Xorkoth
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Yeah, AL-LAD is less potent by weight than 1p or ETH-LAD, in my experience.
Lysergamides The Big & Dandy 1P-LSD Thread - Volume 2
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appreciate the response. it seemed that way to me as well. but i wasn't sure if it was just a general lysergamide tolerance i was building or not. also the AL seems to build a tolerance quickly. we find ourselves having to press the dosage in order to achieve desirable results anymore. we are pretty much in the category of well... "it wasnt scary or a breakthrough so we definitely need to try more"
I had a 350ug trip with 1p yesterday, and figured I'd write down some feelings and a rough trip report, since it was kind of enlightening personally.
Dropped everything at noon on an almost empty stomach an hour after a very light breakfast.
+1:00: Things are coming up pretty fast. High color saturation, slight visual distortions etc.
+2:00: Listening to music. Starting to get really weird ideas about things. I feel like there's some sort of external force that wants to love me, but rather than seeming nice it just seems really fake and a little sinister. It never really went into bad trip territory, just felt really annoying. This went on for probably about two hours while I pondered on what my brain is trying to actually tell me.
+4:00 Fully up and the mental confusion is receding a bit. I'll note at this point that I'm completely unable to have novel visuals, so CEV are not really there at all, and OEV is just higher amounts of visual distortion and synesthesia to some extent. I'm having trouble seeing where things are and their shapes properly at times. The clearest I noticed this is when I poured water from a bottle into a pint glass, and while I could clearly see the water was going into the glass constantly, the mouth of the glass alternatively seemed larger than my entire field of view and smaller than a pinhole somehow. Also standing in the balcony smoking caused some vertigo because I had trouble gauging what distance things were outside. I also start feeling like I'm listening to music through my fingertips and all kinds of weird sensory distortions like that. Pretty much par for the course for the dosage though.
At this point I started thinking about what I'm looking for with psychedelics. I used to be really depressed and angry when I was young, and the depression kind of deepened to a point where I was barely able to take care of myself. One day when I was particularly low I understood that something has to change or I'd probably off myself. Something just snapped back then and I've barely even had a sad or angry thought in my life since then.
I was kind of pondering this and realized that I kind of lucked out on fixing whatever it is that was wrong with my mind back then without any drugs or outside help, and I might not really get that much out of psychedelics apart from entertainment value. I'm not entirely sure if I'm going to keep using them or not. Not regularly anyway.
I didn't really do much of note except listen to music and think about things for several hours.
+10:00 Still way higher than I'd expected from the dose, but definitely on the downslope. I eat some sausages and have a few beers, and slowly come down over the next four hours or so. No problems sleeping at +18 or so.
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Overall the trip was instructive because it kind of made me understand that I already changed my life for the better once, and I never really understood that before now. It also made me question whether I really have anything much to gain from psychedelics. I'm still not sure I have the answer to that.
Dropped everything at noon on an almost empty stomach an hour after a very light breakfast.
+1:00: Things are coming up pretty fast. High color saturation, slight visual distortions etc.
+2:00: Listening to music. Starting to get really weird ideas about things. I feel like there's some sort of external force that wants to love me, but rather than seeming nice it just seems really fake and a little sinister. It never really went into bad trip territory, just felt really annoying. This went on for probably about two hours while I pondered on what my brain is trying to actually tell me.
+4:00 Fully up and the mental confusion is receding a bit. I'll note at this point that I'm completely unable to have novel visuals, so CEV are not really there at all, and OEV is just higher amounts of visual distortion and synesthesia to some extent. I'm having trouble seeing where things are and their shapes properly at times. The clearest I noticed this is when I poured water from a bottle into a pint glass, and while I could clearly see the water was going into the glass constantly, the mouth of the glass alternatively seemed larger than my entire field of view and smaller than a pinhole somehow. Also standing in the balcony smoking caused some vertigo because I had trouble gauging what distance things were outside. I also start feeling like I'm listening to music through my fingertips and all kinds of weird sensory distortions like that. Pretty much par for the course for the dosage though.
At this point I started thinking about what I'm looking for with psychedelics. I used to be really depressed and angry when I was young, and the depression kind of deepened to a point where I was barely able to take care of myself. One day when I was particularly low I understood that something has to change or I'd probably off myself. Something just snapped back then and I've barely even had a sad or angry thought in my life since then.
I was kind of pondering this and realized that I kind of lucked out on fixing whatever it is that was wrong with my mind back then without any drugs or outside help, and I might not really get that much out of psychedelics apart from entertainment value. I'm not entirely sure if I'm going to keep using them or not. Not regularly anyway.
I didn't really do much of note except listen to music and think about things for several hours.
+10:00 Still way higher than I'd expected from the dose, but definitely on the downslope. I eat some sausages and have a few beers, and slowly come down over the next four hours or so. No problems sleeping at +18 or so.
