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The Big & Dandy 2C-E Thread (Second Edition)

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teh1buck said:
So my best friend and I will each be mixing 2c-e with MDMA. I did ~25mg by itself for the first time this weekend and had a great time. Dosage wise, I'm thinking we should stay in the 15-20mg range for 2c-e and two high-quality pressed rolls each (probably yellow playboys going around dallas, which are supposed to be pretty bomb. If they're anything like the playboys I've had before, that looked very similar to aliens, then I know they're legit). I think the two would mix perfectly for a night of raving at big dubstep (Bare & Dieselboy) show. We'll be at a club in downtown Dallas, a club we've been to many times before, so the setting itself won't be anything new to us.

My biggest concern is the timing of the two. The club opens at 9PM, and I don't expect the headliners to go until probably like 11 at the earliest. I would really like to dose the 2c-e in water. When I did so this weekend on a completely empty stomach, I started seeing surfaces move if I concentrated at almost exactly 30 minutes after dosing. The trip wasn't into full effect until about 1.5 hours after the initial dose. The peak lasted for about 3-4 hours before starting to decline.

I was thinking we should dose the 2c-e in water around 9PM (If we dissolved it in water, it'd have to be before we enter the club), maybe slightly later. We plan on getting to the club sometime between 9-10. This would give us time for the 2c-e to kick in and for us to get acclimated to the club scene while on 2c-e since neither of us have ever done a psychedelic of this magnitude at a rave. If we dosed at 9PM, it should be in full effect no later than 11. I had an idea to drop the MDMA pills around 10-10:30PM once we're inside the club, around the time the 2c-e would really be getting into full swing. Like I mentioned, I believe this would allow us to experience and get acclimated to the 2c-e, and then once that's in decent effect, the rolls would kick in and the peaks would be simultaneous. The two would probably start to decline around the same time also.

Does this sound good? Any suggestions or insight?


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Sounds like a pretty intense combo at those dosages but that may just be me :)

What sounds, to me, like the best option would be to take 14mg 2C-E, then at T+3:00-4:00 pop your pills. This will not only give you time to decide whether or not you even need the E but also align the experiences so you're not coming down from the E while still tripping.

I also find tactile and auditory stimulation from 2C-E to be more prevalent during the decline and I'd imagine MDMA at that point would feel pretty special. This is all speculation, of course, on my end as I haven't done this combo. Just relaying my thoughts on it.

Hope you have a great time and stay safe :)
 
Thanks, that does sound like a wise choice. 2c-e itself almost felt like rolling, tactile senses were already increasingly sharpened and everything felt great. The combination of the MDMA close to the end of the peak/comedown from the 2c-e would be amazing. Awesome idea. :)

and not to mention, we'll have a decent amount of high quality herb + nitrous for when we get back to our hotel
 
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I still think 18 is a better choice than 14 for you, though. you took 25 your first time and loved it - I don't think you'll have a problem with handling 18 in the mix.
 
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I still think 18 is a better choice than 14 for you, though. you took 25 your first time and loved it - I don't think you'll have a problem with handling 18 in the mix.
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I agree, that's why I initially mentioned 15-20mg. Haven't really decided yet. Honestly, I see absolutely no reason why the trip/experience would go badly. Everything has always been perfect when we've gone to this particular place, and we're both definitely in the right mindset heading into it. 18mg + 150-200mg of MDMA should be perfect. Like the "just right" dose. We'd get the full effects of the 2c-e + the synergetic characteristics from the rolls, but we won't be so fucked up we can't talk to anyone/do something productive. I plan on tryin to meet some girls and pull some ass too, so I guess we'll see what my talking ability is like on 2c-e lol.
 
Do you guys mix this with anything? I want to tell everyone that if you combine it with Selegiline you will probably fall asleep.
 
I've mixed with M1 and thought the synergy was fantastic. I have no doubt that (for me) it would mix amazingly with MDMA.

I've also mixed with LSD for the most visually intense non-DMT trip I've ever had.

Definitely plan to do more mixes soon.
 
whats a good dose to snort from 2ce without tripping too hard? I know its go big or go home but i want to get a feel for it.

I have done 2ci and lsd fyi
 
Why snort? Snorting always gives a higher intensity and shorter duration. So if you are worrying about tripping too hard, just go for oral administration. 10-12 mg should be nice imo, but it would help if you list the dosages of 2C-I and LSD you normally take. :)

Definitely plan to do more mixes soon.
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2C-I + 2C-E is definitely worth a try mate!
 
