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2C-I or 2C-E with nitrous oxide is one of the most euphoric and intense things I have felt.
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2C-I or 2C-E with nitrous oxide is one of the most euphoric and intense things I have felt.
cosmic charlie
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Ive yet to try that , im sure its pretty spectacular , LSD and N20 always is
had a nice trip off snorting 5 mgs last night , was mild but i wasnt looking for something real intense
gave me a nice mood boost and alot of energy
Ive yet to try that , im sure its pretty spectacular , LSD and N20 always is
had a nice trip off snorting 5 mgs last night , was mild but i wasnt looking for something real intense
gave me a nice mood boost and alot of energy
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After trying 2ce numerous times in the past 6 months I think I have somewhat of an understanding to it. tell me if you agree that its definately a very serious/dark psychedelic with no humor, but incredible visuals. 4-aco-dmt on the other hand was very silly, with little to no mindfuck. I recently dosed the same group of friends with 4-aco as I had with the 2ce the past 6 months. And everyone seemed to like the 4-aco more. Just my 2 cents.
cosmic charlie
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its not dark at all for me , im laughing and having fun the whole trip pretty much , the visuals are intense
sometimes i have a little bit of an uneasy time in the come up for 20 mins but thats just in higher doses
it is a very serious psychedelic but i enjoy that about it , i like tripping bawlz
sometimes i have a little bit of an uneasy time in the come up for 20 mins but thats just in higher doses
it is a very serious psychedelic but i enjoy that about it , i like tripping bawlz
psychicpsycho
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Honestly 2C-I and 2C-E was one of my favorite combos. Very synergistic especially in the visual department. It was a beautiful match and you could see them distinctively influencing you as well as merging.
Ideal for me was 20mg 2C-E and 40mg of 2C-I. Im a hard head so dont go thinking thats a good idea for most. Usually a strong +++ for me but I was used to it enough I could function even at low ++++ experiences.
Honestly 2C-I and 2C-E was one of my favorite combos. Very synergistic especially in the visual department. It was a beautiful match and you could see them distinctively influencing you as well as merging.
Ideal for me was 20mg 2C-E and 40mg of 2C-I. Im a hard head so dont go thinking thats a good idea for most. Usually a strong +++ for me but I was used to it enough I could function even at low ++++ experiences.
cosmic charlie
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Totally agree with you there delsymfan , its an awesome drug
I took 20 mgs at 12 in the afternoon and just took and other 20 mgs now
it been quite the ride so far
I took 20 mgs at 12 in the afternoon and just took and other 20 mgs now
it been quite the ride so far
MescalitoBandito
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I'd like to hear more about low-dose experiences. 16mg seemed like too much for me, with a mindfuck second only to extremely high-dose mescaline.
What's the lowest dose you've taken and what was the trip like at that dose?
Since I still have plenty left, I think I'm going to try around 3-5mg and work up from there. I think it has a lot of potential but for me 16mg was far too confusing to get anything out of the trip.
On a side note, has anyone combined 2ce and hydroxyzine (Vistaril)? It's an anxiolytic antihistamine, and I'm hoping it can reduce the bodyload (at least the nausea, as it's known to be a good antiemetic). At higher doses I'm hoping it might help me take the edge off unpleasant trips.
What's the lowest dose you've taken and what was the trip like at that dose?
Since I still have plenty left, I think I'm going to try around 3-5mg and work up from there. I think it has a lot of potential but for me 16mg was far too confusing to get anything out of the trip.
On a side note, has anyone combined 2ce and hydroxyzine (Vistaril)? It's an anxiolytic antihistamine, and I'm hoping it can reduce the bodyload (at least the nausea, as it's known to be a good antiemetic). At higher doses I'm hoping it might help me take the edge off unpleasant trips.
