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The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)

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A Couple Basic 2C-E Questions

I am going to a show for a DnB/rock group on my birthday at a venue in downtown Los Angeles.

RC's are as rare as a $1 Mexican hooker without an STD in my area, but I magically found a gelcap with 15mg 2C-E in it.

I'm on an SNRI (150mg Effexor XR qd), so I want to take a slightly higher than normal dose to get normal effects. This will require the insufflation of the drug, since Erowid lists 15mg orally as a "normal" dose.
  • Does snorting 2C-E really hurt that bad? If so, could it be counteracted by sniffing a little bit of ____caine first?
  • I have read that insufflation makes the onset much quicker and the duration about half as long, is this true?
  • I plan on putting a slip of paper in my wallet saying "I took __mg 2C-E", if I OD will a hospital know what 2C-E is and how to help an OD?
  • How does 2C-E compare to a candyflip?
 
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Here is the current Big and Dandy 2C-E Thread: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=376118

You can find all the Big and Dandy threads (and then some) in Essential Reading: The Best of PD which is stickied at the top of the main page of PD: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=141741

From what I've read, insufflation of 2C-E does make for a quicker onset and a shorter duration. I've only ever dosed it orally though, so you might wanna search the B&D thread just to make sure I'm not full of shit.;)

I would say 2C-E has little in common with a candyflip since the former doesn't have a similar euphoric push. I think most who have done it would say that the headspace is decidedly "neutral" in mood. I'd compare it to higher doses of LSD but without the manic, "on edge" feeling. In fact my experiences have always been pervaded by a deep calm, neither euphoric nor nightmarish in mood, even in the face of my entire reality being blown violently to bits before my eyes.

Also, I doubt the folks in the ER would have any idea what 2C-E is.

Oh and I'd try to avoid dropping band names, venues, etc. in connection with this sort of thing. For your own safety and that of everyone else who's gonna be there.
 
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Does snorting 2C-E really hurt that bad? If so, could it be counteracted by sniffing a little bit of ____caine first?
I have read that insufflation makes the onset much quicker and the duration about half as long, is this true?
I plan on putting a slip of paper in my wallet saying "I took __mg 2C-E", if I OD will a hospital know what 2C-E is and how to help an OD?
How does 2C-E compare to a candyflip?
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1) I snorted 2C-E once, but I didn't like it as much as I liked orally dosing. It hurt, but not as bad as some others on here have posted about. Using a -caine first may help with the pain, I know a guy who mixed the 2C-E in with a little coke to help with the pain when he was snorting 30mg.

2) Yes that is true, it comes on much quicker and also starts to comedown quicker, probably why I dislike snorting; I like a decent length come-up and I like to be intense tripping for as long as possible.

3) I doubt they would know; although there hasn't been a lot of research into it, my guess would be you would be fine. People have used 2C-E in massive amounts and there have been no deaths so far, but if your going to leave a little note then I'd mention it's a phenethylamine and it may have affected your blood pressue or body temperature. Look through the B&D thread and see if you can find any examples of adverse physiological reactions that may help the folk at the hospital.

4) It's nothing like a candyflip. I usually dose 20mg of 2C-E orally, it's very intense and leaves me shivering on the floor as my brain is cleansed by the psychedelic goodness. I don't find it a social drug at all, and the bodyload can be a bit uncomfortable. I should point out that on wikipedia it mentions that those few who don't get the uncomfortable body load often get an MDMA like tactile sensation, so cross your fingers. :D
 
There is, for me at least, a massive difference in potency with nasal versus oral.

25mg is the highest I've gone orally, and that had virtually no effect beyond some mild stimulation and visual enhancement (and I know my material is good; others experienced intense trips off 20 mg).

6mg insufflated, on the other hand, produced a mild but respectable +2 experience.

Incidentally, I note you are on an SNRI, and I attribute my high tolerance to all psychedelics to the fact that I was on SSRIs for over a decade before discontinuing them two years ago. Interestingly, it appears that this tolerance is largely specific to oral administration; with the few experiences I've had with insufflated and smoked compounds, it seems that more standard doses do the trick. My very limited understanding of how SSRIs (not sure about SNRIs) produce psychedelic tolerance via receptor downregulation means that the route of ingestion shouldn't make a difference, relatively speaking, so I'm not sure what's going on, but thought it was worth mentioning.

