The Big & Dandy 25I-NBOMe Thread (3rd edition)

[weadazoid]

depends on the blotters you have but yes you must keep it under the toung or on the gums. Sepher and I use the pure HCL so it is a bit different. I refused to trust blotters and wanted to go direct.... more control and based on what I have read safer


Seph is 100% right from what I have read.... I took 500 ug and experienced something simmilar to what you describe.. roughly 3 to 4 hours of a strong buzz... no OEV's and very light storm in the distance CEV's


you should not have to hold it in for that long with solved HCL .... takes more prep and a good scale but seriously I recomend that over blotters for simplicity and safety


Oh and yes tolerance ... stay 2 weeks apart let your body and mind heal

 

[5HToInfinity]

I'm aware that with most psychedelics, tolerance seems to dissipate decently within 3 days, is this untrue for the NBOMe's?

 

[weadazoid]

3 days .... more like a week, or more. I tried E like that and it didn't work at all right now E or MDMA is not a true psychadelic.... but still.


NBOMe's effects take a toll on the body and mind in ways that are a bit more concearning then LSD. so yeah I recomend at least a week better to go with 2 though

 

[5HToInfinity]

Wait, you're saying you didn't feel MDMA shortly after taking 25I? Are you a frequent roller, when was the last time you rolled? Or are you actually suggesting there's cross tolerance between 25I and MDMA?

 

[Sepher]

^5HT, there'll be cross-tolerance yes. NBOMes are serotonergic so they'll produce tolerance at receptors they bind to. Those receptors will be taken out of the equation as far as the effectiveness of a serotonin releaser like MDMA goes. Simply put there are fewer receptors available for it to play with. This applies to anything serotonergic, so pretty much any drug that would be classed as a psychedelic is going to be less effective until the tolerance has faded and tolerance seems to be quite long-lasting with NBOMes, especially 25I.

how is the right way to take the blotters anyway? read somewhere it doesent work if you swallow the blotters, the first time i had the blotter up under my gums, buccally, but swallowed my spit every once, the secound time i dident swallow anything and just had alot of spit in my mouth for a little more than a hour and spat everything out...

I stick mine up under the top lip off to the side, next to the molars. Sublingual produces too much spit for me, buccal as suggested is better for that. Just leave them there, don't play around with them. Leave for at least 30 minutes. Longer is better. There'll not be much left after 45-60 mins but HPBCD has a sweet taste to it, the NBOMe itself seems somewhat bitter / metallic tasting to me so if you're still tasting something along those lines I'd suggest there are still actives to be absorbed. Do not swallow any spit produced. Keep that under the tongue / pouch it next to the lower gums as much as is humanly possible for the 30 minutes or so to let any actives in it absorb then you can swallow it.

 

[pandahaze]

how is the right way to take the blotters anyway? read somewhere it doesent work if you swallow the blotters, the first time i had the blotter up under my gums, buccally, but swallowed my spit every once, the secound time i dident swallow anything and just had alot of spit in my mouth for a little more than a hour and spat everything out...

Just 20 minutes (non-complexed blotter) on upper gums without swallowing spit worked wonders for me.

 

[weadazoid]

Wait, you're saying you didn't feel MDMA shortly after taking 25I? Are you a frequent roller, when was the last time you rolled? Or are you actually suggesting there's cross tolerance between 25I and MDMA?

Sorry you misunderstood me..... 25I reminds me alot of MDMA or at least the designers I used to take in the 90's that depleated seratonin back then I tried to take one of those designers one on top of another with only days to recover and it didn't go so well



I used to roll alot so did my wife


while 25I was far more visual then the designers I used to take and far more potent at just 1mg or one full dose the general awsome feeling of freindlyness, energy, and warm happyness were the same.



but oddly enough I didn't feel all grumbly the next day

 

[Solipsis]

Well I must say I am impressed by the number of times this compound is praised for being euphoric or MDMA-like.

Although everyone interested in exploiting this feature should realize that they are also committing themselves to the other side of the contract, and deal with the psychedelia.

