Mescaline synths have evolved far past Shulgin's work, but you're right, I'll keep it on synthesis related forums.
Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy 2C-I Thread - Take Two
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Didgital
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you're not wrong, and people have devised many creative ways, but surprisingly for mescaline, most* people are still following a modified version of shulgins route. They're just using different reducing systems and catalysts.
And thank you. I do love synthetic chemistry but BL simply isn't the place for it. I tend to cut the chatter sooner than later before it gets too detailed.
Thanks for these excellent reports!
I totally agree that one should plan on doing something with the stimulation. For me 2C-I was the first psychedelic I really developed a love for dancing on. When I was young and invincible, I'd take 2C-I and just go all out for a few hours, either at home or in an indoor club type setting. I did this a couple times on 20 mg, and the combo of 2C-I, intense exercise, and psytrance music gave intense euphoria and visuals.
Sex on 2C-I is also very excellent---much more raw and physical feeling than on 2C-B I think. Ann Shulgin described 2C-I as a "lusty compound" in the chapter on Aachen in PIHKAL. I'm almost inclined to suggest that whereas 2C-B has a strong feminine feel, 2C-I feels very masculine. It's a pretty crude metaphor though, and overall I think I like sex on 2C-I better.
Now I'm reading that you combined 2C-B and 2C-I, and I wonder if you may have discovered the secret formula for a sexual magnetism potion (lol). Seriously, the combo sounds very interesting and is not something I gave much thought to because of the mismatch in durations. Did taking 2C-B with your 2C-I help with getting to sleep sooner?
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If this is on the market, somebody will make and sell 25I-NB(OMe/OH) as acid any time now out of capitalistic greed, so be sure to test your blotters folks! 1g of 2C-I roughly converts into 2,5000 doses (2,500 tabs, or 25 full 10x10 sheets) of 500ug blotter, so there's a lot of gain in it for clandestine chemists who prioritize money over the safety and well-being of others. Just a heads up guys!
(Also that blotter is often lain to paper in dangerously irregular fashions to be careful, please. I love these compounds but they demand respect and will not hesitate to kill).
Didgital
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with the afterglow yes. I don't really feel 100% normal until I get actual sleep.
I highly doubt that many people are interested in doing that these days. 25i overall has such a bad rap. If anything, people might be more willing to synthesize rarer nboxxes.
Also theoretically, 1g of 2C-I could make 1.39g of 25i assuming 100% conversion. 1/307*427=1.39 so your math isn't too far off. It would be 1.5g if you made the HCL salt.
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I would say yes, but that's just me. Along with GHB, I find it the best sex enhancing drug I've ever taken. I really like it at sub psychedelic level (9mg approx?), more as an aphrodisiac.
As a psychedelic it's pretty unique as well. It's extremely visual and neon, and just as if not more tactile than 2C-B, while more focused cognitively. Its deeper and imo darker as well. It does not have the same inherent positive push that 2C-B has, and things can get really uncomftorable. I find high dose 2c-b to get pretty spacey and I've yet to experience that same effect of not being able to finish a thought or a sentence with 2C-I.
Granted, my highest dose with 2ci was 22mg. At 22mg 12 hrs later I remember attempting sleep. But when I closed my eyes, my CEVs were brighter than my vision with my eyes open. I think I fell asleep with my eyes open that morning.
I consider myself quite sensitive to most 2C's.
Btw that is much more pronounced with 2C-E. 2C-I is definitely more recreational, but I still find it to be holy. When I mention these long afterglows/durations, it's mainly more because I do not want to let the feeling go vs actual pharmacological drug effect. Eventually I can so stretched out with no sleep that things start to become tripping again. That's when I know I NEED to lay down.
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I think this is unreasonable, otherwise this would happen with 25B-NBx all the time from much more widespread 2C-B. Regardless, test your drugs folks.
