Opioids The Big and Dandy Fentanyl Analogues Thread - Acetylfentanyl / Butyrfentanyl

[lolwhatzdrugs]

I have butyr-fentanyl hcl powder, can I vaporize it off foil? I have used it 15mg intranasally and that dose works well. I just want to know if the hcl will smoke off foil and be effective. If so, should I keep the dose the same or decrease? Thanks

EDIT: So I tried vaporizing it and whoa..I don't know if it's a "rush" (wasn't very euphoric) but I got really dizzy and just had to lay down. It felt very strong especially for just 2 inhales. That was my first time "chasing the dragon". Please be very careful with these fent analogues bc even though they aren't AS potent, they're still very fucking strong. And the fact that the high is very short lived makes you want to redose constantly. If you can still get high with hydrocodone, you have no business fucking with these.

No.

Dissolve it in a tiny bit of distilled white vinegar (unless it really is hcl then just dissolve it in water) and plug it.

 

[DaleEarnhardt]

No.

Dissolve it in a tiny bit of distilled white vinegar (unless it really is hcl then just dissolve it in water) and plug it.

can't stress enough how dangerous it is to plug RC opioids. please invest in a goooooood scale ($200+), believe me its worth your life. If you have the funds and knowhow to buy a fent analogue, you should be spending equal amounts on scale, and maybe a reagent if any of them can test for these.

 

[The Tripp]

Does anybody know the (aprox) dosage if you want to use it oral?

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

can't stress enough how dangerous it is to plug RC opioids. please invest in a goooooood scale ($200+), believe me its worth your life. If you have the funds and knowhow to buy a fent analogue, you should be spending equal amounts on scale, and maybe a reagent if any of them can test for these.

Honestly I would advise people to save their money and not even buy them in the first place. Moreish garbage is a good description.

 

[Erikmen]

I say don't be inventive on Fentanyl.
Everyone has a different tolerance while Fent. can cause serious breathing problems in between rushes..

 

[tacodude]

Are there any interactions between fentanyl analogs and weaker opiates like morphine/hydromorphone. Could the fentanyl block the weaker opiates when used together making the morphine /hydromorphone used a waste?

Edit : anyone with experience mixing both into a shot?

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

Are there any interactions between fentanyl analogs and weaker opiates like morphine/hydromorphone. Could the fentanyl block the weaker opiates when used together making the morphine /hydromorphone used a waste?

Edit : anyone with experience mixing both into a shot?

Probably won't be posting because they're dead.

Yeah... it's telling that your worry is a fentanyl analogue blocking a "weaker opioid" like fucking HYDROMORPHONE*, when you are injecting both of them.

Don't be irresponsible, don't mix them, and don't inject any of these. It's respiratory depression is profound compared to other opioids. And it's therapeutic index quite small (ratio between dose that is effective and one that is lethal). Fentanyl is also used intravenously as a anesthetic. It's likely you will add more chasing that high and someone will find your cold body with a needle in your arm.

*This is NOT a weaker opioid. Among the commonly prescribed opiates (morphine/codeine) and semi-synthetics the only one stronger is oxymorphone. Especially when IVed.

 

[tacodude]

Such concerns has to do with street dope, which could be cut causing interaction concerns. Just looking into all possibilities... I think combining them both for a stronger effect is a stupid idea even with responsible dosing

Edit : You also didn't have to be a dick. IMO morphine and hydromorphone are weaker in comparison of how they bind to the receptors.

 

[catzman]

Question for anyone who may be able to help ; a friend of mine recently was prescribed Fetenyl 25 mcg gel patches and he called to ask me but I really didnt know cause the patches I get are not the gel ..... but his question was that when he went to change his patch on the 72 hr time frame , he noticed there was still some liquid(gel) in the pouch .... Is that still medication that was not absorbed ? If it is , would it be unsafe to chew it ? or even possible inject it ? I HIGHLY didn't recommend IV ing it .... but if I know him , he'll try one or the other and would like to give him some advice to minimize any severe damage .... anyone have knowledge for me to pass along ???
Me, I would assume if he's worn it the 72 hrs already , most the drug is gone but if so what is the fluid(gel) left in the pouch/patch ?????

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

Such concerns has to do with street dope, which could be cut causing interaction concerns. Just looking into all possibilities... I think combining them both for a stronger effect is a stupid idea even with responsible dosing

Edit : You also didn't have to be a dick. IMO morphine and hydromorphone are weaker in comparison of how they bind to the receptors.

