Does anyone have any experience of insufflating 2C-C? I'd be interested to know what the time-to-peak and time-to-baseline are. With oral 36 mg for me, it was 3 hours to peak and 6 hours to baseline; and I was wondering if insufflating reduces the former, the latter, both or neither.
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Interesting, thanks! I'd really like to see if I can bear the burn, for the sake of a trip that I could take in the evening around 10 (usually the only chance I get) and yet still be able to get to bed fairly early. Could you say when baseline is for you with oral doses, for the sake of comparison?
Great, thanks for the prompt and informative responses!
ETA: Oh, I have another question... how is 2C-C for the effectiveness of redosing by insufflation (and indeed by oral)?
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One of my friends used to do rectal 2c-c and rectal 2c-i pretty continuosly, and he seemed to like it, but I've never redosed on a 2c.
I'd go for the gold the first time around though and sniff about 30mg... That's me, though. Be warned that it might be kinda crazy, but I think the higher doses are where 2c-c really shines.
I'd go for the gold the first time around though and sniff about 30mg... That's me, though. Be warned that it might be kinda crazy, but I think the higher doses are where 2c-c really shines.
Cool, yes I get that impression from various reports, and also had that impression from my 36 mg oral dose, which I loved but very much felt it had room to go further. One report (I can't remember now where I read it) of - I think - 100 mg oral, iirc, mentions quite extraordinary sounding auditory distortions, which intrigued me greatly. Sounded like it might open up a space of auditory distortions within which DiPT would be a mere point on each of its dimensions. ETA: Found it again. From Bluedolphin's Erowid report on 40+63mg oral 2C-C:
I guess I was wondering about redosing because I was conceiving that I might on some occasion snort 2C-C with a view to a quick trip, and then change my mind as I start to come down, and want to prolong. Well, I may as well give it a go, if the occasion arises, and see how it does.
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I sampled a smidge of this last night and found it very pleasant, if also very brief. I plugged around 20mg and, as many have noted, it provided an odd mix of stimulation and sedation but nothing overly psychedelic. Felt very gentle and "easy".
After an hour or so, it didn't really seem to be going anywhere special - perfectly pleasant, but not overly exciting - so I added a lil line of ketamine and that seemed to do the trick. It was almost like the 2C-C needed something else to work its magic cos within seconds I was way more ketomised than would normally be the case from such a modest amount. Reminded me a lot of the way ket feels when taken on top of MDMA but with more depth to it. It also reminded me a little of 2C-D in the effect it had on music - Dicky D. James sounded incredible :D.
Was a very pleasing combo, but I only had that one dose of 2C-C so it may not be repeated by me for a while and it was over quickly - maybe 4 or 5 hours in total with no more than an hour of peak time, probably less. I liked it and think it has a lot of potential and I would have loved the chance to explore it's own psychedelic effects. Another time.
After an hour or so, it didn't really seem to be going anywhere special - perfectly pleasant, but not overly exciting - so I added a lil line of ketamine and that seemed to do the trick. It was almost like the 2C-C needed something else to work its magic cos within seconds I was way more ketomised than would normally be the case from such a modest amount. Reminded me a lot of the way ket feels when taken on top of MDMA but with more depth to it. It also reminded me a little of 2C-D in the effect it had on music - Dicky D. James sounded incredible :D.
Was a very pleasing combo, but I only had that one dose of 2C-C so it may not be repeated by me for a while and it was over quickly - maybe 4 or 5 hours in total with no more than an hour of peak time, probably less. I liked it and think it has a lot of potential and I would have loved the chance to explore it's own psychedelic effects. Another time
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That's fairly different from my 2c-c trip, rectal @ 20mg.
I plugged it, walked into the kitchen and poured a glass of wine and suddenly noticed that I was coming up very fast. I sat down on the couch and for some reason decided I wanted to watch Mortal Kombat so I put it on. The sound effects on the movie were very intense. I had no idea what was going on it, people kept popping in and out of scenes and whenever they began walking they left giant rainbow covered trails that glimmered. Another odd visual was that their facial features seemed to move around their face a lot, they were almost kind of bobbing and dancing with their own little grooves. After about 45 minutes of that I went outside and the trees were moving around with a lot of intensity and forming a mountain of black fractals, so I went back into my house, laid in bed, and put some music on. About 20 minutes later I sadly realized I was sober and that was the end of the trip. There was a lot of sedation, though I also drank a glass of wine. Generally I've found 2c-c sedating.