 

[weadazoid]

YUP.....

it is a mix, back in the day this is everything I imagined 'nexus' would be.


the one time I did nexus it wasn't as good as 1mg of 25I


but not to be triffled with 1mg looks like nothing hell 9 mg's looks like nothing really well................... it looks like something but compared to other illicits it don't look like much




when I compare it to E realize I am in no way a good comparison to the E of today, I had access to great designers back in the early 90's. These were not pressed pills these were gelcaps made by pharm student who really loved giving me and my freinds a good supply of different batches with instructions.


But look whatever it was I rolled pretty hard back then never stopped danceing at the ware house parties immersed in the music ... I was hard core hardstepper

 

[CannaChris]

I actually experienced hat every time i tripped. Especially the strong feeling to clench and release my hands. I would also clench down on my jaw as did with my hands. it usually happened right after the comeup. Which always hit me hard. It was like, minor visual distorion, nausia, tension, and then bam, a decent trip the rest of the night. I've actually been thinking about making my own batch, but im doing some heavy research before i do. I usually get it from a good friend of mine who makes it, but after readon so many post on here, I think i want to try making it my self. I noticed people saying if they added alcohol to the solution thats' what make the comeup so fast. I've also noticed a lot of people saying that 25c is just as great and you don't get any bodyloads. Im probably going to make a post on here to see what ways to go about all this. Despite the tension and minor nausia i have had nothing but amazing experiences on it and the person who i buy it from just kind of fell of the planet for a while and I've really been wanting to trip.

 

[pandahaze]

So I took half a tab yesterday. (1200ug 25I - non complexed) I've already posted the one tab trip report;

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/646647-The-Big-amp-Dandy-25I-NBOMe-Thread-(3rd-edition)?p=11121359&viewfull=1#post11121359

Lasted around 7 hours, just like the previous one. So I think half or not, it doesn't affect the duration, at least for me. But the effects were much more different from the first one.

OEVs were minimum, just soft edges and pastel tones.
There weren't any focusing problems.
I didn't have any mindfuck unlike the whole tab. On the contrary I was unusually sharp.
CEVs lacked color, but when I closed my eyes I was entering sort of a dreaming state which was more fun that intense colorful CEVs. It was more like flashes of various images.

Overall, it was a very manageable and pleasant trip. Comparing the two trip, I think the blotters might not be equally laid or my dose is just between 1200 and 600. Now my main aim is to have a trip that is visually similar to the first one, but mentally closer to the second one. Do you guys think that I could achieve such state, or do I have to sacrifice in order to explode visuals?

 

[nAON]

Anyone know what the best solvent for 25i fb would be? Could convert it to HCl but would rather skip that if it will go into something like iso or acetone

 

[ConspiracyTheory]

I'm interested in trying this and have found it in blotter form with cyclodextrin. From what I have read this is supposed to increase the bioavailabilty of it. Can anyone comment on whether or not it's worth it to get it with the added cyclodextrin or should I just stick with regular form on blotter?

 

[Sepher]

^The HPBCD complexing helps buccal absorption. You'd need to keep it in for about 20mins instead of the 40mins usually recommended for none-complexed blotters. That's your only real difference. I don't know that bioavailability as such is any different, you should get the dose on the blotter whichever way I think.

 

[Survived Abortion]

Cross-posted from the 25C thread:

I don't mean to be fussy, but don't you think the poll leaves too wide a margin for each dosage category? 500-1000ug is a huge difference, and the results from that don't really mean anything at all. That could even be the difference between somebody's +1 and another person's freakout.

I think it would be better to space the dose categories a bit closer together. Something like 100-200ug, 200-350, 350-500ug, 500-650ug, 650-800ug, 850-1000ug, 1000ug + .

Also, in line what I had suggested about the Erowid-style warnings in everyone's post who mentions consumption of a dose higher than a particular agreed upon threshold, I think the poll should be aimed at what people think is a high/dangerous dose, not what people think is a good starting dose. The idea here is to find the cut-off point at which you can start making edits to people's posts to warn that their dose was too high, and to not follow their example.

Finding out what people's low starting dose is doesn't really help any of this.​

 

[Solipsis]

7+ options for a poll is a bad idea unless asking about something like a favorite psychedelic. The results would be too spreaded and it would take an unreasonable amount of answers to give good results. I'd rather not go over 5 options.

On the matter of erowid-style edits, that will probably be a new policy for us. Not sure if posts can be reported for it, probably not the best idea.