Yeah, I did.

You posed a question which made you look naive, when dealing with such a powerful substance.

And no, butyr fentanyl is strong, but not THAT strong (in relation to hydromorphone IVed, it's still a very powerful substance). It's danger lies in the lack of euphoria in comparison to those substances, and the profound respiratory depression produced even at lower doses, as I said, Fentanyl is used as an anesthetic, almost every other opioid is not.

And looking back, I never called you a moron, or made a personal attack.

I think combining them both for a stronger effect is a stupid idea even with responsible dosing

Your post implied that you were intending to inject a combination of those substances and wanted to make sure it was as strong as possible. Go read it again.

Writing as forcefully as I can to respond to such propositions could possibly save someones life, and was written in a way that left no room for doubt about how I (and most people familiar with these substances), feel and how doing such a thing should be treated. I am not about to apologize for trying to attempt to do such a thing (save someones life) by penning a warning that left no room for ambiguity.

 

[hydr0m0rph]

I have procured 1g Acetyl-Fent freebase, and 1g Butyr-Fent HCl. I dont use needles, but im a bit confused even after reading this whole thread, because seems like some people are smoking the HCl off of foil? my understanding is that this is only possible with freebase? this is my preferred ROA, so im wondering is it possible to prepare the HCl for smoking from foil? the HCl would generally be better suited to insufflation right?
also, i dont intend to use all this substance, as i am a former H addict (10 years) and happily stabilized on 2mg/24hr buprenorphine. would i need to abstain from the bupe for more than 24 hours in order to feel this chemical?
thx for any info

 

[gentandscholar]

Hi everyone,
I'm new to the site although I have been reading it for years. I figured I would post this here as opposed to creating a new thread.

A friend of mine is considering placing an order in a darknet market site for 25 mg or 50 mg of pure fentanyl powder. I'm not sure if this is the best idea but we did discuss it a bit and we are both in agreement that the safest way to use this would be to create a solution.

Diluted to a solution of 1 mg/1 ml would make it easy to measure exact amounts and thus ensure safer usage. Some solutions are actually advertised there, too, but they are very overpriced. The pure substance is much cheaper although I think it may be worth paying extra for a first buy. We both have experience with the substance in patch form but not in this form.

Here is my concern: creating a sterile solution. Realistically a solution this potent will last at least a few weeks. I am pretty sure that bacteria could grow in it. What is the best way to circumvent this? Should distilled water be used? A sterile saline solution? Should it be kept in the refrigerator? Maybe filtered with a wheel filter (only if IVing)? I personally think he should just get a saline nasal spray and dissolve it in there and forgo IV but that's just my opinion.

Any input is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

[tacodude]

Hi everyone,
I'm new to the site although I have been reading it for years. I figured I would post this here as opposed to creating a new thread.

A friend of mine is considering placing an order in a darknet market site for 25 mg or 50 mg of pure fentanyl powder. I'm not sure if this is the best idea but we did discuss it a bit and we are both in agreement that the safest way to use this would be to create a solution.

Diluted to a solution of 1 mg/1 ml would make it easy to measure exact amounts and thus ensure safer usage. Some solutions are actually advertised there, too, but they are very overpriced. The pure substance is much cheaper although I think it may be worth paying extra for a first buy. We both have experience with the substance in patch form but not in this form.

Here is my concern: creating a sterile solution. Realistically a solution this potent will last at least a few weeks. I am pretty sure that bacteria could grow in it. What is the best way to circumvent this? Should distilled water be used? A sterile saline solution? Should it be kept in the refrigerator? Maybe filtered with a wheel filter (only if IVing)? I personally think he should just get a saline nasal spray and dissolve it in there and forgo IV but that's just my opinion.

Any input is greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

You need benzyl alcohol and sterile water with the alcohol mixed I think at 1%-10% for a stable solution. I think 4 ml per 1 mg to make 250 mcg per ml or 25 mcg per 0.1 or ten units on a 1 ml insulin rig.

To the person above smoking HCL will work, but not well at all as you have to break the hcl free with heat probably creating temperatures enough to break down the freebase and not just vaporize it. Make a solution like the poster below you for the bf at 1 mg to 1-2 ml to have either 1 mg per ml or 500 mcg per ml. Than use appropriate amounts nasally or even plugged if you don't want to iv.

