The Big and Dandy Ketamine Thread (Next iteration)

[narutokun19]

does anyone know if k quality got weaker or what not compared to about 5 years ago? because I have a friend who says k like 5+ years ago was much stronger and way cheaper. She told me that k lines back in the days were only half the line sizes of what she does and she was able to achieve khole with only like half a line.. I mean she used to get it in vials and we still do get it in vials I mean vial = pharm grade right? so shouldn't it all be the same then if its a sealed vial?

man I used to get the feelings where the bed spins around in space and flys off.. how come i don't get that feeling or effect anymore? .. so mostly all racemic k sealed vial should produce somewhat of a similiar k hole trip experience?

Sound like your friend is in denial about TOLERANCE.

 

[NextLineIsMine]

How does one maximize the use of powdered Ketamine?

I got my first bag of K, I plan this to be a one time thing as well. I tried a sample a few days ago, I had about 2 inch long lines the width of a phone chord, from what I guesstimated the dose as it was enough to get a strong experience but I was underwhelmed, just felt like being really drunk and stoned. I have what should be another 200 mg, which intranasally should be enough to k-hole for a first timer. Anything I could do better to maximize it? I had quite a bit of drippage, is that mean what ever drips becomes an oral dose (i.e. not enough)? Should I do it in small bumps give it time to absorb then do the next bump? Advice would be very appreciated.

On a side note I do have a good diabetic friend who mightnt loan me his needle, could I use it for an I.M.? Id prefer to use it nasally though. Sorry to inundate you with questions.

 

[Carsick]

I've only managed to hole a few times with just k, and that was with pretty serious doses. I've practiced pretty hard, but just can't get the hang of holing without either alcohol or mdma as well.
Most people recommend against mixing with alcohol, of course. It takes practice to get that right without throwing up or just falling over a lot.

 

[Xorkoth]

Merged in a thread about maximizing powdered ketamine.

I do not recommend mixing alcohol and K at all... I can't see that making it more psychedelic, just more dangerous. MDMA and K is supposed to be a good combination. I find that mixing a 2C-X such as 2C-I (or 2C-B being the best combination) will make the experience more psychedelic and easier to remember.

My guess is you just didn't use enough to get full effects... if you don't have enough it's not going to be psychedelic... I don't really like lower doses of it.

You could try doing small bumps of like 20mg, one per nostril, wait a minute, then do more, and keep that up until the dose is done. That way you will absorb more of it. If you do it all at once, some will drip into your stomach without being absorbed in your nostrils. It works in the stomach, but the dose required is much higher so it will basically be a waste of material.

 

[KinkyKetter]

I got my first bag of K, I plan this to be a one time thing as well. I tried a sample a few days ago, I had about 2 inch long lines the width of a phone chord, from what I guesstimated the dose as it was enough to get a strong experience but I was underwhelmed, just felt like being really drunk and stoned. I have what should be another 200 mg, which intranasally should be enough to k-hole for a first timer. Anything I could do better to maximize it? I had quite a bit of drippage, is that mean what ever drips becomes an oral dose (i.e. not enough)? Should I do it in small bumps give it time to absorb then do the next bump? Advice would be very appreciated.

On a side note I do have a good diabetic friend who mightnt loan me his needle, could I use it for an I.M.? Id prefer to use it nasally though. Sorry to inundate you with questions.

That’s a decent amount, you should have experienced more. Try using in a dark room and lying down after you dose. A little at a time maybe more efficient but depending what type of ketamine you have it may not last long enough to get where you want for any reasonable amount of time. Plus if you inexperienced it’ll be hard to take another bump when you’re on the verge of where you want to be.

I've only managed to hole a few times with just k, and that was with pretty serious doses. I've practiced pretty hard, but just can't get the hang of holing without either alcohol or mdma as well.
Most people recommend against mixing with alcohol, of course. It takes practice to get that right without throwing up or just falling over a lot.

Careful with K and alcohol. It’s very unstable and unpredictable even when compared to alcohol and other drugs. One of the most I’ve ever been fucked up was from less than a 200mg of K insufflated, 2-3 shots of alcohol, and a couple small tokes of marijuana. At the time I could handle 200mg of K via IM if I wanted to if used alone, 20+ shots of alcohol, and normal regular user tolerance of marijuana but for whatever reason it kicked my ass. I’ve done that practice 20x and 18x I’ve been fine but 2x I was in total hell for nearly 5 hours! Doses weren’t necessarily higher and the conditions weren’t really different. As for my friends about 7/10 can’t mix it with alcohol at all. It’s not that they throw up but just get wayyy too fucked up. Even with tiny amounts of alcohol.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yes, I forgot to mention also that lying down with eyes closed in a dark room by yourself is a must. If you're in a social setting, you'll probably never K-hole. And if you're not lying down in a meditative sort of state, it will be much harder to happen. You have to work with it. Also, when you lie down and close your eyes, the too-drunk, dizzy, weird feeling goes away.

 

[Carsick]

Careful with K and alcohol. It’s very unstable and unpredictable even when compared to alcohol and other drugs.

I agree, that's why I commented that it's not an advised combination. I have a great deal of experience with it and it still surprises me now and then.