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i've had good results with 50mg diphenhydramine for reducing nausea without clouding the trip too much. fresh-grated ginger/lemon/honey tea is also a wonderful flavor experience that soothes the tummy (pretty much any tea will help; it's partly the teamaking ritual that grounds my body)
oral 2ce seems to have much more nausea than rectal 2ce for me
because of the long duration, i'm a big fan of lower doses (8-10mg oral or 4-5mg rectal) to allow functioning during the day if need be. at these doses the headspace is quite clear and most activities are easy and fun. movies on HBO are great, but commercials on tv are loud and obnoxious. the mild stimulation allows me to perform chores like cleaning or cooking without too much problem, yet i am still able to lay back and enjoy gentle CEVs.
at an even lower dose of ~1-2mg rectal, public activity and conversation are only slightly 'off', and i was able to participate in discussion in a literature class with little problem, just slight mood lift. maybe some attention span modification, but i can't say if it was improved or reduced. thoughts and ideas came easily to mind, but i had some difficulty arranging words in the proper order for sentence formation.
as others have stated, it also appears that bodyload/nausea can be reduced by dividing the dose into two parts (slowing the onset). so maybe try 5mg oral first, then at t+1 another 5-10mg.
edit: the low-dose experiences are alone by myself, at home for the most part, with comfortable things around me (warm shower, cat to pet, tea, etc). my higher-dose experiences (12mg, 15mg) were in a group-dose setting, which can really improve the mood lift if you are able to shoot the shit with your friends instead of silently exploring your own mindfuck. was your 16mg trip alone or with others dosing?
edit again: the best cure for nausea is to have a simple activity to take your mind off your stomach during the come-up. play a card game with friends (UNO is great, keep the rules simple for obvious reasons) or a multi-player video game. in our circle of friends, super smash brothers or mario kart are top choices, followed by dr mario or tetris. seriously, colorful blocks will help you trip ballz!
edit again again: also, if you have a significant other, try to convince them to play in the bedroom with you. 2ce provides amazing tactile stimulation even at the lower doses, and allows me to maintain an erection with multiple orgasms for hours on end. and each orgasm feels like my brain is exploding with fractal colors. if you don't have a SO, try exploring masturbation cuz it's pretty fun too
i've had good results with 50mg diphenhydramine for reducing nausea without clouding the trip too much. fresh-grated ginger/lemon/honey tea is also a wonderful flavor experience that soothes the tummy (pretty much any tea will help; it's partly the teamaking ritual that grounds my body)
oral 2ce seems to have much more nausea than rectal 2ce for me
because of the long duration, i'm a big fan of lower doses (8-10mg oral or 4-5mg rectal) to allow functioning during the day if need be. at these doses the headspace is quite clear and most activities are easy and fun. movies on HBO are great, but commercials on tv are loud and obnoxious. the mild stimulation allows me to perform chores like cleaning or cooking without too much problem, yet i am still able to lay back and enjoy gentle CEVs.
at an even lower dose of ~1-2mg rectal, public activity and conversation are only slightly 'off', and i was able to participate in discussion in a literature class with little problem, just slight mood lift. maybe some attention span modification, but i can't say if it was improved or reduced. thoughts and ideas came easily to mind, but i had some difficulty arranging words in the proper order for sentence formation.
as others have stated, it also appears that bodyload/nausea can be reduced by dividing the dose into two parts (slowing the onset). so maybe try 5mg oral first, then at t+1 another 5-10mg.
edit: the low-dose experiences are alone by myself, at home for the most part, with comfortable things around me (warm shower, cat to pet, tea, etc). my higher-dose experiences (12mg, 15mg) were in a group-dose setting, which can really improve the mood lift if you are able to shoot the shit with your friends instead of silently exploring your own mindfuck. was your 16mg trip alone or with others dosing?
edit again: the best cure for nausea is to have a simple activity to take your mind off your stomach during the come-up. play a card game with friends (UNO is great, keep the rules simple for obvious reasons) or a multi-player video game. in our circle of friends, super smash brothers or mario kart are top choices, followed by dr mario or tetris. seriously, colorful blocks will help you trip ballz!
edit again again: also, if you have a significant other, try to convince them to play in the bedroom with you. 2ce provides amazing tactile stimulation even at the lower doses, and allows me to maintain an erection with multiple orgasms for hours on end. and each orgasm feels like my brain is exploding with fractal colors. if you don't have a SO, try exploring masturbation cuz it's pretty fun too
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Vine of Sodom
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2c-e reminds me of LSD very much except the fact that it has no euphoria, and other small differences. But IMO very comparable to acid
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I find oral 2c-e to have an annoying electric buzzing feel, kind of like a nervous energy that makes it hard to focus and relax(and get comfortable). Possible to ignore when I'm doing something, but on the come down it practically makes me crazy(especially if Im trying to go to sleep).
