Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy 2C-T-7 Thread

[Didgital]

Been there man, I was frustrated with the long come up of T-7 so added in some 4-aco-dmt. Holy shit did things get intense. Slept for 12 hours straight after that!

Haha I slept 15 and I'm still exhausted, but I actually feel great.

No regrets, but if I touch it again in my life I'll be surprised.

 

[SuperPsych]

I recently found my old stash of HOT-7 and you guys are making me want to explore it again. It's been a number of years. I never was lucky enough to get to try 2CT7

Oh an 2CT2. Found my old baggie of that. There's only the bag scrappings left, I'd be lucky if I got one low dose out of it, although I never had much in the first place. Only ever got to try it twice but I still regard it as my favorite psychedelic. A truly beautiful experience. I sure hope that I can revisit 2ct2 one day. That one is a gem

 

[Xorkoth]

Agreed, I always loved 2C-T-2 quite a bit more than T-7.

 

[sidestyle]

Oh I am just making reference to the old glory days of the old school PD crew... circa 2006. The community was very strong, lots of people, PD Social would move sometimes as much as 10 pages a day. Lots of people were tripping a lot, and discovering the world of RC psychedelics together. There was also a lot of DMT smoking, and a few attempted worldwide group blastoffs (with countdown ). A good friend of mine (met him here, now close friends IRL for many years), would get super excited and hypomanic and would say "DO YOU SMELL THE INDOLE IN THE AIR??"

A few people here might still remember those days. Not many of us left.

Bluelight in general used to have many times as much traffic, back in the glory days of traditional forums. There were so many intelligent and interesting people participating. Not that there aren't still, there definitely are. But things were definitely different and more vibrant back then. Traditional forums are dying out, we have managed to stay alive and interesting which I am thankful for. Google's search algorithm fucked us big-time, we used to be on the first page of search results for almost any drug-related question. Now no drug forums are, it's all reddit, quora, and paid advertisements for rehabs with canned and often inaccurate information.

I’ve done more lurking than posting on this forum but I was here since the 2007ish days and I can agree, it was a golden age of exploration, comradery, and growth. Though I wasn’t as integral to the community here, names like Xorkoth, Morninggloryseed, and Sepher have been staples in my lexicon for years and inspired me in my own style of exploration which has served me quite well over the years. I went on to start the 5meo forums to try and create a similar repository of knowledge but I have noticed the same that the Google algorithms don’t really favor forums. Regardless, I think it’s a great format and brings back nostalgia to the good old days and inspires me to keep doing the work I am doing that I dreamed of so many years ago. Wishing you all the best, just wanted to jump in on the nostalgia train

 

[aag]

First, I took 5.7 mg. After 30 minutes, I felt nothing, and I decided that the dose was too small for any effects, so I made the call for a second dose. I weighted 12.7 mg and took it. Both doses in a glass filled with water. The substance didn't dissolve at all, so I drank the water with floating specks of 2C-T-7.
Total dose: 18.4 mg
In summary, it was a pleasant experience with no negative effects.

37 minutes after taking the second dose, I began to feel the first effects. By effects, I mean any sensations that deviate from my usual sober state. It was the typical onset of a phenylethylamine psychedelic. My mood improved, and felt excited.

After 45 minutes, the effects were pronounced enough to rule out any placebo.

I felt a psychedelic aura around my thoughts and reasoning. My ability to think logically was intact, but somewhere in the depths of my mind, I sensed a subtle influence of the psychedelic mindspace. Visually, I noticed the first changes - colors became more intense and everything was pulsating. I didn't experience any body load.

I felt good, slightly dazed with euphoria.

When I looked out the window, everything seemed like there was hot air shimmering between me and the point I was looking at, like a heat haze.

55 minutes after the second dose, I decided to go out to the store to buy some sweets because I suddenly felt the urge for it.

As I was in the elevator, I noticed that time seemed to pass faster. The elevator was going from a high floor to the ground, but when it reached the first floor, it felt like it should already be on the ground floor.

I felt lightness in my legs, as if I weighed 10% less.

During the walk, I felt like I noticed more details and saw things I hadn't seen before. It seemed like I could see the movement of every branch on a tree and even every single leaf. Colors were so vivid that I felt like I could see more colors than my eyes could perceive.

I also noticed significant depth perception distortion. I saw a building in the distance with a tree in front of it. The tree seemed to move away from me while the building appeared getting closer. I can imagine that on higher doses of this substance, moving through space could be challenging.