Bottom line: most people with normal tolerance would be utterly overwhelmed by 15mg insufflated 2C-E and certainly not capable of negotiating any sort of public venue; you're talking about a shattering, potentially life-changing (in a good or a bad way) experience.

If you have high SNRI-induced tolerance, maybe 15mg would be manageable, but I personally would not want to test this out.

If you really want to trip, I'd snort half the capsule. I suppose you could snort a small supplement (say, 2mg - the dose response curve is very steep on this one) after an hour if it's not working. Also, I wouldn't snort at the venue; I'd do it before, as the 15 minute come up is very intense, even at just 6mg. You'll want to be in a safe, controlled environment until that's passed. My 6mg experience lasted around 5-6 hours, so you should still have plenty of time to get to the show.
 
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its a year ago next month that i first dosed this stuff (its the only time).
about 15mg
2ce is amazing, never stick any up your ass and then go to disney quest though.
 
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There is, for me at least, a massive difference in potency with nasal versus oral.

25mg is the highest I've gone orally, and that had virtually no effect beyond some mild stimulation and visual enhancement (and I know my material is good; others experienced intense trips off 20 mg).

6mg insufflated, on the other hand, produced a mild but respectable +2 experience.

Incidentally, I note you are on an SNRI, and I attribute my high tolerance to all psychedelics to the fact that I was on SSRIs for over a decade before discontinuing them two years ago. Interestingly, it appears that this tolerance is largely specific to oral administration; with the few experiences I've had with insufflated and smoked compounds, it seems that more standard doses do the trick. My very limited understanding of how SSRIs (not sure about SNRIs) produce psychedelic tolerance via receptor downregulation means that the route of ingestion shouldn't make a difference, relatively speaking, so I'm not sure what's going on, but thought it was worth mentioning.

Bottom line: most people with normal tolerance would be utterly overwhelmed by 15mg insufflated 2C-E and certainly not capable of negotiating any sort of public venue; you're talking about a shattering, potentially life-changing (in a good or a bad way) experience.

If you have high SNRI-induced tolerance, maybe 15mg would be manageable, but I personally would not want to test this out.

If you really want to trip, I'd snort half the capsule. I suppose you could snort a small supplement (say, 2mg - the dose response curve is very steep on this one) after an hour if it's not working. Also, I wouldn't snort at the venue; I'd do it before, as the 15 minute come up is very intense, even at just 6mg. You'll want to be in a safe, controlled environment until that's passed. My 6mg experience lasted around 5-6 hours, so you should still have plenty of time to get to the show.
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I was not talking about sniffing the entire 15mg, I meant about slightly more than half of it. SNRIs work almost in the exact same way as SSRIs do, just with the added norepinephrine reuptake inhibition. It usually takes me at least 2 hits of a batch of good acid to make me start to get visuals, but I typically take 3 (sometimes 4 if I'm feeling like losing my mind).

If I've been on 150mg Effexor XR (an SNRI) and have been on average daily doses of probably 4 or 5 other SSRIs before that, about how strong of a trip do you think an orally-taken, 15mg dose of 2C-E would get me? Let's say on a 1-5 scale here.
 
^ There's really no way that anyone can tell you how strong 15 mg will be. Not only does 2c-e have a wide variation in response between different users, it seems to have a somewhat nonlinear dosing curve from one experience to the next - i.e., 14 mg could blow you away one time and 18 mg won't do much the next.

I will say that just 10 mg had me seeing infinity in a grain of sand.

I also think that you'd be better off saving it for an introspective experience; taking it at a concert is a waste of its potential.
 
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Geist89 said:
I was not talking about sniffing the entire 15mg, I meant about slightly more than half of it. SNRIs work almost in the exact same way as SSRIs do, just with the added norepinephrine reuptake inhibition. It usually takes me at least 2 hits of a batch of good acid to make me start to get visuals, but I typically take 3 (sometimes 4 if I'm feeling like losing my mind).