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Overall the trip was instructive because it kind of made me understand that I already changed my life for the better once, and I never really understood that before now. It also made me question whether I really have anything much to gain from psychedelics. I'm still not sure I have the answer to that.
rave23
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I have arrived at the decision that 1p-lsd is much more abrasive than eth-lad or al-lad.
It's a bottomless pit in comparison with the immediately disarming and surrendering nature of eth-lad.
200 mcg of this had me in a twisted existential crisis that 450 mcg of eth-lad didn't bring on.
The come-up of a 200mcg dose triggers strong muscle tension and release, that culminates in what I like to call "muscle quakes", that are shivers on steroids. You get the urge do do jumping Jacks and stretch, and when you stretch you feel like you stretch further than you ever stretched before, and it hurts in a painful but pleasant way.
1p-lsd got uncomfortable and unpleasant at times, which is much closer to real LSD, it has a depth that is lacking from eth-lad and al-lad, at the cost of a much more serious nature.
It's a bottomless pit in comparison with the immediately disarming and surrendering nature of eth-lad.
200 mcg of this had me in a twisted existential crisis that 450 mcg of eth-lad didn't bring on.
The come-up of a 200mcg dose triggers strong muscle tension and release, that culminates in what I like to call "muscle quakes", that are shivers on steroids. You get the urge do do jumping Jacks and stretch, and when you stretch you feel like you stretch further than you ever stretched before, and it hurts in a painful but pleasant way.
1p-lsd got uncomfortable and unpleasant at times, which is much closer to real LSD, it has a depth that is lacking from eth-lad and al-lad, at the cost of a much more serious nature.
Thomas Davie
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Had a very pleasant and unexpectedly strong trip on 100 ug, which is just slowly trailing off after 9 hours. Hadn't tripped since December 27th and honestly wasn't expecting much since I've been taking this about 2-3 times a month since July. When I dropped, I had been awake for ~11 hours; a normal start to end of work day for me. 2 strong ales on board, and somewhat unusually a rather piggishly large sandwich of double creme brie. I mention the food because others have noted some odd potentiation depending on what and when you've eaten.
OEV's were prominent and I found that really odd since it's typically only been mushrooms that ever did that for me. The colour spectrum which has always been bright neon or florescent blue was more of an olive drab which I didn't care for. It became extremely difficult to walk because every object that I bumped into would leave little trails of blue diamondy sparkles. These sparkles would collect into deep pools that would just go on for ever and ever. It was a completely immersive and very repetitive experience and the only time I've experienced looping on 1P-LSD; again something I've only had from mushrooms so far. A very small taste of what forever feels like.
That having been said, I've dropped 200 ug of this with minimal effects before....so....surprising. I've got no desire to go deeper with this compound, and don't think I'll ever go above 200 ug.
Tom
OEV's were prominent and I found that really odd since it's typically only been mushrooms that ever did that for me. The colour spectrum which has always been bright neon or florescent blue was more of an olive drab which I didn't care for. It became extremely difficult to walk because every object that I bumped into would leave little trails of blue diamondy sparkles. These sparkles would collect into deep pools that would just go on for ever and ever. It was a completely immersive and very repetitive experience and the only time I've experienced looping on 1P-LSD; again something I've only had from mushrooms so far. A very small taste of what forever feels like.
That having been said, I've dropped 200 ug of this with minimal effects before....so....surprising. I've got no desire to go deeper with this compound, and don't think I'll ever go above 200 ug.
Tom
Seph
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There definitively is something about enzymes going on as I've also experienced the effects of eating prior to the trip in comparison to not and I find that eating really gets it going if it's about a half hour before.
Bigazznugz
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100% agree that enzymes play a role with 1p. Food with out a doubt brings the trip back on. But still 1p is very lackluster at least at 250ugs for me. I cant say the same with ald-52 all trails within that on a empty stomach works as good as real lucy. Aceytl chains are very easy to cleve off.
Seph
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The way you said about food there was as if when you've already dosed you eat n it boosts the trip if that's what you meant try eating before even dosing I find it works much better
Thomas Davie
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Seph; not sure if this was to me or not, but anyways.....
I did eat ~30-45 minutes before dosing which is, for me unusual. Also I'm not sure if this was because of eating or not, but this is the first time that a Lysergamide hasn't felt speedy to me. No strung out feeling which lasted for hours, but just a slow ride back to baseline.
Tom
pretty amazing about the sparkles and looping on a 100mcg dose. i wish i could go that low on ANY lysergamide and get visual response. i wonder if there was some sort of synergistic effect going on with something you ate. you arent on any medications or anything that could have influenced it besides the food? unusual. im starting to see a pattern of a people not liking this one as much as the other two.