I went to the store and of course, there were people inside. It might be interesting from the perspective of my research, how I reacted to other people. Usually, with psychedelics, I tend to feel stressed, and my social anxiety reaches its peak. With empathogens, however, I always feel confident, and people don't cause me any anxiety. With 2C-T-7 I felt more of that slight anxiety and reluctance to be among people, although it wasn't extreme like it is with 4-subbed tryptamines. I didn't feel too anxious walking around strangers. I mostly didn't care. Confidence, familiar from empathogens like MDMA, broke through, but it was subdued by the intensification of the psychedelic social anxiety. In summary: I felt more anxious than I would if I was sober. But it wasn't as intense as it is on, for example, 2cb or any other regular psychedelic.

I noticed slight signs of body load. Occasionally, I feel heaviness in my stomach. Sometimes cold, sometimes hot. Minimal nausea, really. The whole bodyload is such that you can ignore it - but its just me and I've heard many people complain about heavy body load on this substance.

After 85 minutes from the last dose, I began to wonder how I would compare this substance to 2C-B or mescaline.
The conclusions are that it definitely differs from 2C-B in terms of greater empathy and stimaulation. Visuals - I don't know, maybe 2C-T-7 performs better here? But I'm not sure about that. Maybe it's the same.
Mescaline - as above, but I would also say that mescaline has a much greater mindfuck and influence on thinking than 2C-T-7, on which I can think relatively soberly.

I also come to the conclusion that it's not worth taking this substance alone at home. It's too lively, and one feels urge to do something. I took it alone at home, though. Just because I prefer to take new drugs like this - with small doses, safely and at home. My next time with this substance will be most definitely not at home.

By psychedelic standards, 2C-T-7 is the most stimulating and empathogenic psychedelic I've taken (excluding things like AMT, which for me is no longer a psychedelic but has crossed the barrier of being an empathogen)

After 2 hours from the last dose, I checked how the CEVs are. Their immediately reminded me of a Lava lamp. They were slowly drifting abstract shapes. They didn't move to the rhythm of music, they were independent of it. I've encountered such CEVs with other phenylethylamines.

Every now and then, intense waves of euphoria, stimulation, and empathy appeared. And during these waves, I could risk saying that it's 50% empathogen and 50% psychedelic. But only for the duration of these waves. Because if I were to average it out, I would say it's 80% psychedelic, 20% empathogen. Still, a psychedelic overall.

The peak of the experience occurred around 2h45m after the last dose. Then, the effects began to fade, but they're still present. In my case I would say the duration of this drug is 6h, and then an afterglow, for an unknown time. Most likely until the next day.

 

[Pfafffed]

Thanks for the report! That's certainly consistent with my feelings about 2C-T-7 for what it's worth. I'm glad you had a positive experience.

 

[PsychedelicSummer]

First, I took 5.7 mg. After 30 minutes, I felt nothing, and I decided that the dose was too small for any effects, so I made the call for a second dose. I weighted 12.7 mg and took it. Both doses in a glass filled with water. The substance didn't dissolve at all, so I drank the water with floating specks of 2C-T-7.
Total dose: 18.4 mg
In summary, it was a pleasant experience with no negative effects.

37 minutes after taking the second dose, I began to feel the first effects. By effects, I mean any sensations that deviate from my usual sober state. It was the typical onset of a phenylethylamine psychedelic. My mood improved, and felt excited.

After 45 minutes, the effects were pronounced enough to rule out any placebo.

I felt a psychedelic aura around my thoughts and reasoning. My ability to think logically was intact, but somewhere in the depths of my mind, I sensed a subtle influence of the psychedelic mindspace. Visually, I noticed the first changes - colors became more intense and everything was pulsating. I didn't experience any body load.

I felt good, slightly dazed with euphoria.

When I looked out the window, everything seemed like there was hot air shimmering between me and the point I was looking at, like a heat haze.

55 minutes after the second dose, I decided to go out to the store to buy some sweets because I suddenly felt the urge for it.

As I was in the elevator, I noticed that time seemed to pass faster. The elevator was going from a high floor to the ground, but when it reached the first floor, it felt like it should already be on the ground floor.

I felt lightness in my legs, as if I weighed 10% less.

During the walk, I felt like I noticed more details and saw things I hadn't seen before. It seemed like I could see the movement of every branch on a tree and even every single leaf. Colors were so vivid that I felt like I could see more colors than my eyes could perceive.

I also noticed significant depth perception distortion. I saw a building in the distance with a tree in front of it. The tree seemed to move away from me while the building appeared getting closer. I can imagine that on higher doses of this substance, moving through space could be challenging.

