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The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)

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All i have to say is 75Mg is the highest i've ever done.
I did that 3 times two years ago.
now it seems that when i do like as little as 5mg i can have a++++ experience that lasts a very short time...

But if i consume like 12-22mg i will have an amazing ever lasting day of wonders.

I dont reccomend taking 75MG under any circumstances... unless like you are a soulless robot... who requires some kind of devine arch angel influence lol...

Honestly, i've tried other phens... they feel spineless compared to this...

Like honestly i went on an ayahuasca journey... this stuff feels like ayahuasca without any of the toxic effects... like ... same kind of headspace...
Just not as OUT THERE still pretty fucking far... and with the right music and with the right mind set you can take yourself into realms alot like the ayahuasca journey....
 
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I'm curious as to other people's experiences with the headspace of 2C-E...

It's been said a lot that 2C-E can give you a very cold, analytical perspective on everything. I find that when I'm tripping, I have the most bizarre thoughts come into my head, strange situations usually involving people I know, and then when I start to think about them I usually come to some conclusion about how I should change my life for the better, and also things that I've been doing wrong I need to work on.

As opposed to LSD, where it seems like my mind is hugely expanded and capable of processing many different ideas and connecting with people in ways I never have before.

How does 2C-E affect your mind? How do you come to ideas or 'revelations' when you're under her spell?
 
Mr Blonde said:
I'm curious as to other people's experiences with the headspace of 2C-E...

It's been said a lot that 2C-E can give you a very cold, analytical perspective on everything. I find that when I'm tripping, I have the most bizarre thoughts come into my head, strange situations usually involving people I know, and then when I start to think about them I usually come to some conclusion about how I should change my life for the better, and also things that I've been doing wrong I need to work on.

As opposed to LSD, where it seems like my mind is hugely expanded and capable of processing many different ideas and connecting with people in ways I never have before.

How does 2C-E affect your mind? How do you come to ideas or 'revelations' when you're under her spell?
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Yeah. It's weird and I haven't yet discovered the true deepness of 2C-E, but it seems that I find conclusions to any problem. Those consequences are, for me, heavily influenced by emotions. It seems my emotions are stronger and have influence on anything I do. But I never feel discouraged or anything (a bit like MDMA for me on that side). And I always think about my friends for some reason too.
 
I would have to say that is basically tries to teach you something.
Along the lines of Mushrooms. But more straight to the point. I would honestly have to say... this drug is like having Bill Hicks pumped into your veins.

You want to tell people everything. And you wanna tell everyone everything with the same amount of driving force you did the first 300 times. But this everything... you speak about doesnt actually pertain to anything. But when it has to. You find that you can say thee deepest thing in like 20 words or less... It seems to know how to leave out bullshit. Personally i think it would be an awesome truth serum.

I find that the deepness level strongly is based upon what you are listening to or what you are involved in. Terrance Mckennas Original Tree of Knowledge is 9 Hours long... my trips generally last 12-16. I've listened to the entirity of that and watched it play out behind my eyes. But then i can actually make summations that correspond with what he was saying that match up with things in todays day of age...

It seems to be about evolution and progression. I'd almost say there is an entity behind it.. at a high enough dose... being... like 75MG or more lol...

Seriously... i've eaten mushrooms all shapes all sizes
Quarter, Half Ounce...

I understand the mushroom, the mushroom understands me.
I had One Bad Trip.
In my hole 7 years doing drugs
and i think that was when my SOUL was being made. lol

and Datura... but everyone has a bad trip on datura lol...

I have found like rubbing as much as 2mg into my finger tips actually increases my mental acuity and my ability to focus and fixate upon tasks and objects.

I feel more creative... i find there is also.... a mother maryish
Type aspect to it...

You want to make everyone feel as happy as you are while you are on it.

It seems to grab you right by the Nuts and say SEE this Person...>
You know what this person NEEDS to hear right now...

and if you are doing a relatively safe dose... 10-12mg....

You are most likely going to be psychically linked into those exact words...

Theres soooo much about this substance...... sooo deeepp...
 
Regarding head space on 2C-E, at 40 mg, the synaesthesia was at full capacity, and then fish-eyed. My head, felt, as Shpongle puts it, like a Frisbee.

And for thoughts on 2C-E, for me, the torrent of concepts come way too fast for any sort of communication with anyone that is coherent. So after the first time I did it, I gave up trying to explain 2C-E in mental terms. Sensory distortion is about all people will understand.

