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The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)

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^^ Swilow: Ah, OK, that makes sense, I figured you meant something along the lines of breaking through with DMT; it sounds like something I may have to try eventually!

Psychonautical: Whenever I'm on psychedelics and I have a cigarette, it seems to be more toxic for me and I start thinking about how bad the habit is. I don't want to quit though, so the thoughts never go farther then that.
 
Mr Blonde said:
Psychonautical: Whenever I'm on psychedelics and I have a cigarette, it seems to be more toxic for me and I start thinking about how bad the habit is. I don't want to quit though, so the thoughts never go farther then that.
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I've had the same exact experience with drinking beer on a number of psychedelics... and in a similiar fashion, I ignore the thought and continue to drink because I don't want to quit.

Anyways, Im curious to exactly what you all mean when you speak of a "breakthrough" outside of a full blown DMT experience.

EDIT: nevermind, I just read about three posts up and had my question answered... sorry.
 
2C-E and Beth state

I just discover the definition of the beth state in pihkal :

It is a state of uncaring, of anhe-donia, and of emotionlessness.
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source

I'm glad I've seen this because, I thought that this state of mind was some kind of "abnormality" that shouldn't happen when someone is tripping.

I'm under the impression that a lot of people at BL love 2C-E, rate it near LSD, etc. But in my experiences, 2C-E makes me feel extremely neutral, and other peoples I know have experienced the same thing from this molecule.

I do have a lot of visuals but no interesting mental connections, strong emotions or spiritual revelations. I didn't see the usefulness of the state induced by 2C-E. At 24mg, this neutralness was pretty perturbing, to the point that I was asking myself why do I take psychedelics.

I did have a nice experience with 2C-E at 14mg with alcohol, with a lot of philosophical thoughts. Maybe this state of mind comes and go worsening with higher doses like 16>24mg ?

I've experienced a lot of other psychedelics but it seems that I get this especially from 2C-E.

So my question is, is there other peoples feeling this beth state from (high dose of) 2C-E ?
 
i would say that i've experienced the beth state - though perhaps not entirely, because i still had personal motives and preferences.

this neutralness was pretty perturbing, to the point that I was asking myself why do I take psychedelics.
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2c-e makes me question a lot of things ;D (and always makes me want to clean up my life).
i like the state you're talking about, in short durations, because it gives me a chance to analyze myself and my life without a bias - diluting my 'ego' in a way; allowing me to be true to myself. i really like 2c-e as a tool for personal growth; it's helped me immensely.

i was super fortunate to have quite a bit of 2c-e at my disposal earlier this year, and did quite a bit of experimenting and thinking.
i found that i really had to feed the trip its emotional tone. it didn't give me anything (amazing visuals aside), but it could amplify what i gave it. i was in a period of fuckin' awesome search & growth, so i spent most of the time reveling in psychedelic bliss.
however, i found it could be pretty unnerving if i wasn't really going into the trip with the best state of mind - or without respect, i guess. the 'neutralness' was very cold any time i went to 2c-e looking for easy happiness.
 
Two nights ago I tried 2c-e for the first time. I took 15 mg and I was having some nice visuals but there wasn't much euphoria so 2.5 hours into it I took 2 E pills (one orange and one red buddha...so pretty clean pills). The E hit strong after an hour and made the visuals way more intense. I laid on the roof listening to my friend play acoustic guitar while his g/f sang...it was pure magic. The best part about the combination was that the 2c-e made the comedown from the E completely unnoticeable. It was 2C-Ecstasy...
 
I dosed 10 initially, without feeling anything. I then dosed 14, and didn't feel anything, but I definately had movement in my visual field for about 30 minutes. Then I dosed 18, and had a very uncomfortable 7 hour trip...

edit: I've done acid and mushrooms a lot. Not at heroic doses like some of the guys here, but I've done plenty of 200mic trips on acid (largest being about 250) and plenty of 3 - 5g mushroom trips. 2c-e and 2c-t-7 have reminded me just how inexperienced I am with heavy tripping.
 