I like when it's at a high intensity but the duration is too short. I bet it'd be great with an ethoxy in the five position. Should be easy to do.
I plugged it, walked into the kitchen and poured a glass of wine and suddenly noticed that I was coming up very fast. I sat down on the couch and for some reason decided I wanted to watch Mortal Kombat so I put it on. The sound effects on the movie were very intense. I had no idea what was going on it, people kept popping in and out of scenes and whenever they began walking they left giant rainbow covered trails that glimmered. Another odd visual was that their facial features seemed to move around their face a lot, they were almost kind of bobbing and dancing with their own little grooves. After about 45 minutes of that I went outside and the trees were moving around with a lot of intensity and forming a mountain of black fractals, so I went back into my house, laid in bed, and put some music on. About 20 minutes later I sadly realized I was sober and that was the end of the trip. There was a lot of sedation, though I also drank a glass of wine. Generally I've found 2c-c sedating.
I like when it's at a high intensity but the duration is too short. I bet it'd be great with an ethoxy in the five position. Should be easy to do.
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^ It's entirely possible that I overestimated the dose a tad, Nuke. It was essentially the leftover bit in a bag and too fiddly to be weighing. It was a safely small amount and certainly not more than 20mg so I felt okay doing it. Bit of a cavalier attitude, perhaps. Although I did also do it in two stages - half initially and half 15 minutes later - as I'm a bit wary of 2Cx. I had a very strong reaction to 2C-B and am now very cautious with anything beginning with "2C". My reaction to 2C-D does appear to be normal though. Think I have odd body chemistry :D.
I certainly agree about it being sedating. In fact I even dozed off for an hour or two after the peak and when I awoke I just had an afterglow kind of feeling. The 4 or 5 hour figure is from time ingested to complete baseline. It was only the first couple of hours where effects were very noticable, just a bit warm and tingly for a further couple of hours afterwards.
Tis a shame it was a one-off as it's hard to really get a feel for something that way. Sure I'll get to experiment further one day though.
I certainly agree about it being sedating. In fact I even dozed off for an hour or two after the peak and when I awoke I just had an afterglow kind of feeling. The 4 or 5 hour figure is from time ingested to complete baseline. It was only the first couple of hours where effects were very noticable, just a bit warm and tingly for a further couple of hours afterwards.
Tis a shame it was a one-off as it's hard to really get a feel for something that way. Sure I'll get to experiment further one day though
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What's your average dosage? I tried it for the first time last saturday. I did 30 mg. orally at first. Nothing happened. Then I did 15 mg nasally after 2 hours had passed since the initial dose. Nothing happened at all. Several others have had full effects from this batch, so I find it odd. I dont have a high tolerance to 2c-x normally. Should I try pushing the dosage further, or should I give up on this one?
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I would (cautiously) double your dose. This one is pretty variable, once me and two other people dosed 30mg. The one was floored with tons of visuals, the other was only relaxed and sedated with a strong body buzz, and I was inbetween. 30mg should have at least done something, though.
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Did you have any food in your stomach?
Oh, golly, I knew I was going to like 2C-C, from that gentle first attempt at 36 mg (on a partly full stomach) I had with it. I'm surprised to find, from my second oral dose (at 66 mg, on a slightly more than partly full stomach), that the empathogenic effects I noted on the come-up of the lower dose are not missed on the higher dose, but rather amplified with an accompanying mellow euphoria that was rather disconcertingly (pleasingly) MDMA-like in tone. (I remember thinking at that stage, 'I wonder if MDA is anything like this, 'cos this feels a lot like I'd expect a psychedelic empathogen/entactogen to feel like.')
I'm also pleased and interested to note that, while I certainly had motor tremors (especially after my insufflated booster dose), these were not experienced as troubling, nor as accompanied by any worrying form of physical stimulation. Indeed, they were integral to the psychedelic experience that ensued when I insufflated 12 mg 2C-C at t+3.00; this producing a where-the-fuck-did-that-hour-go hour of intense, emotional and cognitive profound and multisensory psychedelia (in intensity, I've not experienced the like of it at least since my last stock of 2C-E ran out a good year or two back; it was also a lot more positive - though not pushily so - than 2C-E in character, but who knows if that had anything to do with the substance, rather than set and setting, since I was in a very different state generally then).