2ci- a total of 3 times all around 20mg.

lsd- one time i took 2 n a half hits, blotter paper.
 
20 mg orally I presume, or did you snort the 2C-I as well?
Based on the 20 mg 2C-I, I guess you could start with 12-14 mg of 2C-E.
Big chance it's still intense, but there's not really a middle road with 2C-E as far as my experience goes...
 
I took them orally 2ci to me is not very visual more stimulating then anything, especially when compared to lsd. 2ce on the other hand is like lsd of the 2c family one can say from the reading I have done, and snorting it I heard works more effectively then 2ci which is why I wanted to give it a try.
 
Would dosing a decent amount of 2c-e in liquid and then possibly boosting with a few mg nasally a few hours later be efficient? Or would there not be much of a change other than in the duration?
 
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Get that idea out of your head :) That kind of mentality will land you in some trouble later on down the road, trust me. There's no peer pressure here! I'm perfectly comfortable saying that I enjoy the moderate-low doses of 2C-E to higher.
 
2C-E is still extremely psychedelic on it's own at doses of 12-16 mgs. Above 16 mgs you're getting into walls COVERED in morphing full on rainbow fractal laser beams and increase body load and 12 hour duration....12 to 16 mgs of 2C-E is just a nice enjoyable albeit intense psychedelic 8-10 hours.

18-22 mgs is where you really start getting into full on "tripping-balls" territory, in my expereince that is....more than 22 mgs for me is INSANE, too much for confort. After 20-22 mgs it's not enjoyable so much as just a test of endurance.
 
^ Are higher doses desirable for introspective thought? I've been dosing it at low doses, from 2mg-5mg and its very powerful, it works very well but I would rather see if I could do one 'big' one and then never need to change myself more. I feel like I'm touching the tip of the iceberg, but not sure if a higher dose will help or just be more powerful feeling, but not more useful.
 
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^ Are higher doses desirable for introspective thought? I've been dosing it at low doses, from 2mg-5mg and its very powerful, it works very well but I would rather see if I could do one 'big' one and then never need to change myself more. I feel like I'm touching the tip of the iceberg, but not sure if a higher dose will help or just be more powerful feeling, but not more useful.
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I'd say that there's going to be a dosage for everyone where the experience becomes too intense for serious introspection. I'd imagine it'll be different for everyone so titrate up in dose slowly and methodically for a more rewarding discovery of your butter-zone. So far, introspectively, my sweet spot is about 14mg. It was a very nice thoughtful trip for me on par with some of my lower-dose LSD trips.

But I will say, however, that even my 17.5mg experience with this stuff (which proved to be quite intense) left my thinking (and even fine motor skills, surprisingly) still quite unhindered. I never got foggy-headed or confused like I sometime do with tryptamines however I do realize I was on the lower end of high in terms of dose.
 
Yeah 2C-E is very clear headed, even at overwhelming doses. However, there is a point when twitching muscles and general body discomfort will get in the way of that wonderful train of thought you are trying to have.

When i first started taking research chemical psychedelics, I used to always take large doses. Even at the advice of my more experience buddy whom I would frequently trip with, I would take big doses. I just thought all the fireworks were awesome.

But since those days, I've come to realize that "medium" dose trips are often much more enjoyable and pleasant. They kind of "optimize" psychedelic effects versus unwanted somatic effects.

even with gentler compounds like 4-aco-dmt, and 2C-D, dosing too high can cause a period of several hours where you're just sitting there like "wow...lots of colors, lots of visuals, lots of interesting body sensations", to the point where you don't get any intuitive leaps in there, just a whole shitload of "WOW THIS IS CRAZY !!!!".

I feel like since I've stoped using such high doses as frequently as I used to, I can actually get to a full on +++ from smaller amounts of material (not talking about any drug in particular here). I think it's kind of a psychic sensitization that has happened to me. Now that I am familiar with these drugs a bit and the things they do to my psyche, I tend to have MORE respect for them, and am MORE aware of what I might potentially be putting myself through. So I don't really see the need to dose like I used to.
 
hahahah whoa that's a lot of drugs to mix together...

LSD MDMA and ketamine alone is a like the holy trinity of feeling AWESOME, I would be hard pressed to add more drugs to it incase I ruined the beautiful kitty-candy-flip.
 
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