If I've been on 150mg Effexor XR (an SNRI) and have been on average daily doses of probably 4 or 5 other SSRIs before that, about how strong of a trip do you think an orally-taken, 15mg dose of 2C-E would get me? Let's say on a 1-5 scale here.
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Really no way to tell. If you're like me (and keep in mind I haven't been on SSRI's in two years; I just attribute my tolerance to residual effects) 15mg oral will be just barely noticeable. If you have a high tolerance to LSD, then it seems reasonable to assume you may also have elevated tolerance to other psychedelics, but again, no way to know for sure. The most conservative approach would be to take all 15mg orally; you may get nothing or you may have a very powerful experience. A somewhat riskier course would be follow what I suggesed above: snorting 7.5mg, and potentially boosting by 2mg one hour later if necessary. I'm quite certain you'll trip this way, but even just 7.5mg insufflated could be more than you'd bargained for, especially if you're planning on being out in public.
 
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^ I also think that you'd be better off saving it for an introspective experience; taking it at a concert is a waste of its potential.
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i disagree, 2c-e makes music incredibly beautiful and complex, and gives a new experience to the music, amazing for radiohead concert, jesus, out of this world experience, but they do have a psychedelicness to them and think that is a must
 
I have newly reorganized the Big and Dandy 2C-E Thread with the new standards. There is now just one main thread with no old archived versions. Look at the first post for links to all the sub-threads. If you have a question about 2C-E, please refer to those links to see if your topic is covered, and direct your search to that subthread. If it's not covered, post in the main Big and Dandy thread.

Enjoy!
 
I love 2C-E. I've done it many times with little negative effects, both acute and long-germ. I recommend it to everyone who enjoys the psychedelic mind-state.
 
one thing i didnt mention in my report was that piracetam was taken earlier in that day, but it was like a good 8 hours before, so maybe that added to the intenseness??

im going to renaissance festival and camping out in the woods this weekend, and i plan to bust out the good ol 2c-e, will be a fucking trip
 
The piracetam may have added to the intenseness, although by 8 hours it should have been clear of your system. Most likely it was just the 2C-E, as 20mg is a damn intense dose! :)
 
I took 30mg 2ce orally on three sugarcubes along with pot, alcohol, coffee, bzp, amphetamine, hydrocodone and 3-tfmpp and found it quite enjoyable. Colors were intense, vision sharpened, I had trouble focusing my eyes in an enjoyable way, and I had no trouble staying up / partying all night long until the crack of dawn.

I would probably take 40mg 2ce in the future if given the opportunity. DOET would be even better find (but at a lower dose obviously).
 
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I took 30mg 2ce orally on three sugarcubes along with pot, alcohol, coffee, bzp, amphetamine, hydrocodone and 3-tfmpp and found it quite enjoyable. Colors were intense, vision sharpened, I had trouble focusing my eyes in an enjoyable way, and I had no trouble staying up / partying all night long until the crack of dawn.

I would probably take 40mg 2ce in the future if given the opportunity. DOET would be even better find (but at a lower dose obviously).
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You didn't get nausea? I get intense nausea from 2C-E at 15 mg. I have been up to 50 mg rectally, 45 orally. Looks like you may have drowned out the psychedelic effects a bit with other substances. I have never had such a cocktail, but I recommend just weed and 2C-E. 40 mg is a heroic dose, have fun. I also suggest tripping during the day on 2C-E, if you can.
 
Yes 30mg would be too much for most people, I already found 24mg really intense.

I don't know how amphetamine and the like modify the nature of the trip but I guess there would be some changes, myself found that a low dose of MDMA changes the nature of the 2c-e trip a lot...
 
Something strange happend one night ago:

Me and two friends of mine got together one night to trip on 2c-e. The third guy had never tried 2c-e before, but I and the other guy have used it several times.
I usually dose 15mg oral, and I feel that this is probably the most I can handle.
(I am very sensitive to drugs)

However this night I took 18mg, and I thought that this would tear the world apart. My friends took 21mg and 18mg.

After an hour or so some light visuals started to appear, but they did not escalate at all! - The trip was very mild...
One of my friend didn't trip at all (the guy who never tried 2c-e, and dosed 18mg) and the other guy felt exactly the same as me.

What could be the reason? Have my 2c-e degraded?
I have kept it out of light, airtight in several ziplock bags (squeesed the air out) but the compound is over 1,5 years.
Tried 15mgs. this summer and it was just as potent as before.

Could this be psychological?
I have never in my life experienced something like this, 2c-e is really really strong, and I am very sensitive so I am really confused?!
 
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