HofmannBlotter
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2C-I is great but kinda speedy imo while 2C-E feels "heavier". I'd rather get 2C-D or 2C-C for more mellow trips.
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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy 2C-I Thread - Take Two
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Never got a chance to try 2C-D, but as a big fan of 2C-E, 2C-D was always the "mellow" one that intrigued me. Unfortunate that they were never priced according to dose, just by weight, making 2C-D relatively expensive
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Tried this one today for the first time at 13 mg, and I really enjoyed it.
What a visual drug this is! I had strong OEVs, with some almost double-vision-esque effects during the peak (T+02:00). I can easily see this becoming almost disorientingly visual at higher doses. Visually, it reminds me of 2C-B the most. The geometry, enhanced visual acuity, drifting, and morphing are all very similar but 2C-I induces these effects at a much lower dose. One thing I noticed in particular was diffraction-like visual effects when I looked at my glass of water: rainbow-like reflections, recursion, and all sorts of interesting distortions. I think the visual intensity is what surprised me the most even though I went into the experience expecting it to be rather visual. I think this could be in the conversation of being THE most visual drug in terms of OEV's, especially compared to how weak the other psychedelic effects are. The CEV's were not nearly as strong and interesting to me during this trip.
Physically, it felt quite benign. I experienced no nausea, and the bodyload was transparent compared to other phenethylamines. Aphrodisiac qualities are out of the question, it's been some time since I did a good dose of 2C-B but I think 2C-B is more sensual whereas 2C-I just gives a good burst in sexual energy and stimulation. I think 2C-B is more erotic while 2C-I might be more animalistic from my preliminary findings but need to verify with a partner lol.
Mentally, it felt superficial and shallower than 2C-B, although I'd need to dose higher to see if that holds up. The experience wasn't particularly deep or spiritually enlightening , nor did it bring up much in the way of personal revelations. That said, I did reflect a little on myself and what I'm doing with my life, and it left me with a stronger sense of self-belief, gratitude, and contentment. It is an unusually euphoric compound, very happy, easy-going and I think the DEA nickname "Smiles" does it absolute justice.
Certainly not the last time I’ll reach for this one, and I can’t believe that I’m saying this, but maybe even in a social setting... I don't know, let's see how I'll feel about that once the 2C-I wears off completely (currently at T:05:30, and it's coming to an end).
What a visual drug this is! I had strong OEVs, with some almost double-vision-esque effects during the peak (T+02:00). I can easily see this becoming almost disorientingly visual at higher doses. Visually, it reminds me of 2C-B the most. The geometry, enhanced visual acuity, drifting, and morphing are all very similar but 2C-I induces these effects at a much lower dose. One thing I noticed in particular was diffraction-like visual effects when I looked at my glass of water: rainbow-like reflections, recursion, and all sorts of interesting distortions. I think the visual intensity is what surprised me the most even though I went into the experience expecting it to be rather visual. I think this could be in the conversation of being THE most visual drug in terms of OEV's, especially compared to how weak the other psychedelic effects are. The CEV's were not nearly as strong and interesting to me during this trip.
Physically, it felt quite benign. I experienced no nausea, and the bodyload was transparent compared to other phenethylamines. Aphrodisiac qualities are out of the question, it's been some time since I did a good dose of 2C-B but I think 2C-B is more sensual whereas 2C-I just gives a good burst in sexual energy and stimulation. I think 2C-B is more erotic while 2C-I might be more animalistic from my preliminary findings but need to verify with a partner lol.
Mentally, it felt superficial and shallower than 2C-B, although I'd need to dose higher to see if that holds up. The experience wasn't particularly deep or spiritually enlightening , nor did it bring up much in the way of personal revelations. That said, I did reflect a little on myself and what I'm doing with my life, and it left me with a stronger sense of self-belief, gratitude, and contentment. It is an unusually euphoric compound, very happy, easy-going and I think the DEA nickname "Smiles" does it absolute justice.
Certainly not the last time I’ll reach for this one, and I can’t believe that I’m saying this, but maybe even in a social setting... I don't know, let's see how I'll feel about that once the 2C-I wears off completely (currently at T:05:30, and it's coming to an end).
Didgital
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I would agree on pretty much all fronts. The only thing I would also add is that at least personally I find the closed eye visual content of 2C-I not only deeper but a bit darker than 2C-B. Not like dark colors, like darker contentwise. It's not a bad thing, I just find 2C-B to be bright and colorful and always positive and 2C-I the visuals can become a little scarier.Tried this one today for the first time at 13 mg, and I really enjoyed it.