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Yeah it's happening around me on the street rn bc some random fool 'casts the adequate spells' on 2C-B they acquired and it's dangerous especially to those who don't know about reagent testing due to the war on drugs. Always test your drugs guys! I know I sound like a tape on loop but as somebody who's taken 25C-NBOMe in an accidental high dose (as did two loved ones) thinking it was LSD, always test, please be safe, and please grow and heal as much as you can from these wonderful tools whether they're lysergamides, 25X-NBXX, whatever they are.yea that was his reply to my question
As always your wisdom is greatly appreciated! The exact yield would be around ~138±1% by Ralf Heim's OG paper iirc, but I was just going off the dome for a vague guess as to what would be added by molecular weight + conversion yields. The way that producers occasionally complex them with HPBCD (or move them as freebase) further complicates discussions like this, and I apologize for bringing up a topic with so many obvious snags, I am simply trying to echo the "test your blotters please!" sentiment on this harm reduction forum, if that makes sense.
Not to interrogate or ask for a peer reviewed source, but just out of genuine curiosity, is there a reason you suspect that the market would respond better to more niche 25X-NBXX's as opposed to fallling more towards the inevitable greed of capitalists who would be fine selling a canadian teenager a poorly dosed sheet of 25B-NBOH made out of DNM acquired precursors instead of exploring something accesible and neat like 25N-NB4OMe (just a random example I'm throwing out as a seemingly novel and unique N-benzylated phenethylamine).
Note: Didgital, you've got a lot of wisdom and experience in these circles, I apologize if anything I wrote is still slightly incoherent or sounds snarky/bitchy in any way at all, still tapering off the post-op medications so my articulation skills are returning slow but steady.
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I always jump right on it whenever one of my vendors has something novel in stock. You never know when you'll see these things again.
That's a yes btw. Get the 2C-I.
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Does it?
My knowledge is that 2c-i avarage dose is around 20mg, which would give 50 such doses from a gram, no?
You could be suggesting that the 2c-1i nmay be converted to some kinda nbome first though, dunno? I'm no chemist. I have recently heard however of someone trying to pass off some type of nbome as 2c-1, or am I confused here?
@Mr.Krinkle one of my kid's partners rates 2C-i as her favourite ever psychedelic. She hasn't had any for years now though due to it being seemingly impossible to find over here. She's not massively experienced with psyches either so there's that (she's had shrooms/lsd/2c-b though, could be more duno that's all I'm aware of), but she definitely rated the 2c-i
And before the bl morality police start moaning at me said 'kid's partner' is likely older than most people on bl, lol
Didgital
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Yeah thats more or less accurate.
All of the 2C-x compounds can be converted into a NBOxx relatively easily. So say you actually took 1g of 2C-I and converted it to 25i-NBOMe, you would get around 1.4g which is 1400x 1mg doses or 2800x 500mcg doses.
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Honestly in a strange way, it was a win for China when the USA scheduled 2C-I. Because China took their 2C-I stockpiles, and coverted them to the NBOMe derivatives, which are typically MUCH more potent. 1g of 2C-I is 50 doses. 1g of 25i-nbome is 1000 doses.
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Interesting. I have yet to try 2C-I, but have yet to attribute a feminine feel to any phenethylamine I have tried. Come to think about it, most compounds I assign to a neutral or masculine feel. Wonder what that says about me. I'd say cannabis may be a bit feminine. Maybe DMT and psilocin if I tried them more or the former as Ayahuasca. But it is hard to pinpoint exactly what is meant when assigning genders to the feels of compounds.
I also wonder which compounds weren't somewhat "lusty" for the Shulgins... I was about to say that these compounds only amplify what is already there (which is of course somewhat true), but then I remembered an occassion where a mere 13 mg of 2C-B while hiking in the nirgendsland made me so extremely horny seemingly out of nowhere I was about to consider taking the risk and 'relieving' myself. It would have been a great view too!
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It's been a long time since I did 2CI but from what I recall it was very similar to 2CB
2CE however felt a lot more serious. like I was in a big church or something, still very fun
2CE however felt a lot more serious. like I was in a big church or something, still very fun