The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)

[Mr Blonde]

I've seen some of the worst freakouts I've ever seen before from marijuana. Granted, they usually last about 30 minutes, where a good psychedelic freakout could last the (long) remainder of the drug. I'm not really convinced that the drug has as much to do with the freakout as people seem to give it credit. I realize this is just my personal opinion, though, too.

You mean that it has more to do with the individual? I agree with you somewhat, but I do believe the more intense psychedelics are more liable to cause freak outs. 2C-E can be very intense.

 

[feelgoodhit]

people underestimate marijuana all the time, especially large amounts, & don't treat it with the caution they would treat a psychedelic. that's part of the problem. but yeah, i do think it has alot to do with the drug also - i almost never get paranoid on LSD but i do regularly on marijuana.

 

[Xorkoth]

people underestimate marijuana all the time, especially large amounts, & don't treat it with the caution they would treat a psychedelic. that's part of the problem. but yeah, i do think it has alot to do with the drug also - i almost never get paranoid on LSD but i do regularly on marijuana.

Likewise... I actually get more paranoid from marijuana these days than on most any psychedelic. This didn't used to be the case... when I started using psychedelics they made me nearly freak out every time. But as I got more comfortable with them and myself, they stopped causing me to feel self-conscious and paranoid because I could realize there is no reason to feel that way. Marijuana, however, will sometimes just make me feel self-conscious and paranoid, and regardless of the fact that I know it shouldn't, it still does. This certainly doesn't always happen but it does often enough.

 

[Mr Blonde]

i almost never get paranoid on LSD but i do regularly on marijuana.

Me too! If anything I'll get some slight paranoia that goes away or I can talk myself out of, marijuana though it just hands around and reminds me why I don't use it anymore.

 

[Erebus-]

Is there any cross-tolerance between LSD and 2C-E, or any of the 2C-x's for that matter? If so, how long is good for regular dosage?

 

[Xorkoth]

Yes, there is tolerance between all psychedelic drugs (all that act on 5-HT2a anyway, which all tryptamines and phenethylamines anhd ergolines (like LSD) do). There is the most tolerance between two doses of the same chemical, obviously, Followed by chemicals in the same family (so any 2C-X will produce a lot of tolerance for any other 2C-X). Then followed by any phenethylamine (so a DOX will produce tolerance for a 2C-X). Followed by between families (tryptamines to phenethylamines produce the least tolerance but still some). LSD seems to produce some tolerance for both tryptamines and phenethylamines since it carries both molecular skeletons.

This has been my experience anyway. Hope it helps.

 

[Mr Blonde]

Is there any cross-tolerance between LSD and 2C-E, or any of the 2C-x's for that matter? If so, how long is good for regular dosage?

+1 to what Xorkoth said. Also, if you're asking how long to wait between doses, I'd say at least a week though the Erowid page on LSD says the tolerance takes only three days to go away.

I say a week because I've seen posters here in PD say that it's better for keeping the magic if you wait longer.

 

[soundtrance]

ive dosed 2c-e and then 2 days later dosed again and experienced no tolerance, tripped just as hard as the first dose

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Lucky you.

I've never tried it with 2C-E, but I've done LSD then done it again two days later exacty and noticed a lessened intensity.

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

ive dosed 2c-e and then 2 days later dosed again and experienced no tolerance, tripped just as hard as the first dose

I agree with this... it has been my experience as well.

There doesn't seem to be much tolerance from one single use of phens. Instead, tolerance is developed slowly over multiple uses if they are spaced too closely together.

Then, once tolerance is developed, it takes longer to dissipate when compared to lsd or tryptamine tolerance.

 

[Xorkoth]

^^ How often did you do this pattern, though? Just once in a while? In that case you'll probably be fine. I took a long time to develop the serious tolerance I've developed... 1.5 years or so of dosing multiple times a week. Now even after a 4.5 month break my tolerance didn't drop a whole lot. I have a feeling I will need to take a break for years to ever reach the same level of effect as I once got.

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

The worst I ever did was tripping on phens 3 or 4 times a week on average (sometimes I tripped 6 out of 7 days) for about almost 3 months. Then I started tripping erratically for the next 2 months... probably 10 trips within that last 2 month period. Didn't notice any reduction in tolerance between uses that were separated by as much as 10 days.

I waited a month and a half and tried tripping again, but I still noticed considerable tolerance... it had improved, but nowhere near as much as I expected it should have.

Then I took an eight month break, and everything returned to normal.

So I suppose with a long enough break, your tolerance should return to what it was when you first started...

 

[Mylo]

Im one of the very few who hate 2c-e .
I tried it 3 times: 10mg oral, 18mg oral and 10mg insufflated + diazepam and each time was horrible for me. Dont get me wrong, the open and closed eye visuals were amazing, only to be matched by 2c-t-7. But the neutral attitude of 2c-e is what lets it down for me, i dont get any euphoria at all from it and a body load which i find way too uncomfortable.

 

[suspekt-]

I find that the "neutrality" of 2C-E, is actually a very good thing. It's very capable of giving you intense euphoria, but I feel that you have to work for it, like finding the perfect song for a moment. It seems to me that 2C-E gives you an excellent psychedelic state, like a blank canvas, and it's up to you what you do with it.

 

[Mr Blonde]

I have combined 2c-e with N,N DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, and Methylone all at once.

