lock sort of state with really good eyes closed visuals. dosing the 3-MeO-PCP low in the combo is necessary, tho, so that the 3-MeO-PCP stimulation doesn't end up overriding the MXE/DXM couch lock waves =p
tho, if you are looking for more of an eyes-closed experience, this stuff combines VERY well with MXE and DXM in my experience. medium doses of MXE or DXM along with a low-medium dose of 3-MeO-PCP produces a wonderful couch-lock sort of state with really good eyes closed visuals. dosing the 3-MeO-PCP low in the combo is necessary, tho, so that the 3-MeO-PCP stimulation doesn't end up overriding the MXE/DXM couch lock waves =p
Yea I can definitely tell it's not a breakthrough type of experience from personal experience and from what I've read, and I've combined with MXE before to great and almost scary effects, but was mainly just trying to get an idea of what you see as it's character, and if you had any suggestions on how to experientally see that myself. I guess I'll just try higher doses during activities that move energy, ala actual energy work, biking, dancing, etc.?
Jabberwocky
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I want to second this. A dissociative experience with no physical activity is a completely different one. If you're using these to improve depression I'd say some exercise is a must. The positive effects and energy tend to last longer between experiences. When I stopped exercising during dissociative usage I fell into the redose cycle and went downhill quick. To get out of the thought-streams and into felt-awareness you gotta cut through the dissociation with these substances. I love jogging; I focus not so much on running fast but on running as harmoniously as possible. It is absolutely amazing to feel all the little clicks and crackles in my spine as I relax into my body. Each crackle brings a felt/emotional-type sensation along with it. Amazing stuff. Anyways, that's what I've learned personally so that's a great plan and you should try it. I think you'll agree.
Xorkoth
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Erowid just posted a report on a 125mg accidental overdose of this: https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=107713
Interesting. Seems like the person wasn't in a great deal of physical danger, but was monitored closely by a friend in the medical profession who made sure he was okay and prevented him from doing anything dangerous.
Interesting. Seems like the person wasn't in a great deal of physical danger, but was monitored closely by a friend in the medical profession who made sure he was okay and prevented him from doing anything dangerous.
alfredosauce
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IV'd way too much 3-MeO the other day and suffered no ill effects other than blacking out, acting like an idiot and then falling and fucking up my chin. Only 5 stitches not a bad injury but this shits caustic...My arm still hurts from that (thick) shot 7 days later. Eh I've tried this drug many times now and its just too dangerous for me to own. Peace out guys I won't be in this thread after this post but I must advise you to stick to oral dosing and NEVER going over 10 eyeballed mgs. Not over 20 mg if you have a scale. Dangerous stuff.
pharmakos
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well, he says he won't be back to read responses, but let it be known that IVing this stuff and eyeballing doses is pretty dangerous.
SONN
Bluelighter
this stuff is pretty great. the other night I measured out 15mg and snorted it, then I snorted another eyeballed amount about 25 minutes later and ended up having an ego death.
I felt like I was on a conveyor belt, (kinda like how K or MXE will make you feel like you're floating down a lazy river, but more salvia-esque) and I knew that the conveyor belt's destination was my own inevitable death.
at this time in my life I was pretty frustrated with myself and as things drifted further and further into abstraction I wasn't sure if I was alive or dead, and I really didn't care very much. It felt like I might have died and my consciousness was brought down to the most basic level it can operate on, like my awareness was only being prolonged by the heat still in my body or something.
if I had to describe the visuals i'd say they were like halfway between Minecraft and a tool music video.
I left my TV on playing some irrelevant show which kept me pretty grounded the whole time despite not knowing if I was alive or dead at some point.
I managed to sleep that night, and tbh the majority of the effects of the ego death seemed to take hold the next day.
I thoroughly enjoyed this experience. It produced the antidepressant effects that Ketamine and MXE can produce for me, but in its own unique way. The next day, I thought of many new things that I'd never thought of before, such as interesting art installations I could make, new philosophical tangents, speculation about the effects of sound on chemical reactions and whether or not certain frequencies at high enough decibels could catalyze certain chemical reactions.
also, the next day I had one of the most intense workouts of my life where I felt like I was flexing every muscle in my body at once including my diaphragm. There were certain times were I was screaming at the top of my lungs to the extent that it felt like I pulled a muscle in my trachea or some shit haha
The best/ most interesting part though was that I was able to stretch more muscles in my body then I ever have in my entire life after that. I stretched every muscle in my legs all the way down to my toes, and then all the way up my back to my shoulder bones and hands. I'm positive this has some sort of crazy effect on your hormones at this point, but its obviously quite healing in one way or another.
about a week later I decided to take 8ish miligrams with a half hit of LSD and this rhodiola supplement I have. I realized the rhodiola would make the LSD stronger but didn't really think about what it would do to the 3-meo-PCP which was pretty dumb in retrospect. either way, both were wildly potentiated. By 6 hours in I was getting such strong afterimages from the onstage lights that I had to walk away out of fear of potentially having a seizure. I wouldn't recommend this combo, it really fucked with my temperature regulation (pretty sure that was mainly the rhodiola) I was really cold all day even though I was definitely wearing more clothing than necessary.