Last night, I took some piracetam, phenibut, and snorted a decent amount of 2c-e. After the burning sensation in my nose went away I felt a constant strong euphoria. It was a great experience, getting high made it even more euphoric.
I would say that combination is a winner, particularly the phenibut, but somehow I also feel that snorting it has less of a body load(for me at least).
Last night, I took some piracetam, phenibut, and snorted a decent amount of 2c-e. After the burning sensation in my nose went away I felt a constant strong euphoria. It was a great experience, getting high made it even more euphoric.
I would say that combination is a winner, particularly the phenibut, but somehow I also feel that snorting it has less of a body load(for me at least).
love_sex_desire
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I just started my trials with 2C-E and started at 5 mg and 10 mg. From what I hear the dose-response curve doesn't go practically vertical until after 10 mg so both doses were somewhat comparable and extremely manageable. 10 mg was a little stronger, but not as much stronger as I expected. Both doses I noticed euphoria, a lot of laughter and noticeable visuals. Everything had a shine or glow to it and the room seemed to ripple in movement. No intense visuals, but both open and closed eye visuals were noticeable. Both 5 and 10 mg were fun museum level doses. I'd say if you are contemplating starting at 3-5 mg and working your way up, you should contemplate starting with at least 5 mg because even 10 mg was a low dose. I have a feeling this stuff starts to get really potent really fast once you push the dose past 15 mg, but between 5-10 mg there was not much difference for me.
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also, while everyone is different in metabolism and response, i must say that i personally noticed acute tolerance if trials were closer than one week apart. both visual effects and bodyload were significantly reduced for the same low dose if taken 2-3 days after the previous trial. also set/setting appears to play a big role here, including when during the day you choose to dose.
psychicpsycho
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Well since you guys are on the low end of the spectrum allow me to infer my take on the high end.
tripped 3 times recently on 2C-E
30mg oral- long come up and steady plateau with nice CEVs. very vivid imagery and a little spastic on my muscles the gi and body load were light. The end was fantastic. very introspective and thought evoking throughout as I was talking to many people. THe last few hours I turned on Neurosis- The Eye of Every Storm. The music is perfect for creating some wild imagery in your mind and put me on a wild ride through the inner space of my minds eye.
45mg oral- A little bit heavier body load and notable tolerance but still a very good ride. VIsuals were not the most intense. I went and laid on the couch in the living room with the lights off and just drifted away through time and space. Exploring the outer spheres of consciousness through the minds eye. I often feel like I can project myself into the world (like remote viewing) and I was watching a lot of my friends in distant places enjoy the evening (it was new years) then rocketing into space and drifting into a psychedelic sleep. Dreaming sweet madness in a half conscious yet fully asleep state. A wonderful way to end the evening.
30mg insufflated: Reached the peak of the experience within an hour and it was absolutely stunning. Visuals were intense and it was all I could do to just sit there and be for a few hours. An absolutely stunning experience filled with revelation and introspect Connecting me to deepest concerns and absolute faith in the divine. Only a slight bit of paranoia but a good relaxing experience overall. It was very much what I needed. the visuals and mental pictures painted were dazzling and mindblowing. This is truly where I was looking to go with the substance as it pushed me to the limits of perception without dissolving the ego and allowing me to project myself into the void. A highly thoughtful and deeply symbolic trip that brought me back to the roots of why I trip in the first place. It truly is a tool for the experienced but used properly it can leave you with some unbelievable memories amazing insights into your inner workings and supreme hope that you will learn and grow to become a better person from such an awe inspiring experience. Not the most intense experience ever by far but still enough to satisfy me to the point I wont need to trip again for at least 5 or 6 months so as to fully integrate the trip. I am just glad I have had all the experiences I have previously otherwise this trip would have been a lot more difficult. Not recommended for the faint of heart. This is one of those rides that can be very hard for the inexperienced to manage properly. The body load was intense but not uncomfortable. GI distress was a little bad towards the end.