I went to the store and of course, there were people inside. It might be interesting from the perspective of my research, how I reacted to other people. Usually, with psychedelics, I tend to feel stressed, and my social anxiety reaches its peak. With empathogens, however, I always feel confident, and people don't cause me any anxiety. With 2C-T-7 I felt more of that slight anxiety and reluctance to be among people, although it wasn't extreme like it is with 4-subbed tryptamines. I didn't feel too anxious walking around strangers. I mostly didn't care. Confidence, familiar from empathogens like MDMA, broke through, but it was subdued by the intensification of the psychedelic social anxiety. In summary: I felt more anxious than I would if I was sober. But it wasn't as intense as it is on, for example, 2cb or any other regular psychedelic.

I noticed slight signs of body load. Occasionally, I feel heaviness in my stomach. Sometimes cold, sometimes hot. Minimal nausea, really. The whole bodyload is such that you can ignore it - but its just me and I've heard many people complain about heavy body load on this substance.

After 85 minutes from the last dose, I began to wonder how I would compare this substance to 2C-B or mescaline.
The conclusions are that it definitely differs from 2C-B in terms of greater empathy and stimaulation. Visuals - I don't know, maybe 2C-T-7 performs better here? But I'm not sure about that. Maybe it's the same.
Mescaline - as above, but I would also say that mescaline has a much greater mindfuck and influence on thinking than 2C-T-7, on which I can think relatively soberly.

I also come to the conclusion that it's not worth taking this substance alone at home. It's too lively, and one feels urge to do something. I took it alone at home, though. Just because I prefer to take new drugs like this - with small doses, safely and at home. My next time with this substance will be most definitely not at home.

By psychedelic standards, 2C-T-7 is the most stimulating and empathogenic psychedelic I've taken (excluding things like AMT, which for me is no longer a psychedelic but has crossed the barrier of being an empathogen)

After 2 hours from the last dose, I checked how the CEVs are. Their immediately reminded me of a Lava lamp. They were slowly drifting abstract shapes. They didn't move to the rhythm of music, they were independent of it. I've encountered such CEVs with other phenylethylamines.

Every now and then, intense waves of euphoria, stimulation, and empathy appeared. And during these waves, I could risk saying that it's 50% empathogen and 50% psychedelic. But only for the duration of these waves. Because if I were to average it out, I would say it's 80% psychedelic, 20% empathogen. Still, a psychedelic overall.

The peak of the experience occurred around 2h45m after the last dose. Then, the effects began to fade, but they're still present. In my case I would say the duration of this drug is 6h, and then an afterglow, for an unknown time. Most likely until the next day.

You'll enjoy 25-35 mg much more, I think. You can increase effects by insufflating 1 mg, wait 20 min, repeat 'till the level you want. Dangerous drug to insufflate in large doses though.

 

[nepalnt21]

@aag

that's a really thorough and well thought out report. thanks for that. picture perfect.

i'd REALLY love to try the 2c-t-x ones, especially 7.

(out of the phenethylamines, i've only had mescaline etc. in the form of echinopsis tea... oh, and unknown DOx and maybe an nbome of also unknown i.d.)

the +4 report in pihkal for 2c-t-4 also makes me crave that one, ok i'm rambling now... sick and gabaergicated.

anyway, nice report.

 

[Leprechaun]

Good to see 2ct7 is still around. Hopefully we cross paths one day.

 

[Leprechaun]

Snorted 2C-T-7 seems to be quite dangerous, it's much, much more potent (as is true with all 2C-Xs) and 2C-T-7 is an MAOI, and seems to cause rhabdomyolysis in overdose. Most of the deaths reported from it are either from snorting it, or combining it with MDMA, or both.

2C-T-7 is weird for me, I have never been able to dose it right to get the kind of experience people talk about. I have dosed it from 25mg to 50mg. At 50mg, it was still feeling weak and barely visual. Then the next time I took 42mg and it was really strong, but kind of just like I was mangled, I had visuals but not like people describe, and I felt very unpleasant, super heavy bodyload, The last time I took it, I took 35mg and found it very mild, pleasant though, but mild. It just doesn't seem to agree with me. 2C-T-2, on the other hand, is consistent in effects every time and just wonderful.

Agree, intranasal is a terrible option. Much better orally and far more interesting and pleasurable experience.

 

[GulpingBatteryLiquid]

Is there any particular reason why this stuff is so rare now? I never saw it on the DNMs, even back in the heyday when more obscure drugs were commonplace and you could get 2CI and 2CE UK > UK

 

[Leprechaun]

Is there any particular reason why this stuff is so rare now? I never saw it on the DNMs, even back in the heyday when more obscure drugs were commonplace and you could get 2CI and 2CE UK > UK

The synth is actually quite complex compared to 2c-I and 2c-B.

Both respective compounds are a near one step reaction from 2c-H, which 2ct7 is not.