I haven't done it since then. it will probably be a while before I do decide to do it but I definitely wanna combine it with LSD without rhodiola one of these days in a more controlled environment and see what its all about.
I felt like I was on a conveyor belt, (kinda like how K or MXE will make you feel like you're floating down a lazy river, but more salvia-esque) and I knew that the conveyor belt's destination was my own inevitable death.
at this time in my life I was pretty frustrated with myself and as things drifted further and further into abstraction I wasn't sure if I was alive or dead, and I really didn't care very much. It felt like I might have died and my consciousness was brought down to the most basic level it can operate on, like my awareness was only being prolonged by the heat still in my body or something.
if I had to describe the visuals i'd say they were like halfway between Minecraft and a tool music video.
I left my TV on playing some irrelevant show which kept me pretty grounded the whole time despite not knowing if I was alive or dead at some point.
I managed to sleep that night, and tbh the majority of the effects of the ego death seemed to take hold the next day.
I thoroughly enjoyed this experience. It produced the antidepressant effects that Ketamine and MXE can produce for me, but in its own unique way. The next day, I thought of many new things that I'd never thought of before, such as interesting art installations I could make, new philosophical tangents, speculation about the effects of sound on chemical reactions and whether or not certain frequencies at high enough decibels could catalyze certain chemical reactions.
also, the next day I had one of the most intense workouts of my life where I felt like I was flexing every muscle in my body at once including my diaphragm. There were certain times were I was screaming at the top of my lungs to the extent that it felt like I pulled a muscle in my trachea or some shit haha
The best/ most interesting part though was that I was able to stretch more muscles in my body then I ever have in my entire life after that. I stretched every muscle in my legs all the way down to my toes, and then all the way up my back to my shoulder bones and hands. I'm positive this has some sort of crazy effect on your hormones at this point, but its obviously quite healing in one way or another.
about a week later I decided to take 8ish miligrams with a half hit of LSD and this rhodiola supplement I have. I realized the rhodiola would make the LSD stronger but didn't really think about what it would do to the 3-meo-PCP which was pretty dumb in retrospect. either way, both were wildly potentiated. By 6 hours in I was getting such strong afterimages from the onstage lights that I had to walk away out of fear of potentially having a seizure. I wouldn't recommend this combo, it really fucked with my temperature regulation (pretty sure that was mainly the rhodiola) I was really cold all day even though I was definitely wearing more clothing than necessary.
I haven't done it since then. it will probably be a while before I do decide to do it but I definitely wanna combine it with LSD without rhodiola one of these days in a more controlled environment and see what its all about.
zn13bt
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Probably a lot of you know this story by now, but the pharmacologist who invented MXE once ended up IM'ing 50mg of 3-MeO-PCP, and was committed to a mental hospital for three weeks as a result. (http://www.vice.com/read/interview-with-ketamine-chemist-704-v18n2)
pharmakos
Bluelighter
You know, I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet, but if anyone insists on trying out high doses of this stuff -- try to get a trip sitter. So many of the bad stories surrounding this stuff would have been prevented had the user not been flying solo. If any dissociative RC ever called for a trip sitter at high doses, it is this one.
xammy
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Yeah this is potent as fuck. I started very low by licking few mg's from a scale, didn't do too much. After 1-2 hours insufflated ~5mg and I'm just where I want to be.
Feels nostalgic man. Like dosing MXE for the first time. This one might be a gem.
Feels nostalgic man. Like dosing MXE for the first time. This one might be a gem.
vortech
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To Resonate with other responses, 3meo is complementary to MXE in a number of ways. It is more of an extroverted outwardly-creative interact-with-the-world type of experience. Dancing and exercise is thoroughly enjoyable and sometimes feels necessary as the only way to effectivly channel the large amount of energy. Dancing, brisk walks, bike rides and stretching were all exhilarating. Dancing in particular felt very special/magical/expressive/cathartic.
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