Tread carefully people. Hopefully all of your experiences with this compound will be as rewarding as mine have been.
tripped 3 times recently on 2C-E
30mg oral- long come up and steady plateau with nice CEVs. very vivid imagery and a little spastic on my muscles the gi and body load were light. The end was fantastic. very introspective and thought evoking throughout as I was talking to many people. THe last few hours I turned on Neurosis- The Eye of Every Storm. The music is perfect for creating some wild imagery in your mind and put me on a wild ride through the inner space of my minds eye.
45mg oral- A little bit heavier body load and notable tolerance but still a very good ride. VIsuals were not the most intense. I went and laid on the couch in the living room with the lights off and just drifted away through time and space. Exploring the outer spheres of consciousness through the minds eye. I often feel like I can project myself into the world (like remote viewing) and I was watching a lot of my friends in distant places enjoy the evening (it was new years) then rocketing into space and drifting into a psychedelic sleep. Dreaming sweet madness in a half conscious yet fully asleep state. A wonderful way to end the evening.
30mg insufflated: Reached the peak of the experience within an hour and it was absolutely stunning. Visuals were intense and it was all I could do to just sit there and be for a few hours. An absolutely stunning experience filled with revelation and introspect Connecting me to deepest concerns and absolute faith in the divine. Only a slight bit of paranoia but a good relaxing experience overall. It was very much what I needed. the visuals and mental pictures painted were dazzling and mindblowing. This is truly where I was looking to go with the substance as it pushed me to the limits of perception without dissolving the ego and allowing me to project myself into the void. A highly thoughtful and deeply symbolic trip that brought me back to the roots of why I trip in the first place. It truly is a tool for the experienced but used properly it can leave you with some unbelievable memories amazing insights into your inner workings and supreme hope that you will learn and grow to become a better person from such an awe inspiring experience. Not the most intense experience ever by far but still enough to satisfy me to the point I wont need to trip again for at least 5 or 6 months so as to fully integrate the trip. I am just glad I have had all the experiences I have previously otherwise this trip would have been a lot more difficult. Not recommended for the faint of heart. This is one of those rides that can be very hard for the inexperienced to manage properly. The body load was intense but not uncomfortable. GI distress was a little bad towards the end.
Tread carefully people. Hopefully all of your experiences with this compound will be as rewarding as mine have been.
MescalitoBandito
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Thanks for the advice, greenmeanies. My 16mg trip was alone, although I started off smoking weed with a friend. I've gotten some friends to try 2ci, but they're all pretty wary of 2ce. Unfortunately I have yet to find a SO that enjoys psychedelics as I do, but I love doing things like taking a shower or going swimming when I'm tripping balls (also taking a shower at the end of a long, sweaty trip feels incredible).
I think this time I'm going to try ~3mg insufflated, simply because I can't afford to be tripping for 12 hours tonight. Hopefully it won't drastically increase the bodyload. I've never actually had problems with nausea when taking phenethylamines, except for full spectrum cactus extracts (which may have been more due to the plant material than the chemicals). My problem has been a certain kind of muscular stimulation, which feels almost like currents of electricity flowing through my muscles and joints. It's hard to describe the feeling, the best I can come up with is uncomfortable peripheral stimulation. It's pretty uncomfortable, but I had a long, productive workout today which will hopefully help me deal with any excess energy.
I prefer tripping in group settings, but it can't always be done. I also can't in good conscience encourage my friends to try a drug unless I've had a good time on it myself. Hopefully I'll be able to find my sweet spot.
On a side note, just in case anyone's jumping in at this point, 30mg is an extremely high dose for most people. I regretted starting as high as 16mg. Psychicpsycho, I'm a little jealous of your ability to tolerate crazy doses...More power to you, but no first timers should try anything near that much until they're experienced and have worked their way up carefully.