 

[vortech]

I recently made the decision, or more like mistake, of relapsing from my year-long use of suboxone to test some butyr-fentanyl after hearing how even people on high-dose suboxone are able to experience extreme euphoria not even 24 hours after their last sub dose. Well, they were right, and I had a crazy euphoric week sticking doses of butyr-fenanyl under my tongue every few hours (is sublingual a good way for bioavailability??). However, by the third day, each morning I woke up in hard withdrawal, like crippling, barely enough energy to move over and dose. within 10 minutes it was amazing how the WD disappeared and the euphoria returned. When I finally ran out, instead of getting right back on sub since I had heard sub doesn't cover the butyr-fen WD very well, I decided to switch to heroin (hey if I was gonna relapse may as well go all out right!?) So I did that for a couple days and then switched to sub. I needed 12 mg of sub to cover most of the WD. Before the relapse I had gotten myself down to 4mg. I plan on doing a rapid taper to get myself back down to 4mg so I don't run into another problem of using my script before the end of the month. Anyway that's my story. It was a nice novelty, and a releif to feel that opiate rush for the first time in over a year. Was it worth it? Not sure.

 

[hydr0m0rph]

Thanks for your honest experience. Will take that into account.. very similar to my situation

tacodude: thanks for the info

 

[vortech]

Now that my week of butyr-fentanyl use has faded into a single blurred memory of bliss, and I'm left with lingering WD- restless legs, anxiety/tension, slight depression and listlessness- even on 8mg of suboxone, and a significantly lighter wallet, I can safely say the trial was not worth it. I can't even imagine someone going on a bender without a serious taper or a suboxone/methadone parachute. Splat would be a good descriptor.

 

[gentandscholar]

Hmm... I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. My friend ordered himself a 25 mg sample... It isn't safe to just dissolve it in water and agitate the solution prior to dosing? Also, is it safe to IV a solution of fent as you described above that contains benzyl alcohol?

Thanks again

 

[5f-F|$hB0w1419]

Hello, this thread is of great interest to me. A little over a month ago I arranged to have 2grams of 4fbf in my possession, which should be here within a week or less time. From what I've read I've gathered a good starting dosage but haven't heard anything for sure, or read for sure. There haven't been many post on it, I was wondering the effects to standard fent or comparable to mid grade street dope in your opinion ( I mean good h, but not the kind that blows you out of the water, just a 20 bag for a shot kinda tolerance/ grade of it when keeping your using low). I used to have a high tolerance to good h but after a trip to Florida what's been around hasn't been the same as I left 9 out of 10 times, and I got tired of buying terrible street dope and spent the money on two grams of this. I figured it can't be worst. I'm going to try out vaporizing it off foil for a start and start low, obviously, but not quite sure as to what expect. I've read reports of it being in active in too small of doses, weaker than bf, dose wise, but an equal amount of sedation with euphoria comparable to heroin. I'm an if user but I'm not going to try that roa until I get a good smoking dosage down as I did originally when getting into h. My only real problem is I'm no longer on sub's (was6-12mg ) daily at the time of order but a situation came up and I've been clean now for 35+ days so I know my tolerance is going to b a lot lower than it was then. I know to start low, and I've handled plenty of chems in my time that required as much care so I am experienced, this isn't my first rodeo, I'm just hoping to read more info on it before it comes. Thanks for any help and if needed can pm me details of your experience with 4fbf

 

[p0ly]

I received 50mg of a-fent off a friend who I told not to get a gram off because it's very dangerous. I didn't listen to my own advice and took Methadone 30ml, unknown dose of A-fent, probably under 10mg and when I wanted to sleep eyeballed a dose of powder Alprazolam... Fucking stupid I know. I woke up a few hours later with a strange sensation, a taste, watery? It was my sick and I'd luckily thrown up face down in bed, I got up cleaned the sick off me. My family took one look at me and the sick on my bed and called an ambulance, apparently I passed out mid conversation to the paramedic who was asking me questions, it was a horrible day in the hospital. Don't mix this shit ever.

 

[Sprout]

I'm currently trying to get clean from an addiction to standard Fentanyl and have been wondering recently whether switching to one of the less potent analogues and tapering down my use is a viable idea, or whether I'm best off sticking with Morphine for such purposes? Cost is quite a big factor as I'm sure most are aware of the standard price for Fentanyl Citrate - my usage is getting ridiculous, 5,000ug/day inevitably is an expensive habit to maintain, and the equivalent half gram or so a day of Morphine isn't exactly cheap.

Anyone have any experience with this?