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I've heard a lot of great things about 2c-e. It's very 'deep' and 'emotional', a true psychedelic experience, but I have a question. What is doet like? It's the substituted amphetamine form of 2c-e, which leads me to believe doet would be a worthwhile chemical to try out.
 
A source that of course i cant name has started labelling batches with "not tested for toxicological or biological processes"... last time it only said "not for human consumption"... does this mean anything? Or is this just a way to keep the source's ass out of hot water?

the whole... "may be poisonous if ingested" is kinda intimidating. Anyone who knows what im talking about, does this mean that the source used to test for safety reasons, and doesnt anymore? they have fucked up a few batches in the past, sent people t2 instead of 2ce/i and such... I am not stranger to the fact that a research chemical is more dangerous than most street drugs simply becuz dosing is your problem, not the supplier's, and becuz 2c-e isnt exactly well-researched (however we can assume it has at least some margin of safety since ive never heard of any 2ce deaths, altho other 2c-x chems have caused death, usually by insufflation...this is not in my agenda)

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No, I've seen people lose it with 10mg - 20mg is more than most people would be happy with; first go, 12.5mg sounds about right
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I've seen someone take 5mg and get some crazy visuals and a pretty strong body load, also some strong stimulation. I personally wouldnt go above 20, and the way i see it, even tho im comparing a tryp to a phen, i would say 10mg is about the same as 100-150ug of lsd in terms of equivalence.

I say this because a 20mg trip is very similar to a higher dose 300ug-ish trip for me
 
^^ I just think they label the whole "not for human consumption" so people don't take it :P because research chemicals are still in research phase the actual long term toxicological effects aren't known, or at least thats what I'm thinking. And why would the source make a toxic product, then how are they going to get more buyers :P
 
I feel like I'm in the minority- that I didn't find 2ce particularly deep, visual or intense. And I did it a couple dozen times, usually 20-30 mg (though one night I did nearly 100 mg). And tried 2CE from 4 difference sources, 2 of which were research chemical suppliers so it isn't that I got weak stuff. Sure, 2ce was a lot of fun but it rarely gave me a deep spiritual feeling and my tolerance rised to it extremely fast. It seemed like mostly just a hedonistic happy go lucky drug. Great to watch movies or go to an amusement park. I've definitely gotten deeper spiritual trips from stuff like HBW and blotter... Anyone else find 2ce shallow and tolerance to build really fast?
 
Sort-of-but-not-as-much-as-the-others-in-the-family, and no.
 
2c-e is anything but shallow.

In fact when it comes to research chemicals it is one of the few, IMO, that can actually provide a deep, life changing and meaningful trip.

I mean, any drug can do that, but 2c-e will do it so that you remember.

2c-e is similar to large doses of LSD IMO, and must be taken very seriously.

I dont even really get any anxiety on the drug, its just its raw power that keeps me from abusing it like i have with 2cb, 2ci and 2cd

then again every one reacts to these drugs differently. i havent used 2c-e in like 2-3 years because my last trip was so strong, bordering on too strong.

YMMV

love +lite
<3
 
Delsyd said:
2c-e is anything but shallow.

In fact when it comes to research chemicals it is one of the few, IMO, that can actually provide a deep, life changing and meaningful trip.

I mean, any drug can do that, but 2c-e will do it so that you remember.

2c-e is similar to large doses of LSD IMO, and must be taken very seriously.
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I wholeheartedly agree- see <3. 2C-E is a True Psychedelic, if you'll allow me the elitism of making such judgements as well as that annoying capitalisation there- anyhow, to me 2C-E is SERIOUS BIZNESS. Other "rc's" can be kinda play things (obviously not all) but 2C-E feels like a real trip. I can take small doses of many other chemicals and feel good, enjoy it- not with 2C-E. Its duration plays a part I'm sure.

I defintely find it VERY similar to LSD; more similar to LSD then to mescaline or 2C-I for example. I wonder if 2C-E has similar binding profiles as LSD....?
 
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