What a visual drug this is! I had strong OEVs, with some almost double-vision-esque effects during the peak (T+02:00). I can easily see this becoming almost disorientingly visual at higher doses. Visually, it reminds me of 2C-B the most. The geometry, enhanced visual acuity, drifting, and morphing are all very similar but 2C-I induces these effects at a much lower dose. One thing I noticed in particular was diffraction-like visual effects when I looked at my glass of water: rainbow-like reflections, recursion, and all sorts of interesting distortions. I think the visual intensity is what surprised me the most even though I went into the experience expecting it to be rather visual. I think this could be in the conversation of being THE most visual drug in terms of OEV's, especially compared to how weak the other psychedelic effects are. The CEV's were not nearly as strong and interesting to me during this trip.
Physically, it felt quite benign. I experienced no nausea, and the bodyload was transparent compared to other phenethylamines. Aphrodisiac qualities are out of the question, it's been some time since I did a good dose of 2C-B but I think 2C-B is more sensual whereas 2C-I just gives a good burst in sexual energy and stimulation. I think 2C-B is more erotic while 2C-I might be more animalistic from my preliminary findings but need to verify with a partner lol.
Mentally, it felt superficial and shallower than 2C-B, although I'd need to dose higher to see if that holds up. The experience wasn't particularly deep or spiritually enlightening , nor did it bring up much in the way of personal revelations. That said, I did reflect a little on myself and what I'm doing with my life, and it left me with a stronger sense of self-belief, gratitude, and contentment. It is an unusually euphoric compound, very happy, easy-going and I think the DEA nickname "Smiles" does it absolute justice.
100% on the sexual animalistic nature of 2C-I. I feel like I can lose any sense of self concsciousness.
I'm glad you got minimal body load. I find 2C-I unbearably stimulating to just sit around at home relaxing.. I don't get nausea, but restless legs minor trembling which I would also call "body load".
But yeah an amazing substance I wish more people made it.
Awesome report! I've done a lot of 2C-I including numerous occasions in social settings. Pupil dilation is very pronounced with this one, and this may give it away if one is trying to be discreet.
I'm not sure I'd describe 2C-I as mentally shallower than 2C-B as I find 2C-B to be very shallow at least up to 24 mg HBr. 2C-I does maintain its lucid qualities up to 25 mg, the highest dose I've tried. By that point the visuals are insane with full scene meltdown open eye effects, but the body load starts to get pretty gnarly. I think 20 mg strikes a good balance for me.
I also find 2C-I quite stimulating. Physical activity like dancing can ease the discomfort, especially around the T+2 hours peak. I get significant somatic hallucinations from it as well as somatic-visual synaesthesia which dancing (or sex) can really help to bring out.
At around T+5 the experience switches gears, and if I've been very active, the stimulation is replaced by a heavy but still euphoric fatigue with milder visuals, all mostly fading by T+10 or so. Some residual effects are typical the next day along with a headache, but the mood stays up.
I would caution that while 2C-I is usually a very euphoric trip, it can amplify anxiety quite a lot, so it's best to plan carefully to avoid unpleasant surprises or situations with bad vibes. Set and setting still apply, even it is quite forgiving.
Worth mentioning is that I've twice combined 2C-I (at 15 mg) with small amounts of LSD and enjoyed the synergy a lot. I felt like the stimulation from each was complimentary to the other and kind of softened the hard edges.
I'm not sure I'd describe 2C-I as mentally shallower than 2C-B as I find 2C-B to be very shallow at least up to 24 mg HBr. 2C-I does maintain its lucid qualities up to 25 mg, the highest dose I've tried. By that point the visuals are insane with full scene meltdown open eye effects, but the body load starts to get pretty gnarly. I think 20 mg strikes a good balance for me.
I also find 2C-I quite stimulating. Physical activity like dancing can ease the discomfort, especially around the T+2 hours peak. I get significant somatic hallucinations from it as well as somatic-visual synaesthesia which dancing (or sex) can really help to bring out.
At around T+5 the experience switches gears, and if I've been very active, the stimulation is replaced by a heavy but still euphoric fatigue with milder visuals, all mostly fading by T+10 or so. Some residual effects are typical the next day along with a headache, but the mood stays up.
I would caution that while 2C-I is usually a very euphoric trip, it can amplify anxiety quite a lot, so it's best to plan carefully to avoid unpleasant surprises or situations with bad vibes. Set and setting still apply, even it is quite forgiving.
Worth mentioning is that I've twice combined 2C-I (at 15 mg) with small amounts of LSD and enjoyed the synergy a lot. I felt like the stimulation from each was complimentary to the other and kind of softened the hard edges.