Also, it’s not as agreeable on the body.

But as for the character of the experience, it’s truly delicious.

Like a rare fine wine.

 

[red22]

The synth is actually quite complex compared to 2c-I and 2c-B.

Both respective compounds are a near one step reaction from 2c-H, which 2ct7 is not.

As someone who doesn't have an understanding of chemistry, I'm always frustrated when I see these comments. What makes some syntheses so hard? Doesn't it just mean mixing more fluids, i.e. it just takes more time?

Esperighanto said this in the LSB thread:

Diethylamine is a pain in the ass to work with, butylamine is not.

What does he mean by that?

 

[Esperighanto]

As someone who doesn't have an understanding of chemistry, I'm always frustrated when I see these comments. What makes some syntheses so hard? Doesn't it just mean mixing more fluids, i.e. it just takes more time?

Esperighanto said this in the LSB thread:



What does he mean by that?

Often it means that the material is either dangerous to work with outside of a fume hood, for example using halogens would result in filing my lungs with bromine crystals without a proper and well functioning fume hood. Chemistry can be incredibly dangerous. I've had a couple lab incidents so far where glass exploded due to heat and both were pretty catastrophic, frankly.

Diethylamine is just carcinogenic or mutagenic iirc? I'm pretty sure it's on the medium list of things to be careful with.

Edit: He likely said that 2C-T-7 is tougher to whip up relative to non 2C-T's in general because sulphur can be dangerous to work with, ESPECIALLY in clandestine contexts.

 

[red22]

Is it still dangerous if you go slow and be careful?

 

[Leprechaun]

Is it still dangerous if you go slow and be careful?

If you decide to try it, 2c-t-7 should be used in the dosage range described in psychonaut wiki.

Additionally, 2c-t-7 more so than other substances interacts. It is likely an MAOI.

To reduce risks, 1. only dose orally. 2.do not redose during your experiment. 3. never mix with other drugs, especially not Serotonin releasers like MDA or MDMA.

Fatalities have resulted from not following the above considerations.

I haven't heard or read of any fatalities when used responsibly, orally, without mixing it with other drugs.

 

[GulpingBatteryLiquid]

Is it still dangerous if you go slow and be careful?

I'd imagine that anyone making 2C-X compounds is going pretty slowly and carefully in the first place. It's not like meth where a layman can bodge some together with household chemicals, you need to be pretty good at chemistry to even attempt this stuff.

 

[aag]

Good to see 2ct7 is still around. Hopefully we cross paths one day.

Idk if you can say that. I got my 2C-T-7 from a friend who synthesized it himself.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Oh I am just making reference to the old glory days of the old school PD crew... circa 2006. The community was very strong, lots of people, PD Social would move sometimes as much as 10 pages a day. Lots of people were tripping a lot, and discovering the world of RC psychedelics together. There was also a lot of DMT smoking, and a few attempted worldwide group blastoffs (with countdown ). A good friend of mine (met him here, now close friends IRL for many years), would get super excited and hypomanic and would say "DO YOU SMELL THE INDOLE IN THE AIR??"

A few people here might still remember those days. Not many of us left.

Bluelight in general used to have many times as much traffic, back in the glory days of traditional forums. There were so many intelligent and interesting people participating. Not that there aren't still, there definitely are. But things were definitely different and more vibrant back then. Traditional forums are dying out, we have managed to stay alive and interesting which I am thankful for. Google's search algorithm fucked us big-time, we used to be on the first page of search results for almost any drug-related question. Now no drug forums are, it's all reddit, quora, and paid advertisements for rehabs with canned and often inaccurate information.

But who uses Google anyway, only snobs, noobs and people during work.

Most disfunctional wrong choice search engine 99 %. And not only that it promotes itself.
'Google it !' common phrase. Why not ! give your private search in hand of a very discutable agglomerate of internet testikels.
So to speak.

So if you use google and Bluelight wasn t there, accept your a bit strung on a single search engine proven to be a enemy,
they are not honoust, so why should their results be? You where lured in in the beginning perhaps, like me.
When i set the languange of my engine on Uk / English Blue is first on the list, what about Google atm.

'but things are not the way they used to be'. Who uses Microsoft? Same mistake.
Time some re-evaluating your OS and Software [browser/ search engine] perhaps ?

Advise to anyone not allready having done

 

[red22]

Yes, "The Big & Dandy 2C-T-7 Thread" is a well-known discussion thread on the website Erowid, where users share experiences, information, and research related to the psychedelic compound 2C-T-7. It covers various topics, including dosage, effects, and safety. If you have specific questions about it or 2C-T-7 in general, feel free to ask! -ChatGPT