Insufflation was remarkably painless, aside from a mild sting briefly and a bitter taste. Don't know if I'd find 30 mg notably more troubling. We shall see.
I'll put up a more detailed trip report maybe in a few days. ETA: Done, here.
I'm also pleased and interested to note that, while I certainly had motor tremors (especially after my insufflated booster dose), these were not experienced as troubling, nor as accompanied by any worrying form of physical stimulation. Indeed, they were integral to the psychedelic experience that ensued when I insufflated 12 mg 2C-C at t+3.00; this producing a where-the-fuck-did-that-hour-go hour of intense, emotional and cognitive profound and multisensory psychedelia (in intensity, I've not experienced the like of it at least since my last stock of 2C-E ran out a good year or two back; it was also a lot more positive - though not pushily so - than 2C-E in character, but who knows if that had anything to do with the substance, rather than set and setting, since I was in a very different state generally then).
Insufflation was remarkably painless, aside from a mild sting briefly and a bitter taste. Don't know if I'd find 30 mg notably more troubling. We shall see.
I'll put up a more detailed trip report maybe in a few days. ETA: Done, here.
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I combined DiPT with 2C-C yesterday. Unfortunately, my trip notes are appallingly lacking (nor was I collecting quantitative data on DiPT's auditory effects), so I doubt I'm going to write a trip report on it, but one specific aspect I want to note here, and ask if anyone's had similar experiences....
It seemed to me that c. 10 mg 2C-C, insufflated just after the peak of 120 mg DiPT oral (on a 16 hours empty stomach), produced an enhancement of DiPT's auditory effects beyond the peak they'd reached, as well as adding a little of its own 2C-C magic to the mix (in the form of moderate visuals, increased cognitive psychedelia and a sense of utter loveliness).
The problems with my interpretation of this as 2C-C amplifying DiPT are two-fold: (1) This being my first reliably weighed 120 mg dose of DiPT, I can't be sure that the DiPT-effects wouldn't have increased further anyway, i.e. that I misjudged the peak and it hadn't yet passed; and (2) the auditory effects notably affected were the closed-ear audials, and I'm not entirely sure that 2C-C can't produce those by itself.
Today I remembered Shulgin's view that 2C-D could increase or extend the effects of other psychedelics. I'm wondering (1) Has anyone noted this with 2C-C too; and (2) Is this in fact a general phenomenon with any psychedelic combination, that adding Y to X after the peak of X extends or enhances X's effects as well as adding those of Y? (Aside from 'shrooms/salvia, once, and some psychedelic/empathogen combinations, I don't think I've tried any psychedelics in combination before; so I lack the experience to answer these questions myself.)
ETA: On a separate note... this combo trip reconfirmed by newfound love of 2C-C. Its quality of loveliness (euphoric/empathic/mellow/playful) makes it, for me, suited both for recreational use and for serious tripping. The former, because feeling lovely is generally quite fun; and the latter, because feeling lovely makes me more willing to drop my guard enough to be able to explore the psychedelic state properly. I may be wrong that 2C-C consistently produces this loveliness, but it has done so three out of three times for me thus far (once oral 36mg, then oral 66mg + 10 mg insufflated booster, then this insufflated 10mg - actually I did another 10 mg about an hour later - with oral DiPT).
ETA: Actually, on reflection, I probably have enough memories of this to make a vaguely worthwhile brief trip report, so I'll do so some time soon, I expect.
It seemed to me that c. 10 mg 2C-C, insufflated just after the peak of 120 mg DiPT oral (on a 16 hours empty stomach), produced an enhancement of DiPT's auditory effects beyond the peak they'd reached, as well as adding a little of its own 2C-C magic to the mix (in the form of moderate visuals, increased cognitive psychedelia and a sense of utter loveliness).
The problems with my interpretation of this as 2C-C amplifying DiPT are two-fold: (1) This being my first reliably weighed 120 mg dose of DiPT, I can't be sure that the DiPT-effects wouldn't have increased further anyway, i.e. that I misjudged the peak and it hadn't yet passed; and (2) the auditory effects notably affected were the closed-ear audials, and I'm not entirely sure that 2C-C can't produce those by itself.