 

[Jabberwocky]

alcohol + ketamine is a dangerous combination if the doses become excessive (not to mention that you're not the best judge of what is and is not excessive if you're really fucked up), but apart from that it just feels real shitty. Yuck it makes me feel like puking just thinking about the feeling of that combination.

 

[clash888]

Ketamine and tolerance

So, a while back i got my hands on a gram of ketamine, and proceeded to do most of it in 3 days or so. The day after my K ran out, i got 125mg of MDMA powder, my usual dose, and snorted half of it. Immediately i was rolling harder than id ever rolled, i couldnt finish the second half of the molly. I have read that DXM can reverse tolerance effects of some drugs. Would this also apply to other dissociatives such as Ketamine, or even nitrous oxide? What doses of K or nitrous would be needed to produce this effect?

 

[Jabberwocky]

I don't think so. Although on the other end of the spectrum ketamine tolerance has been pretty much permanent for me. I've used spaced out by 2-3 months and my tolerance never goes down...its just slowly rising each time I use.

Kinda worries me that I'm slowly muddling up my NMDA receptors (very important for learning/memory).

 

[Carsick]

There are some anecdotal reports that ketamine can help reduce the after effects of other drugs, mdma the most talked about.
In particular reducing the longer part of the come down and reducing tolerance. I've also noticed I need less mdma when I've been using k.

 

[MeDieViL]

NMDA antagonists have been shown to prevent a tolerance to many drugs, i beleive it could very well be possible that i even reverses a tolerance

 

[Jabberwocky]

Ketamine may also have neuroprotective effects but I think that is primarily during the peak of its action?

Jamshyd can probably help out with the details here.

 

[Black]

alcohol + ketamine is a dangerous combination if the doses become excessive (not to mention that you're not the best judge of what is and is not excessive if you're really fucked up), but apart from that it just feels real shitty. Yuck it makes me feel like puking just thinking about the feeling of that combination.

lately we got some ketamine sold as speed. my friend who had drunk (3 drinks) that night was puking for over an hour. needless to say it was not in any way a nice experience for him. i was quite glad for not having had alcohol that night.

 

[Okonomi]

The tolerance thing is definitely problematic. At the moment I'm trying to come up with a strategy for 'healthy' Ketamine usage. My initial concept was to partake once a week, but that seems just too frequent to be good for you.

So I'm considering every two weeks, about 200mg, preferably IM, or insufflated depending on the situation - pre-arranged amounts and no bingeing. Although access is quite easy, I don't have that compulsion to keep using till it's all gone, although I got a taste of the seductiveness in my honeymoon period with K, when I went through nearly a gram a week for 4 or 5 months. That ended a few months ago, and I'm hoping that I haven't permanently blown my tolerance.

I do feel that Ketamine has a lot to offer beyond simple recreation. I had some remarkable revelations in my earliest forays, and I hope not to lose access to those realms by overdoing it now. I'm not sure that a safe level of usage could even be determined - I doubt even Jansen knows.

I notice even in small amounts Ketamine dramatically reduces my desire for alcohol - not sure how that operates but it's quite a marked effect.

 

[NextLineIsMine]

Yes, I forgot to mention also that lying down with eyes closed in a dark room by yourself is a must. If you're in a social setting, you'll probably never K-hole. And if you're not lying down in a meditative sort of state, it will be much harder to happen. You have to work with it. Also, when you lie down and close your eyes, the too-drunk, dizzy, weird feeling goes away.

Wow you guessed it I was in a quite lively social setting, Ill give the meditative approach a try. My lord this site is ridiculously helpful sometimes.

 

[whoisrhp]

hey guys Im not sure if this is the right section of the forum to ask this question but about 2 years ago I used to do alot of e and k together.. I can't remember when the best time to do e and k together as a combo?

Can someone post some feedbacks on when the best timing to take each substance? I know or rather I plan to double drop 2 e' tabs then double drop again probablly within another hour. Or I might just start off with 1 e tab and then wait 1 hour and drop another one I have to see how strong and potent and how well i react with e since I haven't rolled in along time.

I know that k usually takes about 5 mins before it hits your body when insuflatted.

So my question is would it be better to take some bumps of k before i peak, while i peak or after I peak from a roll? I know that when you take k alot of people when I used to do the combo said it bring backs your roll.

Im thinking about dropping then waiting about 30 - 45 mins then take a bump of k so i can' experience both peaks at around the same time?

But I know that some people say that if you do k first because the peak is so intense and high that you waste your roll? and that you won't peak from the e? Can anyone post feedback on your experiences? thanks

 

[vortex30]

Do it on the comedown. Ketamine will over power the effects of most drugs, definitely MDMA. It helps ease the comedown and you get more fucked off it on the comedown, so that's my suggestion.

 

[diche]

I used to combo the two all the time back in high school...

usually k will ruin, so to say, ur peak on MDMA. but a plus was that even on the the shittiest, speediest pills, k would ease the come down and give some wild hallucinations and enable me to sleep arround 8 hours after dropping. which, as some can relate, is impossible, especially with XTC pills.

 

[shores]

yea i agree with diche, & vortex30 I aways loved doing k on my cum down of roll'n (mdma) it deff. takes the edge off.