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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread: 3-MeO 4 Leaf Clover

pharmakos said:
i've been wondering for awhile about whether you guys are actually getting different batches. its easy to not recognize tolerance for what it is, and assume that a new batch isn't as good as the old batches. seen it happen many times to many people with many substances.
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Thing is, I was doing one batch for about a year, very frequently, at low doses, and getting exactly the same effect every time. Then I ran out for over a month, and got a new batch with a more flour-like consistency, and from the very first time and every other time I've experienced different effects. I can't produce the same level of hypomania. If it was tolerance, why would my final use of the old batch have been a certain way and then after a month off, the effects were different and always were from then on? I had come to rely on every single time the effects of consecutive low dosing to produce a certain effect, and with the new batch that just changed.
 
Maybe different sedimentary layers of the yield look different and vary in effects?
 
That doesn't explain why they would vary in effects, it would then be something like impurities either from side-reactions or a precursor (the nitrile is supposed to be active I think, but toxic though and may smell of almonds), impure precursor even, that consists of not only the 3-MeO but 2-MeO grignard?
We can guess, but it would kind of require someone submitting a sample to the lab. Maybe I'll do it. Didn't want to before, because it may take most of my small-ish stash but I'm not using it much. It's a non hypomanic product if I had to choose but it's supposed to be the same as the previous time I bought it, and I think I got hypomania from that. Fortunately there are no stereoisomers cause I doubt they test for that.
 
pharmakos said:
i've been wondering for awhile about whether you guys are actually getting different batches. its easy to not recognize tolerance for what it is, and assume that a new batch isn't as good as the old batches. seen it happen many times to many people with many substances.
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Thank f*** it's finally happened for a compound without isomers so that we don't have to spend 500 posts discussing whether a new synth is stereoselective for once. 99% chance this is tolerance. Happened with MXE, happens to people with ketamine. Tolerance doesn't just mean people need a higher dose, it changes the qualitative effect too.
 
Maybe one day ibuprofen will alleviate your headache, and the next day it won't. I assume that also applies to other drugs.
 
I told you guys, I've been indulging on the same batch all this year (I bought 10g's) and along half this year I also was using two other different batches, that felt the same. Now I only have got 3meow from the bulkier batch, and effects are tooootally different to when I was begining, even if I take 1-2 months breaks between doses. Tolerance, and lose of the magic for sure, as the powder is the same as a year ago.
 
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Thank f*** it's finally happened for a compound without isomers so that we don't have to spend 500 posts discussing whether a new synth is stereoselective for once. 99% chance this is tolerance. Happened with MXE, happens to people with ketamine. Tolerance doesn't just mean people need a higher dose, it changes the qualitative effect too.
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Then why would I be getting the exact same effects every time for months and months with one batch (that had a different appearance/color), and then after 1-2 months (can't remember exactly how long) of no 3-MeO or other dissociatives, I get a different batch with very noticeably different effects? The effects are actually stronger in terms of intoxication, but there is no prolonged hypomania, just some hypomania short-term during the effects if I build it up enough. The last batch, I could 100% of the time build up a hypomanic state lasting for days and reaching an intense peak if I went long enough, using 1-2mg doses separated by hours. Just doesn't happen with this batch, never has one time. It seems unlikely to be tolerance if the one type of effects persisted until the very last dose of a batch with a different appearance, and then disappeared after a month or longer break, never to return, the only difference being a new batch.

And I mean, yeah, okay, maybe it's the power of suggestion or something if I'm getting really high and feeling like the high is different. But in my mind, a threshold dosing regimen resulting in reliable hypomania is not quite the same. I can tell whether I am experiencing hypomania or not, it's pretty objective and clear-cut. Am I talking non-stop, feeling euphoria for seemingly no reason, feeling uncontrollably inspired in art and music, and having a lot more energy than normal, or am I not feeling those things? It's pretty easy to tell.

I'm gonna take some of this tonight, it's been a little bit. :)
 
^ the thing that i find interesting is that i've had one batch, and one batch only (largish acquisition) - and that has the effects noted only recently in this thread.
For a year or so i thought i was having weirdly exceptional results with this one - never any mania, and i found there was magic to be had when upping the dose rather than taking small doses like xorkoth had.
I never take it too regularly, i never had a massive tolerance to dissociatives, but i did play around with MXE a bit a few years earlier.

Then suddenly - long after i got my stash - a bunch of people start reporting a drug that behaves (and looks, fwiw) exactly like the stuff i got - which is different to the stuff they were getting previously.

I'm not qualified to even assess the arguments re: isomers and so on - but i'm really glad we have those sorts of minds here.
This is a pretty fascinating phenomena.
 
And my results with a new batch are the polar opposite from Xorkoth. I know tolerance has some role but this ain't just mild differences.
 
yeah I noted some of this...the stuff I got back in 2013 was just amazing medicine. A batch gifted to me in 2015 was not the same thing at all. I hope I can get wise to the good stuff. ;) GOtta get some.
 
I acquired some 100mg of 3-MeO earlier this year and about half of the stack is gone now. No hypomania, no speedy effects, no insights, just feeling wonky, calm and functional - that's it. Doses ranging from 3 to 12mgs. No previous disso experiences before, so no tolerance. So odd. Btw, tried MDMA for the first time - no effects, nothing. Better to stick with shrooms, I guess.
 
I find that for me hypomanic experiences are related to the set & setting and not to the batch itself. The days I'm luckily gifted with an hypomanic, positive and creative experience are those rare days that I'm totally zen with all aspects in my life, a hard one hehe
 
There are no stereoisomers but there could be isomers, when you want cheap product, you buy cheap precursors.
I remember the mephedrone time, it was said that each batch was a different mixt of 4MMC and 3MMC.
Perhaps with 3meoPCP we can find some proportion of 2 or 4 meoPCP in it ?
Not sure when you ask for analysing a sample if the lab push the test so fare to discremenate the position of the methoxy group.
 
Considered that but 2-MeO-PCP isn't a heard of drug like 3-MMC is and 4-MeO-PCP is a very different beast which doesn't match the descriptions of others nor my own experience. Adder has reported on 2-MeO-PCP once I think (said it's very weak) but that's about it afaik - maybe some underground hyperlab chemists made it..

Stimulants being commonly misadvertised as other stimulants is different from 'accidentally' having unheard of positional isomers in your product.

Yes a lab should be able to see that difference, but mostly if they have the reference sample.
 
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I've been discussing with a friend that tells me snorting this for him is more potent than oral. I'm convinced oral is more potent than snorting. I say this because of personal experience, aprox. I find that for aiming to have a similar experience, I need nearly double the material of the 3meow to reach the same level as orally. This is true also for 2-OxO-PCM, 2-OxO-PCE, and 3-MeO-PCE, at least in my case! What are your insights about this matter, fellow angeldusters?
 
I actually find oral to be stronger by dose too, but I prefer nasal because I like the stimulating onset. I like the stimulating nature of this drug more than the dissociating nature. Either way puts me in that magical inspirational place when dome right but my oral experiences are always heavier, less functional, more personal, less external. That's why I prefer nasal most of the time.
 
I myself like it on the hard side, but usually snort it in low doses because of work, responsibilities, and those shitty things in life that keeps one away from enjoying the hedonistic life so much. My dose with 3-MeO-PCP "for the flow" purposes would be 15mg snorted, but I would get the same effect with 5mg oral and it would last longer. For a heavy dose I would use 25mg oral, and I would reach a level I wasn't able to reach snorting it recklessly eyeballing.
 
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