Today I remembered Shulgin's view that 2C-D could increase or extend the effects of other psychedelics. I'm wondering (1) Has anyone noted this with 2C-C too; and (2) Is this in fact a general phenomenon with any psychedelic combination, that adding Y to X after the peak of X extends or enhances X's effects as well as adding those of Y? (Aside from 'shrooms/salvia, once, and some psychedelic/empathogen combinations, I don't think I've tried any psychedelics in combination before; so I lack the experience to answer these questions myself.)
ETA: On a separate note... this combo trip reconfirmed by newfound love of 2C-C. Its quality of loveliness (euphoric/empathic/mellow/playful) makes it, for me, suited both for recreational use and for serious tripping. The former, because feeling lovely is generally quite fun; and the latter, because feeling lovely makes me more willing to drop my guard enough to be able to explore the psychedelic state properly. I may be wrong that 2C-C consistently produces this loveliness, but it has done so three out of three times for me thus far (once oral 36mg, then oral 66mg + 10 mg insufflated booster, then this insufflated 10mg - actually I did another 10 mg about an hour later - with oral DiPT).
ETA: Actually, on reflection, I probably have enough memories of this to make a vaguely worthwhile brief trip report, so I'll do so some time soon, I expect.
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Oh, I forgot to ask before... can you quantify the difference in strength? What doses of oral correspond to what of intranasal, and what of rectal? From my as yet limited experience I'm guessing maybe 20 mg intranasal is comparable to 40 mg or so oral, but I'm not at all sure.
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invert said:
This sounds very familiar to me. Although I've only had the one taste of 2C-C, I vividly "remember" losing an hour or so completely lost in swirly central - endlessly tumbling through lovely, colourful, fractal worlds and the like. Don't really have words to describe it, but "intense, emotional, cognitive, profound, multisensory psychedelia" would be fairly accurate
It just so happened to coincide with me snorting a couple of largish lines of ket though, which I presume rather added to the overall effect, but it was certainly not your common or garden variety K-hole. I suspect I just happened to hit the ket just as the peak of the 2C-C was coming in happy accidental fashion - was lovely
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Ingested 35 mg 2C-C last night. Along with a lot of weed and nitrous oxide. The nitrous oxide was spectacular. 2C-C is a strange chemical. It is so generic in its hallucinations, but when combined, it is like adding gasoline to a little fire. The experience of combining nos with 2c-c while in a jacuzzi made the effects of the nos last longer that the combination of LSD with NOS. Will continue to research 2C-C.
I am thinking of taking it at a rave soon in conjunction with MDMA and perhaps a light stimulant. Does 2C-C couple well with stimulants? I feel like 2C-C can get jittery without weed to aid, but if I took amphetamine would it put more direction to the body urge?
I am thinking of taking it at a rave soon in conjunction with MDMA and perhaps a light stimulant. Does 2C-C couple well with stimulants? I feel like 2C-C can get jittery without weed to aid, but if I took amphetamine would it put more direction to the body urge?
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2CC at 40 mgs was a very impressive experience. The calmness of the come up, the calmness of the trip, and the calmness of the comedown was surprising. It was very visual too. Lots of greens and blue swirls. Music swirled right in too. Had a Dead tape from 1970 that mesmerized me. A very easy comedown in about 4 hours. A short, calm, easy, visual trip. 2CC is one of the great ones in my book.
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Am enjoying a lil 2C-C at the moment, as it happens
Plugged 18mg and is pleasingly gentle. Not explored higher realms yet cos I'm a bit wary of high-dose 2C's if truth be known... So far anyway
2C-D is said to be psychedlic "tofu" by many... I'd put 2C-C in a similar category. At least in my (very) limited experience. Alone, it is pleasant at these modest doses, but hardly earth-shattering... let some ketamine fall into your nose whilst on it however -
would be a good approximation of the effect :D
Plugged 18mg and is pleasingly gentle. Not explored higher realms yet cos I'm a bit wary of high-dose 2C's if truth be known... So far anyway
2C-D is said to be psychedlic "tofu" by many... I'd put 2C-C in a similar category. At least in my (very) limited experience. Alone, it is pleasant at these modest doses, but hardly earth-shattering... let some ketamine fall into your nose whilst on it however -
would be a good approximation of the effect :D- Status