Thomas Davie
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Yup, here's a list of the meds I'm on, the medical condition for which is kidney failure (I have really weird potassium and phosphate imbalances);
beta blocker
calcium channel blocker
smooth muscle relaxer
anti hyperlipidemic
I always take my meds at least an hour before dosing so that if I vomit I've still got my desired meds inside of me. Couldn't guarantee this, but I've read somewhere that beta blockers have mild anti anxiety effects.
So yeah, my meds are affecting something. From my mushroom use, I definitely think that the beta blockers help with chills and shakes.
Tom
Are the "muscle quakes" you describe common with LSD and other lysergamides? I get them pretty much every time I take a decent dose of LSD and I really hate writhing around on the floor for 3 or 4 hours confused about whether I'm in pain or pleasure with my stretches. Is there any way to get rid of this symptom? It makes me -very- hesitant to take L as often as I would like to, due to the discomfort and awkwardness of having to find somewhere to writhe and shake while I'm coming up.
Peacephrog1972
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Chelated magnesium should help with that
eddy knarf
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Specifically the magnesium taurate complex!
eddy knarf
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It's difficult for the body to take up Mg, so normally one has to take the supplement daily for some time
I used to have a similar issue on LSD trips - muscle tremors, sometimes even downright cramps, and I've learned to accept it. At the time, as my LSD use was just starting, I was drinking quite heavily and almost daily, and my diet was poor. I thought nothing of it back then.
A couple of years later, I don't really enjoy alcohol anymore, hence rarely use it. My diet is still not the best, but I use vitamin and mineral supplements daily. Quite a broad spectrum of them - pretty much the vitamin alphabet
The reason I mention all this - I completely stopped experiencing tremors on LSD and other lysergamides. Whereas I sometimes used to find myself a shaking, jerking mess while tripping, nowadays, I don't get even the slightest twitch. I am inclined to believe that, back when I used to get tremors, I was suffering from a vitamin and/or mineral deficiency, as heavy alcohol consumption is known to deplete vitamin stores in the body - particularly the B vitamins, which are crucial in ensuring healthy functioning of the CNS.
I'm not saying this is in any way related to your case. Just throwing it out there, since your post reminded me of it. LSD tremors are an interesting topic - clearly, they are "a thing", and many people report them, but at the same time we don't really have a good understanding of why they happen.
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Itsgoneundertheboa
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Agree I started at 25ug very little just minor stimulation and trouble sleeping + 6 hrs
50ug 3 weeks later some effect but had to introduce weed and alcohol. Came in waves baseline to minor distortion. Pleasant but also frustration not to have a full experience. But definitely active and more thought pattern activation with further issues sleeping at + 10 hrs.
100ug next dose when the sun finally shines and I can enjoy it with nature
Thomas Davie
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After trying this compound ~20 times I've arrived at the following personal conclusions, which may or may not be extensible to anyone else.
1) Weed can really amp up the effect, ease the come up and make the whole trip a slow gentle ride.
2) To completely reset my tolerance to baseline takes about 2-3 weeks
3) Food and/or one's digestive metabolism seem to play an important part in how strong the trip may become. Whether it's before or after dosing, a complex meal, one that is fatty....can't figure out the specifics
At one point I thought that some of it's individual activity (or lack thereof) in different people was due to brain esterase activities and potential transport across the BBB of the unhydrolysed molecule - but a couple of weeks of literature searching gave me a headache and I gave up. I also thought that liver N-acetyltransferase (or propionyltransferases)might play a role and could possibly explain why someone gets bugger all of an effect on 100 ug while someone else trips balls....if you believe the pro drug theory.
But screw it; I gave up trying to figure out why this does and doesn't work on me at different times. It mostly works, the come down isn't bad other than some occasionally unwanted mental stimulation and I feel normal within 20 hours.
Tom
1) Weed can really amp up the effect, ease the come up and make the whole trip a slow gentle ride.
2) To completely reset my tolerance to baseline takes about 2-3 weeks
3) Food and/or one's digestive metabolism seem to play an important part in how strong the trip may become. Whether it's before or after dosing, a complex meal, one that is fatty....can't figure out the specifics
At one point I thought that some of it's individual activity (or lack thereof) in different people was due to brain esterase activities and potential transport across the BBB of the unhydrolysed molecule - but a couple of weeks of literature searching gave me a headache and I gave up. I also thought that liver N-acetyltransferase (or propionyltransferases)might play a role and could possibly explain why someone gets bugger all of an effect on 100 ug while someone else trips balls....if you believe the pro drug theory.
But screw it; I gave up trying to figure out why this does and doesn't work on me at different times. It mostly works, the come down isn't bad other than some occasionally unwanted mental stimulation and I feel normal within 20 hours.
Tom
Is the prodrug thing still in question? I saw Nichols noting that it definitely is one, and the human serum study backed that up. Only thing they haven't tested is actually in vivo, but it seems like there shouldn't be any ambiguity about it at this point. Also on a personal note I can't tell the difference between 1P and L at all, although that's just a personal anecdote, not real data.