I think this time I'm going to try ~3mg insufflated, simply because I can't afford to be tripping for 12 hours tonight. Hopefully it won't drastically increase the bodyload. I've never actually had problems with nausea when taking phenethylamines, except for full spectrum cactus extracts (which may have been more due to the plant material than the chemicals). My problem has been a certain kind of muscular stimulation, which feels almost like currents of electricity flowing through my muscles and joints. It's hard to describe the feeling, the best I can come up with is uncomfortable peripheral stimulation. It's pretty uncomfortable, but I had a long, productive workout today which will hopefully help me deal with any excess energy.
I prefer tripping in group settings, but it can't always be done. I also can't in good conscience encourage my friends to try a drug unless I've had a good time on it myself. Hopefully I'll be able to find my sweet spot.
On a side note, just in case anyone's jumping in at this point, 30mg is an extremely high dose for most people. I regretted starting as high as 16mg. Psychicpsycho, I'm a little jealous of your ability to tolerate crazy doses...More power to you, but no first timers should try anything near that much until they're experienced and have worked their way up carefully.
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the muscle tension is indeed the most annoying side effect i've noticed of 2c-e. this is why i think it is well-suited for physical activities like sex, working out, and showers. the body high improves immensely when you activate those muscles that are aching to be used. just be sure to have enough water on hand
psychicpsycho
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youll notice ive made sure to slap warning labels on most of my posts. Ive got built in tolerances for nearly everything. and honestly its nothing to be jealous about. Just means I have to use more material to achieve equal effects that most others achieve on less. There are many points where I push well beyond what most people can handle but I have tripped hundreds of times and after years of experience I can handle the intensity (or at least know how to let go and let the trip take me where I need to go).
You will never see me recommending my doses to anyone I try to make it very clear that I am an abnormality and most peoples minds couldnt handle (or if they could it would be a lot more than they bargained for) what im doing. I just hope that through my writings and experience some people can understand a side of psychedelics that they might not be able to reach or tolerate. Only do what is comfortable to you. Even I have pushed too far and payed dearly for it. Its all about finding what is best for you not how far you can push it. Sooner or later it might push back and when it does it can be truly maddening. With these substances its always best to remember that you are not in control you are just along for the ride.
You will never see me recommending my doses to anyone I try to make it very clear that I am an abnormality and most peoples minds couldnt handle (or if they could it would be a lot more than they bargained for) what im doing. I just hope that through my writings and experience some people can understand a side of psychedelics that they might not be able to reach or tolerate. Only do what is comfortable to you. Even I have pushed too far and payed dearly for it. Its all about finding what is best for you not how far you can push it. Sooner or later it might push back and when it does it can be truly maddening. With these substances its always best to remember that you are not in control you are just along for the ride.
MescalitoBandito
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Yeah, I can understand that. I'm the same way with LSD, for some reason I have to take at least three times more than my friends to get the same effects, which is why I've become partial to phenethylamines. I know you weren't recommending it to anyone; I just think those kind of warnings can't be overstated. Just out of curiosity, do you find yourself more sensitive to tryptamine-based psychedelics, or do you take large doses of those as well?
I'm about to try 3mg insufflated. I'll let everyone know how it goes...
I'm about to try 3mg insufflated. I'll let everyone know how it goes...
psychicpsycho
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no im pretty insensitive all around. Usually ill eat 7g+ of shrooms for a decent trip and as far as the RC versions I like them and their intensity but im still taking ludicrous amounts by most standards to achieve the desired high end trips. Honestly it doesnt even end with psychedelics . Im very tolerant to any form of drug even alcohol. In fact im almost completely immune to painkillers. Which is a major pain in the ass. No matter how much pain im in ive pretty much got no saving grace. Every filling ive got in my head ive had to take raw.
Im sure someone out there would take it as im bragging about my doses or something but rest assured its a double edged sword.
Im sure someone out there would take it as im bragging about my doses or something but rest assured its a double edged sword.
Just to add to this, dropped 2c-e with 15 other people on new years day at about 3am and it was up there in the incredibly fun stakes with acid.
It's lovely when people don't have to go crossing that horrible speech barrier acid places upon you, so I noticed a lot more avid discussion and holding of general thought patterns. As far as getting to the actual point you were trying to make though...
Let's just say ezekial the orange salamandar didn't make it any easier on us.
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