Mindblowing, to say the least.

Nice... you got my mouth watering with that combo!

Im one of the very few who hate 2c-e .
I tried it 3 times: 10mg oral, 18mg oral and 10mg insufflated + diazepam and each time was horrible for me. Dont get me wrong, the open and closed eye visuals were amazing, only to be matched by 2c-t-7. But the neutral attitude of 2c-e is what lets it down for me, i dont get any euphoria at all from it and a body load which i find way too uncomfortable.

I don't mind the lack of euphoria; for me, 2C-E has been a good substance for when I just want to feel my mind being purged with psychedelic goodness; I can feel Ethyl's fingers running through my brain and showing me every little part of my consciouness. I guess in a way it is kinda euphoric, but in a strange, perverted way.

 

[Amberthefrog]

This may be a silly question but considering 2C-D. 2C-E and 2C-P are all active, and increase in potency as the 4-alkyl group is made bigger, why not 2,5-dimethoxy-4-(n)-butylphenethylamine? I had a look around but couldn't find any info, not even in the Pihkal extensions commentaries of 2C-E/2C-P. Any help?

 

[swilow]

Hmm, yeah I don't feel 'euphoric' on 2C-E, even at hefty doses (35 mg+, utter hallinigenic madness...) where I am almost collapsing with laughter (I tend to laugh when tripping whether things are funny or not). Well, its euphoria I guess, but almost like what robot would feel. A bit of DPT on 2C-E wasn't such a great combinaton....such pure, all encompassing hallucinations makes you dizzy; I was virtually blind from fractal-attacks, there didn't appear to be any 'normal' world left at all.

My friend tried to stop my neighbour from mowing his lawn by leaping into the guys rubbish bin- it was fucking scary, as I though he'd started playing with a helicopter. And so on....

That said, my friend has testified that since that experience, he has quite drink and drugs~ we'll see, but if thats the case, 2C-E may have a great therapeutic potential. My friend was on about 50mg and we redosed consistently, also with dexamp and cannabis. Not an advisable combo as such, but truly magickal. Also, those doses were way to high, but I like to have at least one very high dose session with any psychedelic I try, see if I can breakthrough.

 

[Mr Blonde]

Not an advisable combo as such, but truly magickal. Also, those doses were way to high, but I like to have at least one very high dose session with any psychedelic I try, see if I can breakthrough.

What do you mean by breaking through?

 

[swilow]

^I think most, if not all psychedelics can bring one to state/place that I can most easily relate to DMT-space or salvia-land ie. a totally 'new'/'differrent' dimension, usually one where normal relaity is completely replaced. Its a slightly dangerous thing to do even with a sitter, particualrly on stimlating psychedelics, but in my experience mushrooms, DMT, ketamine, DPT, 5-Meo-DMT, salvia, and mescaline at least have been able to elicit the magical out-of-body and otherwordly trip....in different ways of course; the mushroom 'breakthrough' is something realtively common I think; complete immersion in a different reality, which looks very disturbing to the observer ie. some nut interacting with invisible shit

The reason I put some emphasis on that state, and try to attain it at least once with any psychedelic, is because its the one that I emerge from with the most food for thought, and utterly renewed. I think if I hadn't had so much dexamphetamine when I last had 2C-E I would have reached the state (maybe it samdhi/nirvana/hell I don't know)- at least, my mate certainly did, or appeared to. In his head, he was just looking for a DVD though...:D

Breakthrough trips, I think, can occurr on any dose of a psychedelic (and are probably what Shulgin called a plus 4) but the higher doses make it easier; though more dangerous due to loss of control and the fear that can induce. Thus a sitter is neccesary if you are going to be wandering through this reality but with a new and possibly inaccurate map. It is heavenly and sublime, but on a mundane note, pretty foolish unless you KNOW you will be safe.

 

[Psychonautical]

Listen, the first stuff I got was pure Garbage, No Visuals, No Euphoria just accelerated thought and feelings. Then I got some other stuff that was a totally different color and it produced visuals in as low as 5mgs.

Personally i like to take less and see more than take more and feel more but see less you know what i mean...

Anyways now that i have a mix of the 2 i am kind of interested in seeing what the trip will produce...

AS Many of you may remember, my rants about how i believe 2c-e has the ability to break addictions...

Well someone recently posted on erowid... a trip report basically entailing a more rational view on how 2c-e seems to cure addiction...

HE was a smoker... i was taking about people who did meth....

but wait.... Don't they say Smoking is the hardest drug to quit... lol...

It has been 2 month sense my last 2c-e and i still feel the buzz.
I have Stopped Drinking alcohol and consuming fast food
and smoking 3.5 grams of weed everyday.
I smoke 1 gram a day instead of 3.5
and i know if i tripped on 2c-e again my urge to smoke weed would be completely destroyed/

My used to be meth addicted friend, still 2.5 months after his first and only 2c-e trip still has not touched meth,

Along with my Opiate addicted friend...
No longer needs any kind of opiate nothing.

2c-e appears to be the best at giving positive insight into quitting the things that are most terrible for you...

anyways here is this new trip report kind of entailing the details on how the 2c-e trip deconstructionalizes addiction inside of your brain...

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=70931

I know you didn't name any sources per se, but even the level of detail you go into in this post is unnecesary. --SKL