I worry that if we poll for 'cutoff doses' people will consider it a good idea to start off with that because they want to trip as hard as possible right away. Polling for starting doses seems to me to give a much more healthy suggestion. What is dangerous? Starting at a fair threshold and then carefully working your way up to your own cutoff, or starting with a consensus cutoff and not going higher? I think it would be bad if people would start too high. Titrating with every batch from an acceptable dose is the way to go isn't it?
Yes I would agree that even when titrating it is good to stop at a certain point that is considered risky to pass, unfortunately we can do only 1 poll per thread and I am not convinced we should change it. I am open to other opinions (*We are).

 

[ConspiracyTheory]

^The HPBCD complexing helps buccal absorption. You'd need to keep it in for about 20mins instead of the 40mins usually recommended for none-complexed blotters. That's your only real difference. I don't know that bioavailability as such is any different, you should get the dose on the blotter whichever way I think.

Ok, thanks for the info.

 

[Solipsis]

Even if bioavailability is the same, speed of absorption seems to be a contributing factor to intensity of effects. This may be a result of acute onset tolerance, which IMO makes sense because superpotent drugs seem to be more typical to cause this (e.g. lots of synthetic cannabinoids, fentanyl, ...). So even if the effective dose remains the same there is still something to be benefited from enhanced absorption by complexing.

 

[Survived Abortion]

7+ options for a poll is a bad idea unless asking about something like a favorite psychedelic. The results would be too spreaded and it would take an unreasonable amount of answers to give good results. I'd rather not go over 5 options.

On the matter of erowid-style edits, that will probably be a new policy for us. Not sure if posts can be reported for it, probably not the best idea.

I worry that if we poll for 'cutoff doses' people will consider it a good idea to start off with that because they want to trip as hard as possible right away. Polling for starting doses seems to me to give a much more healthy suggestion. What is dangerous? Starting at a fair threshold and then carefully working your way up to your own cutoff, or starting with a consensus cutoff and not going higher? I think it would be bad if people would start too high. Titrating with every batch from an acceptable dose is the way to go isn't it?
Yes I would agree that even when titrating it is good to stop at a certain point that is considered risky to pass, unfortunately we can do only 1 poll per thread and I am not convinced we should change it. I am open to other opinions (*We are).

I don't know if I'm not communicating myself to you correctly, but you still seem to be missing the very crucial point that the editing of posts to apply public warnings will be in response to the reportage of an unacceptably high dose. How can we know what is an unacceptably high dose unless we have some public consensus about it? Knowing what people consider to be a good starting dose to titrate up from tells us utterly nothing about what people consider to be a dangerous dose.

There seems to be some breakdown in logic here. We already know people should be titrating their doses up from threshold; that is an entirely separate issue from the one we're trying to address here. We need to know how to screen the posts to be edited, (not how to make recommendations for the best starting dose), and to do that we need to get a feel for the lowest common denominator of dosage that people have found to be scary/dangerous/too much.

Making a poll about what people have found to be an overwhelming dose doesn't mean that people are going to start going out and dosing at that dose. I'm sure people on here can read the poll title.

EDIT

I'd just like to add this, to further illustrate my point: Currently, 72% of people think that 500-1000ug is a good STARTING DOSE. Does that mean that everyone should go out and start titrating from 1mg upwards. Of course not, because that dose may already be way too much for some people to handle. In fact, the way the poll is at the moment, it may actually be more harmful, because you will have lots of people thinking that it is safe to start at a particular dose, when it may very well not be. People should be starting low regardless of what other people say.

This tells us nothing about what we need to know. Please scrap this poll and start again.

 

[Solipsis]

To answer your question about how we are supposed to know when to edit posts to add warnings, in the end that remains a matter of judgment but I agree that a guideline helps. For that I am not so much interested in the average dose people answer in a poll as I am in the lowest dose we can find reports on that people have gotten unacceptable side effects on. So not just vasoconstriction but worrisome symptoms or signs that should worry us.

At the same time I do agree that people seem to have answered irresponsibly and it does defeat the purpose. Changing the poll might help giving us data for a better purpose actually, but I'm not going to change it until this is double checked - I don't wanna keep on going by trial and error.