GU is a glycogen gelatin. You can buy it at Sport Chalet, or Chicks or whatever sports place in your area.

Just curious, but have any of you watched the movie "Stay"?
The first time I did 2C-E, I watched this movie on the come down and was blown away by it's deep continuity and similarity to 2C-E's water-like visuals and transitions. If you can watch it soon. The movie is like a combination between "Donnie Darko" and "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge"
 
Yeah. It's weird and I haven't yet discovered the true deepness of 2C-E, but it seems that I find conclusions to any problem. Those consequences are, for me, heavily influenced by emotions. It seems my emotions are stronger and have influence on anything I do. But I never feel discouraged or anything (a bit like MDMA for me on that side). And I always think about my friends for some reason too.
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You're emotions become stronger on 2C-E? Cool, for me my emotions seem slightly lifted or sometimes flattened, but my little 'neuroses' or my stranger thought patterns become more prominent and I can then examine them. Thoughts about my friends are usually pretty prominent as well.

I would honestly have to say... this drug is like having Bill Hicks pumped into your veins.
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Lol...strange images coming into my head right now! ;)

I'd almost say there is an entity behind it.. at a high enough dose... being... like 75MG or more lol...
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Yeah, for me 2C-E is a calculating, cold woman in the role of a teacher almost, but at the same time can show affection and keep me safe. I like her. :)

I tend to describe most substances in feminine terms, especially the ones I love, but with psychedelics it's almost like the drug is expressing herself to me.

Regarding head space on 2C-E, at 40 mg, the synaesthesia was at full capacity, and then fish-eyed. My head, felt, as Shpongle puts it, like a Frisbee.

And for thoughts on 2C-E, for me, the torrent of concepts come way too fast for any sort of communication with anyone that is coherent. So after the first time I did it, I gave up trying to explain 2C-E in mental terms. Sensory distortion is about all people will understand.
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I have a hard time trying to describe it as well, beyond the hallucinations which are pretty hard to give an idea of to someone as well. Most people who haven't done psychedelics will just think you see crazy colors and outlandish hallucinations, when in reality it's so much more complex and subtle then that.
 
2C-E seems to have the effect of combining my senses into a single super-sense at high doses... I have also gained the ability to see my current position as a nexus of dimensional circumstances, and to be able to see the spread of possible futures (probabilities) spread out directly before me, and then make decisions based on those potentials.
 
2C-E seems to have the effect of combining my senses into a single super-sense at high doses... I have also gained the ability to see my current position as a nexus of dimensional circumstances, and to be able to see the spread of possible futures (probabilities) spread out directly before me, and then make decisions based on those potentials.
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That's awe inspiring...what dose were you using?

On shrooms my only thoughts were what consequences could follow, while 2C-E was much more realization of the self and what I could do to myself for the better. It really makes you face what needs to be done to achieve your final destination.
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I haven't done shrooms, but I know what you're saying about 2C-E. It's a psychedelic that for me is a lot better for making actual changes to your lifestyle. My experiences with other substances have been good, but either I didn't get a chance to go very deep with them or they just didn't provide the same sort of feeling.
 
Well, then you must experience the magic of the psilocybin mushroom! Shrooms was my first psychedelic, it is what turned me on to this whole sub-culture. While other hallucinogens I have taken, p. cubensis was the most emotional, but I found to be quite neutral in regard to the self-image. 2C-E is not as friendly to the ego, or anything else for that matter.
 
Supposedly, they grow all over my country (Australia), but I haven't found any yet. I guess I just haven't had the time to truly look for them yet...also, the weather hasn't exactly been a great help.
 
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That's awe inspiring...what dose were you using?
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18mg, with piracetam (potentiated wildly, not recommended due to possible danger).

Here is the report.

I wrote it right after the experience, in fact on the plateau and the day after, so it's kind of unfiltered.

Mushrooms have been the most beautiful and spiritual and important psychedelic experience in my life. 2C-E is more mental, mushrooms are more godly/emotional. For me at least. Also mushrooms can be more difficult to handle.
 
hey, i need to know just for the sake of reference...
But are there any people out there who have consumed this substance
and had ++++ experiences consistantly in a row.

I always seem to find things to fix or change when i am on this drug...
Strangest Part is it sticks
 
In my opinion it's not possible to have ++++ experiences consistently. A ++++ experience isn't a function of the strength of a trip. Fixing or changing something about yourself isn't what defines a ++++ experience.
 