Didgital
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I'm a huge fan of combining 2C-I with 2C-B with ratios being 1:2 typically. This way the stimulation is very reduced but the visuals take on a much more intense and different quality.
even 5mg of 2ci and 10mg of 2c-b is a full but not overwhelming trip for me.
even 5mg of 2ci and 10mg of 2c-b is a full but not overwhelming trip for me.
I'll definitely have to try that some day. If nothing else, it might help stretch the 2C-I supply to last a bit longer, assuming I can replace 2C-B more easily than 2C-I.
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That checks out for me. The experience dropped off significantly around the 6h mark, followed by a general feeling of happiness but also fatigue. Residual stimulation lingered for a few hours longer, so 10h total I‘d say.
It’s been a while since I’ve gotten a headache on any psychedelic, but this time it slowly developed over the course of the evening. Despite taking 400 mg ibuprofen before bed, it persisted throughout the night and into the next day. Caffeine usually helps, but not this time.
My girlfriend has not tried any psychedelic so far but voiced interest in trying 2C-I mostly because I made it sound like it was easy going, visual and euphoric. She is sensitive to stimulation though so I‘m not sure if 2C-I is the right choice for her, 2C-B seems more fitting to me albeit also being quite stimulating. What do you guys think?
I‘m open to try that, 2C-B went well with anything so far, except amphetamine. Maybe 2C-I + MDMA could also be nice.
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That sounds fascinating, I've mixed DOs with one another before (DOM & DOB, DOC & DOB, DOC & DOM), and 25X-NBXX's before but never 2C's, I will eventually have to give this 2:1 2C-I;2C-B mix a run.
Didgital
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Youve got (at least my) ratio wrong. It's 2:1 2C-B to 2C-I
I dunno. Does she have experience with any other drugs like cannabis, empathogens, or stimulants?
Really I think 2C-B is probably the best starter psychedelic for most people, and if things get rough, the trip is mercifully short. That said, I think 2C-I is a pretty good first-timer choice also. It is longer and is likely to have more stimulation. The visuals can be quite intense and can get creepy, like "shadows out of the periphery" type stuff. With good set and setting including adequate preparation, it should all be fine.
As far as nausea, it can happen with either one. My sense with 2C-B is that the come-up can be a bit sudden and overwhelming whereas with 2C-I one must endure milder discomfort for a longer period. Really they are both way less bad than mushrooms for myself and most people I know. There are always exceptions.
I also don't think fasting will necessarily help, especially if she is not used to that kind of thing. Definitely take it on a mostly empty stomach, but sometimes a small bit of food like a piece of buttered toast can help ease hunger pains and give the GI system something to chew on. I also recommend having food options available when taking 2C-I because it can really stimulate the appetite sometimes. Once on 20 mg each of 2C-I, a friend suddenly got really hungry, so we ordered pizza delivery. When it arrived, the cheese and toppings were morphing and mutating like some kind of alien blob. We laughed hysterically and then ate. I ate most of pizza. He ate all of his.
And likewise try without the anti-emetic first or else you won't know whether she needed one in the first place. Really, most people don't have much trouble with these. I'm actually one of the rare people who's gotten nausea on 2C-B, but it only happened the first few times. On 2C-I I've only had vague feelings of nausea, also only the first few times. The only person I know who puked on 2C-I also reliably pukes on everything including MDMA and acid, and she insisted puking was necessary to start her trips.
Probably so. I've taken 2C-I once each with methylone and MDA but only after the empathogen effects had largely faded. Both were very nice trips.
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The answer is of course a random dose of DOB from a partially evaporated ethanolic solution, duh.
While I have not made any statistics, subjectively it seemed that 2C-B would be less likely to cause trouble, and it's probably more easy going. But if she wants to go with the 2C-I, and with you as experienced sitter and tripper around, I can hardly see it going wrong. Maybe let herself choose. I did find 2C-I more jangly and longer than 2C-B but it seems like especially the former part is not universal. What a bummer, wanting to start with psychedelics and having to decide between compounds of the whole Psychestim stash, decisions, decisions... :D
I do admit I'm very biased towards 2C-B as I trust it so much and have a lot of experience with it, unlike 2C-I. I trust 2C-B so much I'd give my first-born child to it, at a parent-teacher conference, no less! (To any DEA agents reading, this is NO sarcasm and totally serious and should be considered in all possible scheduling discussions.)
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Didgital
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I would start with 2C-B personally. 2C-I is the next step imo.
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Yes, she has tried Cannabis many times, MDMA a handful of times (last time she took too much and the reason why she is hesitant to try new things), ketamine once (which she didn't like) and coke/amphetamine at parties. She is extremely sensitive to stimulants including caffeine eversince her last MDMA experience so that's why I suggested mushrooms because it's probably the least stimulating psychedelic I've tried.