^ Maybe with 2CE it is not, but 5-MeO-DMT has consistenly given me a +4 when I take in a breakthrough dose. Hands down. Three out of three times I've smoked a brekathrough dose I've had what I would call a +4, complete ego loss, merging with the fabric of reality, complete unity with the fundamental/primitive aspect of reality (LOVE)
 
I think you have to be alone, or with one other person you really know and trust more than ever. Usually with other people, as a recreational/social tool, you probably won't exceed +++. 2C-E is not too dependent on the dose, rather, the set and setting is much more imperative. If you break the threshold, for me about 25 mg, the possibilities are endless.
Psychonautical, if you want consistent ++++ experiences, I recommend working on your mental and environmental state, not the strength of your dosing. I've done 2C-E 4 times in since mid February, 2 of which I would call ++++. But it was the set and setting, all of my doses have been very high.
 
alright...
10mg for me has consistantly allowed me to percieve god coming out of my celing.
Just as his eyes are getting close to my face i look away and my celing goes back to normal.

The Entire time i feel as if i am being lifted upward... or as if my couch is levitating.

Now 2c-e Produces relatively normal thought processes so technically they are only as deep as you want to go...

I have never found this substance forceful or controlling.
If anything i find it enlightening. Then again i am not doing it all day everyday.

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Alrighty So i sold some of this powder to one of my friends.
I gave him 10mg. He said that there wasnt enough there to fuck him up.
I told him there was and he laughed at me.

I went home and i found out later on one of my other friends came over there and gave him some mushrooms because he waited 1 hour and nothing happened.

The asshole ate like 5 grams of mushrooms. What happened after that i am told was pretty trauma inducing.

He fell onto the ground and rolled around on the floor for 45 minutes Eyes wide open drooling.

After the 45 minutes past he got up and told his roommates that
"he was in outer space, crushing planets with his hands and that it was absolutely amazing"

Then his roommates called me and asked me if they should call the ambulence.
I went over there and his pupils were dialated so big that the actual color of his eyes was just a series of multiform straight lines.

I checked his pulse was at 75bpm everything was fine

and he continued tripping balls... I Brought over some shpongle cd's for him to chill out to.

Like this guy was on the floor rolling around knocking everything over and he would go from wall to wall and did it consistantly for 45 minutes straight.
(basically i think he ended up peaking on both at the exact same time)

or they both potentated each other so much that it was like he broke through into the story of the mushroom dominance in the universe and then turned his soul into the divining rod for percieving.

Like i find that 10mg of this substance "opens all the doors"
Now you are putting a Hallucinatory Lifeform into your brain.
With all the doors open... fucking right its going to GRAB AHOLD OF YA


anyways i just thought i should post this...

5grams of Mushrooms + 10mgs = a NO NO

at least for... an unexperienced tripper.


What pissed me off was i told him you'll be waiting like 2hours before you feel it. I just cant believe he did 5 fucking grams of mushrooms.

I would do like 3.5... not fucking 5
I am actually thinking i might try it... just to percievable concieve what he could have possibley seen on that night.
 
^^ Sounds like your friend should not be doing psychedelics. Unfortunately it's a common tale... for whatever reason a lot of people refuse to believe that it will take 2+ hours to come up. They might say they believe you, but then after they take it they'll get impatient and take more before it's started working. I've seen it happen many times with many substances.

Hopefully your friend learned a lesson. And hopefully you've learned to better differentiate when people are mature enough to be given a powerful psychedelic like 2C-E.
 
Well you see, he likes to hippy flip. MDMA and Mushrooms MDMA and LSD
The second i said it was invented by Shuglin(the guy who invented MDMA)
I think something inside of his head made him think that this was going to be more of an Entactogen//Empathogen.

who knows maybe he had it planned all along because i told him in advance that he should try this....

Like i've seen this guy take 6 hits of acid 4 E Pills.

Still stand and still be able to carry on deep conversations that are coherient...


So i don't exactly know why that happened...


lol i wish i have a picture of the look of his face
When he said " I was in outer space(pause) CRUSHIN PLANETS WITH MY HANDS *eyes light up* (holds up his hands)
 
What makes a ++++ experience? Thinking you are god or some higher being? Contemplating the meaning of life? Or just having a really good time?


I don't know why I trip anymore. I'm not really getting much out of it these days.
 
What makes a ++++ experience?
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From the Shulgin Scale found in PiHKAL:

PLUS FOUR (++++)
A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samadhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end of, the human experiment.
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