A little bit of topic but I need to look into gender specific side effects on psychedelics. My female friends are generally more prone to somatic discomfort and nausea on psychedelics, and I would like to hear if anyone has noticed this as well. My ex gf was a psychedelic hard head but as little as 12mg made her lie down on the floor unable to move for 30 minutes until the nausea had passed.
The best mistake that has ever happened to me lol. Honestly it might be time for me to do DOB again soon, or DOI, now that I've tried its PEA counterpart.
I am less sensitive to stimulation than others it seems but even for me it was among the more stimulating psychedelics I've tried, maybe not 3C-P level, but up there. Would probably be a good candidate for a hike too. The Psychestim psychedelic stash does indeed make decisions a lot harder... A great problem to have
Anyway, thanks @iom , @Didgital and @xdrc for your comments
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I found this a most disappointing psychedelic. For me, its headspace was completely indistinguishable from sobriety; its effects were limited to visuals (which were admittedly impressive, reminiscent of LSD) and a slight bodyload. Combining it with cannabis made it much more interesting but even then, I struggled to find the cognitive psychedelic effects - I was just stoned, with visuals. Tried at various doses several times after having ordered, in retrospect, an unfortunately excessive amount of the drug.
Oh whoops, sorry about that. I've been up for a while, got about another 18 hours to go on a series of activities, chores, seeing a friend at a local ice cream joint soon, and tripping with Seven later, but he got a couple hours of sleep, I simply did not hahaha. A long day's fine every once in a while, the frequency of choosing not to sleep is decreasing, thankfully it's nowhere like when I was sleeping 3-4/7 nights in college.
I've guided an amount of experiences I will not actually directly state on the public internet anymore lol, but women and trans men are def more nausea prone, I just always keep some anti-emetics on hand. Promethazine and ondansetron are great fits.
I love this, with me being who I am I'd suggest somebody feel out an evapped vial by putting a single drop in a drink that's at least 300-500mL in volume. I used to draw marker marks at the 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 points on the bottle, and each time I hit one I would set a thirty minute alarm before I sipped down to the next mark I drew on there, until it's gone. If at any point you get effects, write down the time since dosing and how much of the drink's gone. Obviously the "mystery tincture" should not have any undissolved solids. I don't think this is necessarily bad advice to give on this forum, as there will inevitably be folks who are going to do this whether they're taught how to take it slow or not.
I bet you would find 2C-D absolutely non-threatening, based on my two recent experiences with it. Seven and I are both hardheaded but we found 25mg oral and then 25mg intranasal interesting, like a very low dose of DOM without the insane stimulation, and something more in common with mescaline, allylescaline, and 3C-P the only three 3,4,5-tristubstituted phenethylamines I've tried so far. I personally would probably push 2C-D up into the triple digits like many do, but at 25mg doses it's absolutely unique and fascinating in how it interacts with other things like memantine and cannabis. It also produces no tolerance that I could notice.
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2C-D is among my favourite materials and I have written some amount of text about it on this forum, even replying to your questions
While I wouldn't call 2C-D threatening, I do believe it is full enough of a psychedelic to induce complete ego loss in myself when dosed high enough (probably even within Shulgin's range). To not go too off-topic, other phenethylamines which give me this vibe would be: 2C-E, mescaline, 2C-I and TMA-2, perhaps a few others of the materials I tried.This was moreso of a joke, referring to a strong DOB experience of Psychestim:
This would be a great moment to talk up the advantages of carefully measured doses.
It's definitely a game-changer for those used to just taking whatever drugs are handed to them.I can't speak for her own experience and am wary of the fact that her sensitivity was seemingly triggered by that MDMA experience, but I've been hypersensitive to caffeine since I was a teenager. Even chocolate is too much sometimes, yet I like the stimulation I get from 2C-I, for special occasions.
Probably key will be managing whatever anxiety or other difficult emotions arise during the come-up. Nausea is often a manifestation of anxiety or "stuck" emotions. Deep slow breathing, surrendering to the sensations, etc. can go a long way. Encouraging physical activity like dancing can also help. Do you have any benzos around? Hopefully you won't need them, but just knowing they are available can be reassuring.
Good luck!
Leprechaun
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What is your dose and general experience with these combos?
Would be interested as I am looking at a DOB experience soon.
Leprechaun
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Each compound is different, and has its own merits, some are a good fit to certain people and some not.
I would be mindful not to try and compare the compounds and look to explore the space that your in.
The thing which I never understood is why people would take heroic doses of 2ct7 and 2cb to try and get to a DMT like altered state, trying to maximise the experience. That’s not what those compounds are for, if you want a maximum DMT like experience, just take DMT. The 2 carbon phenethylamines are far more graceful and gentle.